say something good about fraternities, or sororities

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or just discuss the sorority thing on mtv. i thought it was riveting.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 September 2002 02:04 (twenty-three years ago)

By concentrating themselves in their houses, they are forced to live with each other and therefore to eventually go mad.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 September 2002 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)

but you can FEEL the VIBE....

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 September 2002 02:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm worried about it, because I have a 17-year-old little sister, and I hear she was addicted to that show. I'm hoping she was addicted in the same "oh-look-at-how-ridiculous-they-all-are" way that I was, but what if she just sees it as fun or glamorous? What if she's starting to think, "I can't wait until I go to college and join a sorority!"?

I don't want to lose my sweet little sister to the Greeks. I am trying to counter the show's influence by getting her a subscription to Magnet. Let's hope this works.

nory (nory), Sunday, 22 September 2002 02:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Depends on the amount of brickwork between rooms, Tracer.

Tell yer sister to go to UC Santa Cruz, Nory. Wisely, frats and sororities are not allowed there. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 September 2002 02:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Someone explained this Sorororitie Life on AIM once but i can remember right. If im not mistaken it involved slutty jewish gurls getting drunk, didnt?

vic (vicc13), Sunday, 22 September 2002 02:31 (twenty-three years ago)

They do charity work. Sorority chicks tend to be fuckable and easy. You can always talk about sports with a frat boy. The Swingin' Medallions had one good song.

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 22 September 2002 02:32 (twenty-three years ago)

their members are usually gullible enough to ask people like me to write them papers for what tend to be generous sums...

mike (ro)bott, Sunday, 22 September 2002 02:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorority chicks tend to be fuckable and easy.

Around here they're usually plastic surgery disasters in waiting with eating disorders. I think I'll pass, thanks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 September 2002 02:50 (twenty-three years ago)

plastic surgery disasters in waiting with eating disorders

Ulala, baby

vic (vicc13), Sunday, 22 September 2002 02:54 (twenty-three years ago)

two of the MTV girls said they weren't going thru with it tonight. one stood up first and was very shaken up and didn't quite get out what she wanted to say, but she did let everyone know that she wasn't going through with it. then another of the MTV girls joined her - NB I haven't watched ANY of this show before tonight nor even been aware of its existence - and she was more articulate. She said she'd cried during rush more than she'd laughed. And she didn't want to be part of an organization that tore people down. The other girls didn't know where to look - but there was much respect in the room - and you could see afterwards that almost everyone was affected by what had happened. Two of the "alpha" girls or something rap about it afterwards and the most-together one manages to spin a platitude from it - "we learned a lesson today, we learned so many lessons, we needed this" and that "this will make us stronger". It was bullshit she was making up to find a silver lining but like the magnification device in Blade Runner it was true. One of the girls later says that the whole group (after doing some sort of initiation that the cameras couldn't follow and which apparently produces tears and fellowship on the spot - feel the vibe!) - was more "accepting".

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 September 2002 03:21 (twenty-three years ago)

there are frats and sororities at uc santa cruz

boxcubed (boxcubed), Sunday, 22 September 2002 03:44 (twenty-three years ago)

no there are not

vic (vicc13), Sunday, 22 September 2002 03:49 (twenty-three years ago)

why do you say that vic

boxcubed (boxcubed), Sunday, 22 September 2002 03:56 (twenty-three years ago)

i dont know, Santa Cruz for me is a football team from Recife, i guarantee there arent any sort of sororority in there

vic (vicc13), Sunday, 22 September 2002 03:59 (twenty-three years ago)

fair play

boxcubed (boxcubed), Sunday, 22 September 2002 04:07 (twenty-three years ago)

they help to make sure that at least some sheep have sex with humans, all that stuff about farmers doing that is made up. plus i heard about this one where they had a cool thing called the gorf that people could piss in and barf in and it would just run out the side of the wall, that would be pretty convenient. sororities are great because they teach girls how to be ladylike and have good manners. plus without the frats there would be no panty raids. plus they are nice because they help make sure that conservative white people have good jobs.

i went to a frat party when i visited whitman. it was fun. it was at sigma chi, i pronounced it "sig-muh chee" which was funny.

ron (ron), Sunday, 22 September 2002 04:47 (twenty-three years ago)

"they help make sure that conservative white people have good jobs." - no you're thinking of the Fortune 500.

