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— naomi (@badnaomibad) November 2, 2022

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:40 (one year ago) link

Being attacked by both right & left simultaneously is a good sign

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 2, 2022

my man's really chugging the victory wine right now

frogbs, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 19:10 (one year ago) link

Made from his own tears

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 19:26 (one year ago) link

Elon’s on board with my gamer tags

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1587866548655505417

mh, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 19:29 (one year ago) link

If a new thread is warranted I suggest the name
Elon Musk : god-Emperor of Twitter

| (Latham Green), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 19:38 (one year ago) link

pic.twitter.com/kGncG7Hs3M

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 2, 2022

as a guy who cut his teeth on the SA forums back in the day I very much recognize this strain of posting disease

frogbs, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 20:07 (one year ago) link

always a great sign when your new CEO can't explain why anyone should pay for his company's service and instead resorts to antagonizing his own customer base after just 4 days on the job

frogbs, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 20:08 (one year ago) link

This piece is a pretty good variation on the "wow, has this supposedly smart guy fucked himself" pieces going around.

Now that we’re several days into the Elon Musk era of Twitter, some additional musings on how we got here and where we’re going. In no particular order:

1. Elon Musk did this to himself. There’s an old quip about how to make a small fortune in publishing: Start with a large fortune. Well, certainly Musk has a large fortune — the largest in the world, if we’re talking valuation rather than actual liquidity — and he’s about to make it smaller, because Twitter is worth nowhere near the $44 billion or so that he paid for it. Certainly Musk realized that almost immediately, which is why he tried to back out of the deal as soon as he made it.

The (former) board and shareholders realized it, too, which is why they absolutely, positively would not let him back out. From their point of view, Musk was their patsy, their stooge, their pigeon in a confidence game that let them cash out while Musk was left holding the bag. Twitter hardly ever made money as it was; now with the debt Musk has to service on an annual basis, it’ll probably be underwater for a long, long time.

But, look, no one made Musk do this. No one made him decide to become Twitter’s largest stockholder, no one made him make a ridiculous offer for the service, no one made him make that offer at what was basically a locked-in high price with little to no way of backing out gracefully if the financials did not add up. Musk, high on his own presumed genius and fashy-flirting worldview (and possibly also just high, period), was playing to his right-wing cheering squad of simpering fanboys when he decided to buy the place, and didn’t think through the consequences. So now he’s got himself a social media service and no clue what to do with it. Which is actually a thing we should underscore:

2. Elon Musk has no idea what he’s doing with Twitter. Both Musk’s frothy bootlickers and ardent haters think the dude has some sort of master plan for the service and that he’s bought the place to turn it into a fascist-friendly sinkhole that he can push democracy into (this being a bug or feature, depending on one’s own tendencies). And maybe, left to his own rich-white-dude-libertarian tendencies, he would have done. But the thing is, there’s no money in social media that way. Elon Musk may be an authoritarian-frotteuring bore, but the majority of the heavy users of Twitter (i.e., the ones generating content) are vaguely-to-solidly lefty, and the companies who advertise on the service don’t want to have their ads served next to an orgy of bigoted utterances by shitty people. Musk’s deal for the service has left him with something like a billion dollars in debt to service on an annual basis. He’s not going to do that with an exodus of high-profile users and no ads.

And this is before the various governments all over the world weigh in on what’s acceptable content on social media platforms. The EU has already made it clear to Musk they will take a dim view of him turning the service into a Nazi clubhouse, US politicians are looking to revisit Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (which largely immunizes platforms from the legal repercussions of the speech of their users), and other countries will have their own bones to pick on this score. Thanks to Musk owning other companies that are vulnerable to government pressure and punishment (Tesla, SpaceX and Starlink among them), anything he does with Twitter that displeases governments can also have an effect on his other businesses.

Remember what I said earlier about Musk being left holding the bag? This is the bag! He’s got to find a way to make incredibly disparate constituencies — users, advertisers, governments — happy, and still make enough annually to service his debt. Doing all this was hard enough for the previous Twitter regime, and they didn’t have either the amount of debt servicing Musk has, or the additional business vulnerabilities he does.

