Elon Musk

some of the safety/assist features seem nice and I'd like them on a new car but Tesla cheaped out and dropped lidar on most of their models, right? so they don't have a premium there unless you really believe their visual-only system works

i dont think any new cars use lidar its too expensive which is why tesla doesnt either, the difference being that musk just went on promising full self driving was right around the corner anyway

As of January, according to the latest tally from BloombergNEF, 17 automakers globally have announced a total of 21 lidar-equipped passenger car models, either in production or coming soon. This number will increase as systems like GM's lidar-based Ultra Cruise are added to specific models.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/musk-looks-isolated-rivals-embrace-lidar

"announced"

also if you care about such things new cars drive really well its kind of crazy how much better they are

right and this is why I'm skeptical of the whole "self-driving" thing being a gamechanger, like what are we supposed to do just sit behind the wheel and nervously hope the autopilot doesn't drive into a playground? I like driving!! my car has a backup cam, radar cruise, and a blind spot detector. most of the annoying aspects of driving have already been made much easier.

if there was real safe level 5 driving that would be a pretty amazing advance, i mean ~40k people die every year on our roads

If self-driving tech was actually good, fuck yeah I’d use it. No amount of making a car nicer improves bumper to bumper traffic short of me having the ability to nod off.

we could use any kind of help to fix driving in FL. one person died recently when their vehicle plunged off of Toll Road 408 and landed on Interstate 4 below.

Sounds like driving is doing WAY too much. People need wages that allow them to work fewer hours and better social support systems so they're not constantly exhausted from trying to handle 3 people's worth of responsibilities and falling asleep at the wheel. And public transit options that replace bumper to bumper traffic, and affordable housing near transit with walkable commercial zones so we don't have to drive so far and so much.

Oh, we don't care about any of those things? Cool, definitely self driving cars then.

lots of people do care about those things, there may be some powerful interests arrayed against them tho

Here's Jim Chanos on why he considers $TSLA to still be the quintessential stock of this market, and why he's still betting against it, and how it's to this market cycle as $CSCO was to the dotcom bubble. https://t.co/mSMtHh7SXx pic.twitter.com/51Mlm9u7ek

— Joe Weisenthal (@TheStalwart) June 16, 2022

I would like a cruise control that keeps a maximum speed too, so you don't forget to brake enough going down a mountain and scare your passengers

not that I did this to lag∞n or anything hehe

the idea that tesla is some sort of zeitgeist future-looking stock makes sense, people just don't have a lot to pin their enthusiasm for a future on outside of riding notions and the stock roller coaster

what's weird is that when it comes to driving I'm like "cruise control, no way, I want to have my attention constantly on anticipating what's ahead and exert direct control of what I'm doing, no automated BS for me" but when it comes to investing I'm like "eww, who would buy individual stocks, just buy an index and let the market do the work"

the market can be modeled by a random walk with a forcing term, so "follow the market" works. if you model driving with a random walk you die.

the cars i drive were made in the late 80s and early 90s and have very manual controls. they also dont have air bags!

crossing my fingers that my 2006 hatchback w 210k miles makes it to 300k. the idea of car shopping in the modern era gives me hella anxiety

I love cruise control for long trips— it’s absolutely an energy saver, at least for the way I drive.

honestly would prefer to move somewhere that a car just isn’t necessary before it’s time to buy again

“i use cruise control basically every time i get on the highway hate having to keep track of whether im speeding”

can confirm the subie eyesight shit makes hiway driving much nicer. you still have to be 100% in control ime, it just means you don’t have to take your eyes off the road for speedo or wonder about how fast you’re going. you wont go over x mph, if the cars afore you slow down, so do you, and if they speed up, so will you, but not over x mph. You can just steer and navigate traffic and brake when you need to do. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I don’t like the steering thing that bumps you inside the road lines so i turn that off.