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 22 September 2002 05:41 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, those are the ones!

ron (ron), Sunday, 22 September 2002 05:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Their drinking practices cull the stupidest element of the elite...

kate, Sunday, 22 September 2002 09:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Obviously we Brits don't have such things, but from my careful research into sororities (i.e. the videos I have watched) the good thing about them is that they are entirely composed of gorgeous naked lesbians.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 22 September 2002 11:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Animal House.

Mark C (Mark C), Sunday, 22 September 2002 13:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Seriously, isn't there something valuable there for some of the girls that join? Like when you join a religion, or identify with an ethnicity. You're surrounded with people on which you know, in certain contexts, you can absolutely depend.

Does it have to be a devil's bargain based on exclusion via certain judgements? What are the judgements - can we eat them - and could they become positive challenges instead of superficial snob-fodder?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 September 2002 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Secret sorority initiation = a gigantic dildo + "Bend over, sugar!" This explains the tears (but not necessarily the hugging, unless they were just weak at the knees).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 22 September 2002 18:42 (twenty-three years ago)

one of the inductees said she hadn't "felt it" until the initation so you may be on target Dan Perry

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 22 September 2002 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Feel the vibe, indeed.

Prude, Sunday, 22 September 2002 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I go to a school that has no Greek organizations. considering my boring existence here, with nary an ounce of hedonism, I think I would have preferred going to a school with frats and sororities. But I am not sure. Once I thought that I would like to go to cancun because I was not experiencing enough arbitrary nudity, but then I realized that I literally would not know what to do. I can't even pretend to fit in. maybe I am better off here. I don't know.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Sunday, 22 September 2002 21:11 (twenty-three years ago)

grow poppies. they're very hardy plants, it's easy to harvest opium from them, and if nobody comes to your opium den, well, you won't care

boxcubed (boxcubed), Sunday, 22 September 2002 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

eleven months pass...
Tell yer sister to go to UC Santa Cruz, Nory. Wisely, frats and sororities are not allowed there.

This is an incorrect statement.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 25 August 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

There are frats and sororities in Santa Cruz but I don't think they're officially recognized by the school. For that matter, I don't understand why any frats or sororities are "officially recognized" by any schools (public ones, anyway).

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Monday, 25 August 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Question is: what are fraternities actually good for, when all is said and done? Lots of backslapping going on, as far as I can tell....

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 25 August 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

sometimes, they have good parties.

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 25 August 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

They can also form the backbone of a very strong professional network as well as providing young people just out of college a tailor-made web of well-placed individuals with some level of vested interest in helping them succeed.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 25 August 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank god my university didn't have any.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 25 August 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan, I assume all that good stuff is after the beer chugging marathons?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 25 August 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

The Secret Fraternity of Balls N Shaft is key.

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 25 August 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Something good: They all eventually lez up or gay up. Right? I mean, that's what I heard.

NA (Nick A.), Monday, 25 August 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

They can also form the backbone of a very strong professional network as well as providing young people just out of college a tailor-made web of well-placed individuals with some level of vested interest in helping them succeed.

And eventually you end up at Young Republican parties and you annoy Teeny. And do you really want that?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

ethnic fraternities can offer an important solidarity network in the face of institutional racism etc.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

If you don't go to a school filled with stereotypical 'jocks' (no football, crappy other sports) and a minority of wealthy people (or wannabes), frats aren't so annoying.

I'd rather see campus religious orgs disappear before frats/sororities.

T/S: Frat boys passing out cheap beer in Dixie cups vs. Bible-thumpers passing out those little orange New Testaments

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

they tend to be located in the united states of america where i do not live

duane, Tuesday, 26 August 2003 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

where is boxcubed?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, but so many frat boys end up "finding jesus" at some point after college. and become the annoying bible thumpers who exert so much pressure on the GOP.

campus jesus people = freaks. more so than the arty crowd could ever be.

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

(which doesn't mean that i care for the proselytizing campus missionary types all that much [or proselytizers in general]. just that trying to be straight arrow/religious at yer typical non-religious college is more freaky a "statement" as anything the art-school crowd could ever think up. and the campus jesus freaks aren't contrived or pretentious about their freakiness, either!)