How will Musk do this all? He doesn’t know! Neither does anyone else! But of course it’s no one else’s problem, now; he’s the sole director of the place. At the moment, he’s trying to suggest that raising the price of the Twitter Blue subscription scheme and tying verification to that is going to do something useful for him, which it probably won’t, since tying verification to payment is not a great idea, and Twitter Blue is — and I can say this as a subscriber — a benefit for a niche audience at best. He’s also going to lay off staff, which will save some money but is likely to make the service worse. Which brings us to the next point:

3. No matter what Musk does, he’ll probably make the service worse in the short run. Minimizing moderation on the site, allowing creeps and trolls more latitude, will make the service worse. Fiddling with how verification works and opening it up without an actual plan other than to have it as a bonus for subscribing to Twitter Blue, will make the service worse. Cutting staff hastily on sketchy criteria, will make the service worse. And making the service worse is bad for Musk, because everyone is watching him, and these first few days and weeks are very likely to seal the service’s overall fate.

Celebrities and other heavy users are already leaving or making plans to leave or curtail their use of the service. Advertisers can go elsewhere. What and who is left will not necessarily be inclined to participate in a subscription scheme. The snowball of collapse is likely to start rolling downhill, picking up momentum as it goes, hurtling toward the cliff.

Mind you, it doesn’t have to go this way — Musk could just say, hey, in the short term, I’m going to keep things as they are while I and my crew figure this thing out. But he won’t, because that’s not who he is. He’s the sort of guy who decides to buy a social media service in a fit of pique, and then panic when he realize he’s overpaid and is now in charge of a money pit. So he’s going to do things, and just doing things quickly isn’t going to be great. Beyond this:

4. Musk picked a really bad time to jump into social media. Aside from Twitter’s already-existing money and user woes — it is the smallest of the major social media outlets, by a considerable margin — all the social media giants seem to be doing a faceplant these days. Meta/Facebook is has seen its value slash by hundreds of billions of dollars as Zuckerberg frantically tries to make VR happen; the formerly trillion-dollar company was famously recently valuated less than Home Depot. TikTok really does seem to be Chinese government spyware, and an FCC commissioner thinks it should be banned. More widely, Google is thinking about layoffs, and even Amazon’s valuation dropped below a trillion for the first time in a couple of years. Just about the only major social media that doesn’t seem to be about to implode is LinkedIn, i.e., PleaseHireMeIJustGotLaidOffFromTwitter.com.

The best time for Musk to have bought Twitter was never, but last Friday was definitely not the second-best time. The whole concept of what social media is seems to be undergoing scrutiny, and not just on an existential basis. It would not entirely surprise me to see the social media giants of today sold at fire sale prices tomorrow. It’s happened before! Which, hey, dovetails right into this:

5. I don’t expect Musk to keep Twitter for long. Or at the very least I don’t expect him to have it be his focus for very long. Right now Musk is in the “oh, shit, how do I make money from this” phase of things, and once he figures out he can’t (or alternately, realizes what he’s doing will just make things worse), I think his attention will drift to the other companies of his that actually do make money and will need his attention. At which point he’ll either foist the service off to someone at a substantially reduced price (Google could take it on and happily mine it for all the ad data it’s worth), or hire a caretaker CEO, whose job is to keep the bleeding to a minimum as the service deflates like a sad balloon, and then go back to his previous role on Twitter, which is stoned billionaire iconoclast occasionally posting an outrageous opinion for lulz.

Which is to say: Musk is gonna lose money on this! Like, a lot! But it’s his money to lose, and also, he has the money to lose. If the other parts of his empire do well (and they might!), he might not even miss that money as his overall net worth continues to expand.

Of course, I could be wrong about all of this. It’s possible that Musk will unlock heretofore-unrealized value from the service, shepherd it to wild profitability, and make all the services’ constituencies happy. In which case: Swell. I’ve liked Twitter, a lot, and would be happy for it to survive and thrive. Prove me wrong, Elon Musk! I will be happy to be wrong!

