Charlie Brooker's BLACK MIRROR

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International Emmy winner Black Mirror, written by Charlie Brooker, returns with three brand new films. Each story is in turn, disarming, suspenseful and darkly satirical, and all explore our modern reality.

Premiered tonight with the heavy; haunting "Be Right Back"...

Walter Galt, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 00:05 (four years ago) Permalink

More fucking Brooker crap.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 01:22 (four years ago) Permalink

has this run in the US? why because it sound interesting

akm, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:43 (four years ago) Permalink

first series was incredible

walloreinhart (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:45 (four years ago) Permalink

internet lets me down on s01 torr3nts

akm, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:55 (four years ago) Permalink

i take that back

akm, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:56 (four years ago) Permalink

it was on youtube for awhile (officially?)

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 03:03 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Brooker regularly Tweets YouTube links to his stuff on official YouTube channels.
I thought this first new film was pretty intense. The concept resonated for me - I wonder how much a viewer's investment in this story depends on whether someone close to them has... wait, has no one else seen this?

She Got the Shakes, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 07:46 (four years ago) Permalink

really crap episode. I do not know where to begin. the premise was brilliant but it was executed stupidly, it was taken wayyyyy too far to be sensible or reasonable (even in the story's own constructed reality), and 20 minutes of story was padded to 48. shithouse.

walloreinhart (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 09:31 (four years ago) Permalink

I didn't watch it, saw the preview, it looked like a 'good' episode of "Tales of the Unexpected".

Those eps were 30 mins.

Mark G, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 09:40 (four years ago) Permalink

first ep i've ever seen of this show.

yes it could have been better - it should have been far more difficult for her to reject the clone, for instance, in the flesh he actually wasn't compelling or even realistic - but i have a looooooooot of time for modern twilight zone episodes shot with moody lighting

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:13 (four years ago) Permalink

i loved all the little tech bits as well, c'mon that's how you do it

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:13 (four years ago) Permalink

where did her nosy friend end up? why weren't those things deployed en masse as aids for the elderly/disabled, sex toys, butlers &c.? too many dumb holes.

walloreinhart (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:31 (four years ago) Permalink

why weren't those things deployed en masse as aids for the elderly/disabled, sex toys, butlers &c.

they probably were! this was a story about one (presumably loaded) woman living in a big ol' country house.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:37 (four years ago) Permalink

first 20 minutes definitely the strongest - i loved how basically everything spoke to the sorts of knowledge we have that's surprising, or unpublic, how hard it is to really know someone. and yet... honestly if they'd just stuck to the chat format i bet she would have kept talking to "it" for years

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:42 (four years ago) Permalink

http://liveson.org/

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:42 (four years ago) Permalink

genuinely surprised at how short this thread is! this ep seems like it's right in ilx's wheelhouse

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 15:53 (four years ago) Permalink

I liked the first series with reservations, but I loved this. Very much a modern-day Monkey's Paw or similar. I think keeping it low-key and emotions-based worked really well.

AA - seriously, do you actually care about those things? They're not even plot-holes: if you tried to answer them then your film would be incredibly dull.

emil.y, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 23:56 (four years ago) Permalink

all of those things (and more—I didn't get to all the other wtf moments) completely got in the way for me

walloreinhart (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 14 February 2013 00:52 (four years ago) Permalink

I dunno, I guess we just have completely different psychology. I mean, I didn't need them explaining because they seemed fairly self-explanatory. But let's have a go:

"Nosy friend" - if she's turning the phone off to her sister, why would she be chatting on the reg to someone who it is made fairly obvious she isn't that close to? The scene at the funeral was fairly obviously between people who weren't close. And she has her dead husband bot to talk to.

"why weren't they deployed en masse?" - Tracer's OTM that these things obviously are around... she's affluent and tech-savvy enough to be an early adopter, so it's still a bit embarrassing, especially because of the emotional aspect (hence why she doesn't tell her sister or the moving men), but that doesn't mean that she's the only special snowflake who has one. The story doesn't involve other people aside from her immediate social circle, WHY ON EARTH would it suddenly break into a story about everyone else's android husband? And as for the implication that they could be used for good: a) at the very start there is a bit on the news about the technology being used for good, and b) since when do private corporations even care about doing good?

emil.y, Thursday, 14 February 2013 01:07 (four years ago) Permalink

I liked at the end it was basically Pop-pop gets a treat?

kinder, Thursday, 14 February 2013 08:14 (four years ago) Permalink

Agree with AA to an extent, it was a massive jump to reveal at the end that they live in a world where extreme tech exists that would have altered society completely. You don't invent something that advanced overnight. It made the point it was trying to make though, I guess.

kinder, Thursday, 14 February 2013 08:26 (four years ago) Permalink

seems like brooker's been reading some kurzweil

Crackle Box, Thursday, 14 February 2013 10:43 (four years ago) Permalink

Hadn't seen any of these before, wasn't expecting it to be quite so low-key and melancholic. Thought it was a good way of talking/thinking about loss, what constitutes a person, the way we love and remember others - reminded me a bit of Ishiguro's Never Let Me Go. The ending was pretty close to perfect - very creepy, very sad - and i liked the slow pacing throughout.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 14 February 2013 18:59 (four years ago) Permalink

it was a massive jump to reveal at the end that they live in a world where extreme tech exists that would have altered society completely. You don't invent something that advanced overnight.