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

corny answer to those who "find Jesus" and feel the need to tell you as much, or who ask you if you've "found Jesus": "oh, i didn't know that Jesus was lost!"

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"it was me that hid him!!"

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 07:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"last i saw him, he was wandering around the produce section crying and looking for his mom!"

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 08:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The whole thing about frat = Republican isn't really true, you know, especially when you look at black frats.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Did anyone else's school have a punk frat? Mine did. It was lame. It was like a regular frat but dirtier and the kids were in bands and listened to "punk" music. But they still had lame frat parties and were misogynistic and drank until they puked. The best thing about them was that they let bands practice in their basement and had shows there sometimes. But most of the brothers were still jerks.

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

My little sister is in a mixed ethnicity sorority, black girls, latin girls, asian girls, white girls, etc. Their rush isn't evil, it's not designed to humiliate the rushee into submission. Her sorority has helped her lots of other girls develop a very tight-yet-open friendship/support circle. I realize that her sorority is not like most others, but from what I understand that element of actual closeness/togetherness seems to be a very good thing.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

was that sigma phi (the punk frat)? because that's what that frat used to be at Berkeley. actually I went to several of their parties in the early 90s and they were all fun. But I was always under the impression that they weren't part of the official greek system. They had good psychedelics, I know that.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

NA you are talking about Serp, right? That frat was so lame. I remember actually venturing out there a couple of times trying to be easy but the guys were the biggest social rejects.

Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

It was actually Psi U. I think it started out as a regular, kind of dorky frat but got taken over.

NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

wottabout "literary fraternities?"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The Omega Mu's

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

seven years pass...

http://goodmenproject.com/2010/10/15/in-yale-fraternity-pledging-rape-is-laughing-matter/

smdh

dayo, Saturday, 16 October 2010 02:32 (fifteen years ago)

something nice about frat dudes: they can be pretty chill. for example: last halloween in chapel hill, an angry drunk dude stabbed a guy who wouldn't let him into a frat party, then ran away, went to chill at a different frat party, eventually bragged to people at the second party about stabbing someone at the first party, then went inside their frat house and passed out on one of their beds -- which they were apparently cool with

rmde and dangerous (bernard snowy), Saturday, 16 October 2010 02:39 (fifteen years ago)

some of the best parties i went to in college were at a co-ed frat in chapel hill - a bunch of freaks and weirdos, 90% queer, 100% fun

sarahel, Saturday, 16 October 2010 03:20 (fifteen years ago)

I've met a lot of guys in law school that were in frats and seem like really nice guys and don't fit the stereotype I had. I think maybe some just went to schools where it was the norm to be in a frat.

buju_stanton (Hurting 2), Saturday, 16 October 2010 03:22 (fifteen years ago)

a bunch of sexy dudes in that photo too

truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 16 October 2010 03:23 (fifteen years ago)

i was in a frat - it was right across from the music dept where i worked, and it had a real kitchen.

sarahel, Saturday, 16 October 2010 03:24 (fifteen years ago)

Man I have heard so many jokes like that in the Yale link, I guess I should be more depressed that my reaction was like, 'yeah that sounds like things people say' rather than requiring a cold compress or something.

The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Saturday, 16 October 2010 03:25 (fifteen years ago)

fwiw DKE has always had the rep of being the bro-iest aggro dude frat on campus (pretty sure both bushes were DKE members)

dayo, Saturday, 16 October 2010 03:29 (fifteen years ago)

^^ i think they got banned from Brown

sarahel, Saturday, 16 October 2010 03:31 (fifteen years ago)

had a roommate who was in a sorority, she was really sweet, cool person

knew a guy who was in a fraternity at william and mary, but it was one of those weird "alternative" fraternities or something. anyhow, he was great.