I don’t suspect I will be wrong, however. Musk overpaid, there’s not that much value to unlock, and he’s gonna take a bath on this purchase before he gives up the ghost and cuts his losses. Musk will survive his Twitter foolishness. We’ll see if Twitter survives it as well.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 20:08 (one year ago) link

Musk is like a guy taking over Spotify and saying, "You now have to pay $15.99 to stream an album. You're welcome."

M.U.S.K Man (with torture intro)

Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 20:34 (one year ago) link

lmao it owns that he's having a public meltdown at the same time advertisers are trying to figure out whether to continue running ads on his platform

frogbs, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 20:36 (one year ago) link

I think one of the biggest mistakes this dummy made is confusing Twitter for something significantly more than a source of entertainment, which I think is largely the role it plays for a lot of people, its various sub utilities aside. If Twitter stopped today the world would not fundamentally change the way the end of Google or Amazon would change things. Imo, the end of Twitter would be more like the end of a modestly successful sitcom. No one would pay a penny, let alone a monthly fee, for the return of Two and a Half Men.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 20:55 (one year ago) link

Hey not so fast..

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 20:57 (one year ago) link

would be hilarious if Elon musk personally relaunched Two and a half Men.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:03 (one year ago) link

well, the way he's currently windmill jousting, that could happen

Publicly allege (on twitter) he doesn't have the cojones to bring back 2 1/2 Men and I bet he'd take the bait

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:07 (one year ago) link

"Go to Mars? What about Everybody Loves Raymond, man!"

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:08 (one year ago) link

All these kids with Friends t-shirts show there is a market for 90s sitcoms, he should relaunch them all. A lot cheaper than buying Twitter.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:12 (one year ago) link

the thing that would really pique interest in twitter is if he created accounts for the characters from two and a half men!

lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:16 (one year ago) link

#winning

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:20 (one year ago) link

The Elon thing is like watching someone who wished to become a genie (because nobody is more powerful than a genie) realize what being a genie entails. pic.twitter.com/2uSqW1gQXZ

— Robinson Meyer (@robinsonmeyer) November 2, 2022

borrowed Ostalgia for the unremembered 80s (MoominTrollin), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 22:40 (one year ago) link

something something genitals

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 22:41 (one year ago) link

so it's like watching the end of the famous movie Aladin?

Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 23:22 (one year ago) link

Genie entrails

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 23:27 (one year ago) link

firing half a company in one day, there must be some reason why no one ever does that

Here it is: Elon Musk is planning to absolutely gut Twitter.

~3,700 people will lose their jobs on Friday, which is about half the company. Musk also plans to end Twitter’s remote work policy, forcing employees back to the office. https://t.co/tMcilbzUQg

— Paris Marx (@parismarx) November 3, 2022

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 November 2022 00:36 (one year ago) link

Screenshots from a Slack channel since made private put the number at 3,738 — we assume full-time Twitter employees.

A ‘RIF review’ meeting with Musk and his team is scheduled to be taking place right now. https://t.co/KokN5sul3A

— Casey Newton (@CaseyNewton) November 3, 2022

This roughly covers the interest payment

Apparently they accidentally posted the list in a public slack channel then made the channel private. None of the people managing this have ever had a real job.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 3 November 2022 00:37 (one year ago) link

jfc

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 November 2022 00:38 (one year ago) link

prob fire the people actually keeping the site up cause he had tesla guys out there counting commits

“Layoff lists were drawn up and ranked based on individuals’ contributions to Twitter’s code during their time at the company … The assessment was made by both Tesla personnel and Twitter managers.” https://t.co/tMcilbzUQg

— Paris Marx (@parismarx) November 3, 2022

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 November 2022 00:39 (one year ago) link

How confident is everyone in Tesla personnel and Twitter managers and their ability to identify who is keeping the website running?

Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:03 (one year ago) link

You have to imagine that many capable people are running for the Apple, Microsoft, and Google lifeboats is they haven’t left already. Meta on-boarded a handful of E6s this week. All from Twitter and during a “hiring freeze.”

Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:05 (one year ago) link

Everyone also needs to be quiet about the interest. It’s a non-issue. Even the most chaste of the lenders have said as much in the past two days. It’s not a pressing issue. Musk doesn’t care about it and he shouldn’t. He’s just this dumb.

Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:08 (one year ago) link

Apparently remote people (which is most people) are going to get fired for cause to avoid severance.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:11 (one year ago) link

Everyone also needs to be quiet about the interest.

My point was order of magnitude this saves real money (in the short term), while charging a small number of people $8 does not.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:12 (one year ago) link

Shitcanning trust and safety before pivoting to paywalled videos also seems like it might be a bad idea.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:14 (one year ago) link

Everyone also needs to be quiet about the interest. It’s a non-issue. Even the most chaste of the lenders have said as much in the past two days. It’s not a pressing issue. Musk doesn’t care about it and he shouldn’t. He’s just this dumb.


issue isn’t the lenders, it’s about not throwing good money after bad!

and clearly he does care about it, given the layoffs!

, Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:15 (one year ago) link

My point was order of magnitude this saves real money (in the short term), while charging a small number of people $8 does not.

My bad! That comment wasn’t directed at you! It was more of a comment about everyone on Twitter or Hacker News talking about this as being an important issue rather than the obvious important issue: Musk is a moron.

Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:17 (one year ago) link

issue isn’t the lenders, it’s about not throwing good money after bad!

and clearly he does care about it, given the layoffs!

Welcome to Silicon Valley. You over-hire but reminiscence about the “startup days” and will always, without fail, throw good money after bad.

Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:18 (one year ago) link

Xp got you.

Do you know if the Facebook joiners on ml infra or modelling? Or are they regular swes?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:23 (one year ago) link

no, you throw fidelity money after a16z money in silicon valley.

if twitter can’t pay its interest with the cash generated from its operations, sooner or later elon will have to contribute even more of his own money to avoid defaulting on the debt. elon is not very liquid - all his wealth is in tesla stock. he’d rather not have to sell even more tesla stock while the price is at a recent low. that’s what i mean about throwing good money after bad!

xp

, Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:24 (one year ago) link

I feel like Elon is giving us a good real world sense of what Galt's Gulch would be like. Nobody would actually know how to do a single useful thing.

Do you know if the Facebook joiners on ml infra or modelling? Or are they regular swes?

hey appeared to be infrastructure people. Because I’m a creep I looked at one’s Twitter profile and his posts read like he hasn’t quit Twitter! I hope this is a “quiet quitting” situation. If so, I applaud him.

Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:27 (one year ago) link

Hero.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:30 (one year ago) link

Reply to your dms btw

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:30 (one year ago) link

Advertisers should support:

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 2, 2022

normal

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 November 2022 02:08 (one year ago) link

SCOOP: L’Oréal has become the latest big company to suspend advertising spending on Twitter, as major brands grow nervous of Musk's chaotic rein

Others are quietly reviewing their exposure. “There’s some quiet quitting going on,” said one ad executivehttps://t.co/o8hD5uAcnw

— Hannah Murphy (@MsHannahMurphy) November 2, 2022

they're gonna hemorrhage advertisers, meanwhile the CEO is trying to feud with AOC on his own platform

frogbs, Thursday, 3 November 2022 02:30 (one year ago) link

let's say you could...how much would you pay?

— Danny Singh (@Mr_DannySingh) November 2, 2022

fucking yikes (assuming this dude actually does work there)

frogbs, Thursday, 3 November 2022 02:36 (one year ago) link

he does

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 3 November 2022 02:47 (one year ago) link

twitter but make it reverse cameo + onlyfans

call all destroyer, Thursday, 3 November 2022 02:53 (one year ago) link

pay 2 harass

what about the reverse, John? have you ever had a time you wanted to chat with another twitter customer but they never responded?

— Danny Singh (@Mr_DannySingh) November 2, 2022

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:23 (one year ago) link

This is hilarious and embarrassing. They really don't understand what people use Twitter for or how.


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