We rented a Mazda CX-5 thing last year - sort of a crossover small SUV - to drive out to Zion

At one point on the drive home, we locked in with two other CX-5's, using the radar-guided cruise control.. so when the first car was able to speed up, the others did as well.. it was really fucking weird but kinda cool

the last trip on the interstate that I didn't use cruise control on was when I was being shady, shadowed a semi trailer in my circa 2010ish hybrid car, and managed to eke out an extra 10mpg

Hunt3r, what you describe is exactly what I’m talking about— it makes highway driving, particularly for long stretches with little congestion, an absolutely different and I think less physically taxing activity. You still have to be alert mentally and have your eyes on the road, obviously.

to divert away from cartalk for a while

Elon Musk, SpaceX and Tesla are being sued for $258 billion over claims they are part of a racketeering scheme to back the cryptocurrency Dogecoin https://t.co/HgvMaYpV7F

— Bloomberg (@business) June 16, 2022

feel like yeah, he absolutely was manipulating the price of Dogecoin for personal gain, but idk if that's technically a crime

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_and_dump

webistics

Pump and dump chump

musks doge situation def seemed very shady at the time

Everything this motherfucker touches seems shady.

im just a simple poster idk what this case needs to go forward but could be pretty interesting if it does

*to the tune of Pumps and a Bump*

Pump an-a dump/ pump an-a dump/ elon musk finna pump an-a dump

All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom
And a poom-poom, just pump and dump

Teslas Running Autopilot Involved in at Least 273 Crashes in Past Year

The new data set stems from a federal order last summer requiring automakers to report crashes involving driver assistance to assess whether the technology presented safety risks. Tesla‘s vehicles have been found to shut off the advanced driver-assistance system, Autopilot, around one second before impact, according to the regulators.

Pump-de-Dump doop bodu
Dump-de-Pump doop bop

Interesting to see even the hacker news set worrying that people will think they like musk if they drive a Tesla https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31771367

elon really fucked up lol

Smog's "I Was a Stranger" about Elon's arrival on Mars

Kind of wonder if Tesla is in too big to fail territory no matter what Elon does or how much of a scam Tesla is finally revealed to be. How many pension funds and 401ks are invested in it at this point?

Might as well confess at this point that my wife owns and drives a Tesla, and we both love it. I'm probably the only person on this thread who likes them, although I agree that Musk is an idiot.

friend of mine recently bought one

as insufferable as Elon is, it was a pleasure to drive in

the roof is made of glass!

Kind of wonder if Tesla is in too big to fail territory no matter what Elon does or how much of a scam Tesla is finally revealed to be. How many pension funds and 401ks are invested in it at this point?

― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, June 17, 2022 1:10 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This was my point a couple of weeks ago. It would have to be something criminal and even then I'm just not sure our system is going to punish a rich guy like Musk. I would love to see it though, I hate this guy :(

too big to fail is not the same as too rich to be prosecuted. you need to be close to a monopoly to be too big to fail, and tesla have a lot of competitors (who are rapidly catching up). tesla stock could absolutely crash in a bad way, or at least back to a realistic valuation

elon musk will never suffer because of the judicial system tho

yeah companies like tesla do from time to time fail

I hope Tesla fails. I hate the way their cars look, I hate the way their owners act, and I hate Elon Musk and his racist apartheid company.

x-post to anagram, just curious: I think I've mentioned before this strange Tesla owner thing I've noticed, where they all (the three or four I know) love their car while simultaneously admitting it's nowhere near as nice or reliable or well-made as comparable/previous luxury cars. Was this at all your experience?

Well we've never had a comparable size/price car before so I have nothing to compare it to really. My wife is the driver, I'm just a passenger/navigator and I just like the look & feel of it. With petrol prices going through the roof I think we did the right thing in buying it when we did. Obviously there are other EVs out there but the Tesla just seemed like the right choice for us idk. We also test drove a Volvo EV but it was kind of a boring experience compared to the Tesla.

No farting.

driving a car should be a boring experience in my humble opinion

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