dude (del), Saturday, 16 October 2010 03:50 (fifteen years ago)

i guess these tards do it partly in the hope they'll get a rise out of bloggahs

ilxinho (nakhchivan), Saturday, 16 October 2010 03:53 (fifteen years ago)

know nothing of frats. went to a hippie school that forbade such things. my only experience with involved attending the graduation of two family members @ dartmouth. spent the night wandering around from frat party to frat party. remember basements literally awash in beer & puke, people passed out in bushes, on lawns & sofas, everywhere. plus tons of drunk people making crazy right & left. (it was kinda late, i should note, before i started my rounds, so i'm sure i saw only the dregs of entertainment). would grab a bottle from one house and swig my way to next, where i'd switch it out for something else. had a good time, people seemed cool, if trashed.

naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Saturday, 16 October 2010 03:57 (fifteen years ago)

seven years pass...

oh shit this guy is my hero

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/college/a16154171/new-bill-could-ban-greek-life-in-tennessee/

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 02:09 (eight years ago)

Dani Weatherford, Executive Director of the National Panhellenic Conference
“From leading programs to combat sexual violence to volunteering as mentors to empower future female leaders, sorority women are consistently among the most active members of our campus communities. They’re committed students at the forefront of some of the most pressing challenges facing women today. This disappointing and short-sighted piece of legislation not only attacks basic student rights, but turns a blind eye to the contributions made by more than 10,000 sorority women on 16 campuses and by thousands of sorority alumnae in countless communities across the Volunteer State."

how much of their dues pay your salary

Francisco Lugo, President of the National Association of Latino Fraternal Organizations
"Our organizations provide a powerful experience for underrepresented students on campuses. Allowing this legislation to move forward would greatly impact the ability for state schools to continue to provide a diverse, inclusive and equitable environment on their campuses."

your students are underrepresented in no small part because the other greek societies won't let latinos in. keeps you in a job though, right?

Vigor Lam, Vice Chair of the National APIDA Panhellenic Association
“NAPA believes in the mission and values of our association and the fraternal experience. With the past 2016 House bill proposing to divert UT’s diversity funding, our organizations are more important than ever to advocate for and to be a strong voice for the Asian American identity and issues, as well as the fraternity and sorority experience."

oh, so without dues-collecting selective social clubs to enforce fucked up norms, diversity is at risk. got it.

Victoria Valdez, President of the National Multicultural Greek Council
“Multicultural fraternities and sororities like those in the National Multicultural Greek Council are integral to the lives of the students who find safety and community in their organizations, particularly those who face the daily trauma of existing as students of color or other underrepresented communities. We stand firmly against hazing, but believe banning Greek-letter organizations and their activities will hurt those students who are committed to the promotion of multiculturalism, scholarship, leadership, diversity, and advocating for justice on their campus and in their communities. It would also push hazing and other dangerous behaviors underground, potentially harming those it seeks to protect."

god forbid hazing be pushed underground, where the ER visits will become harder to spot

Judson Horras, President & CEO of the North-American Interfraternity Conference
“The way to bring out the best in young men is to utilize brotherhood to mentor, inspire, and hold them accountable to shared standards—not to limit their basic constitutional rights. Fraternities acknowledge the challenges in college communities and remain committed to working with our trusted higher education partners in Tennessee to improve campus culture."

Fuck you.

Lynda Wiley, Executive Director of the Association of Fraternity/Sorority Advisors
“Prohibiting public universities from recognizing fraternities and sororities does a huge disservice to the overwhelming number of students that have a positive membership experience. Doing so does not solve systemic problems of alcohol abuse, sexual assault or hazing that occur within the college community or broader society. On the contrary, strong university recognition, which includes employing trained professionals that work with fraternities and sororities, is key in educating students and preventing problems from occurring in the first place."

Yes let's pay some trained professionals to deal especially with the clubs you get paid to represent, that's how to solve this. Maybe their salaries can come out of the dues too!

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 02:19 (eight years ago)

seven months pass...

ban them

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 29 September 2018 18:02 (seven years ago)

freedom to associate means you can't

find another way - cf article I linked seven months ago

El Tomboto, Saturday, 29 September 2018 18:49 (seven years ago)

Greek societies are completely irredeemable

El Tomboto, Saturday, 29 September 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)

hey

Dmac TT (darraghmac), Saturday, 29 September 2018 19:05 (seven years ago)

“But what about Poopa Hega, the honors society for chicken phlebotomists”

GET A NEW NAME

El Tomboto, Saturday, 29 September 2018 19:06 (seven years ago)


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