Wut? How are you reading this as a 'big reveal' at the end? What are you talking about?

emil.y, Thursday, 14 February 2013 19:03 (four years ago) Permalink

Is this series better than the last one? I thought S1 had some nice ideas, and I applaud the intent, but it was really clunky and 6th form in its implementation.

give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Thursday, 14 February 2013 19:35 (four years ago) Permalink

It wasn't played as a big reveal or anything, that's not what I meant. It's just setting the scene very late that it was set in a world that would have adapted to having clones to some extent so it's hard to gauge her reaction or concept of him compared to if something like that was parachuted in to our world

kinder, Thursday, 14 February 2013 20:48 (four years ago) Permalink

dude, they established that there were science-fictional medical type advances in literally the first minute of the episode (on the tv playing in the car)! it didn't set the scene very late at all

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 14 February 2013 20:52 (four years ago) Permalink

Submitted post too early but i'm trying to type on my phone and it's hard to get my point across so I'll stop now

Xp right but a world with actual clones, rules about them, attitudes would be a lot more different than just havingfancy coffee cups and thinner phones

kinder, Thursday, 14 February 2013 20:54 (four years ago) Permalink

It did remind me of Never let me go too, where the social reaction to such thing was a big part of the world he wrote

kinder, Thursday, 14 February 2013 20:57 (four years ago) Permalink

attitudes would be a lot more different than just havingfancy coffee cups and thinner phones

This is a massive part of the whole 'Black Mirror' concept, though. That actually things aren't so very different, that human beings carry on being human beings through all sorts of radical change. Hell, it's a large part of a lot of science fiction.

emil.y, Thursday, 14 February 2013 21:00 (four years ago) Permalink

emil.y:

re nosy friend: there's no consequence for her. she's the one who lays the groundwork for the plot, and once that's underway she just vanishes, despite the fact that she fucked up this woman's life to an enormous degree. but in modern day storytelling she needs to be around to react, or to be affected in some way. she's the most obvious kind of loose end.

re world of clones: kinder's point is otm—it's a stretch (although not entirely unlikely) that robot clones suddenly exist because facebook invented them, and that the first round off the line is virtually indistinguishable from humans. the leap from a robotic voice on the phone to a self-healing robotic person requires an enormous suspension of disbelief.

also, when robot man is still just a phone voice and he tells her how to prepare the realdoll, but he disappears into static. what the hell? they couldn't have staged that better? there are people watching who have never experienced phone voices disappearing into static on the phone (it's an analogue cell thing), and because he's being deleted or migrated or whatever, it's even less plausible. also, why did that happen at all? why couldn't robot man have just finished his sentence? also (and this is my biggest problem here), he was warning her that she must do something to prepare the realdoll, but she never heard what it was, and again (just like nosy friend) there was no consequence. so why do it? this episode was littered with bombs that never went off.

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:56 (four years ago) Permalink

Charlie Brooker's FUCK OFF

drier than a Charles Grodin quip (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 February 2013 21:44 (four years ago) Permalink

despite the fact that she fucked up this woman's life to an enormous degree

Well, actually, she didn't. And that too is the point. It's not like (spoilers) this is the technology misbehaving, or rebelling, or taking over the world. It's about grief. The central character's life ISN'T fucked up by the android, it's fucked up by her husband dying. And actually, the nosy friend's advice was helpful for a while, it was the main character's decision to push further that was the wrong decision.

in modern day storytelling she needs to be around to react, or to be affected in some way

Uh, why? This would be completely pointless and irrelevant to the story that's being told.

robot clones suddenly exist because facebook invented them

What?

the first round off the line is virtually indistinguishable from humans

I will give you that it's a relatively quick transition, but it's not meant to be set in the present day and then they suddenly appear magically. It's already the future when it starts. I actually thought the news report at the beginning was fairly heavy-handed foreshadowing, but clearly you and kinder both completely missed the set-ups here.

when robot man is still just a phone voice and he tells her how to prepare the realdoll, but he disappears into static

Okay, I'll give you this: there is no _practical_ reason for this to happen. Even though we're told it's still in beta, you'd think that they'd set up the data migration in a way that instructions could be given at the correct time. However, it fits the arc - the husband disappears suddenly, the first ripple also disappears suddenly, and gives way to a hollower echo. It's the narrative of grief, again.

this episode was littered with bombs that never went off.

It wasn't meant to be about bombs going off. It was a quiet reflection on grief and desire and 'you should be careful what you wish for', it wasn't a dystopian futureworld of killer robots.

Seriously, I have no problem with you guys not liking it or it not resonating with you or whatever, but a lot of your 'holes' simply aren't holes.

emil.y, Friday, 15 February 2013 22:34 (four years ago) Permalink

the leap from a robotic voice on the phone to a self-healing robotic person requires an enormous suspension of disbelief.

It's science fiction! Stories about spaceships require an enormous suspension of disbelief! And it was almost all borderline semi-plausible not too distant future tech. Main problem I had was that although the point of the story is that it wasn't an actual artificial intelligence, I don't think you could get even that level of interaction without genuine AI, but I was willing to give that a pass. Yeah I found this pretty moving, extremely well done in terms of the human details, and seriously when can I get one of those giant L shaped touch screen desktops?

ledge, Friday, 15 February 2013 22:54 (four years ago) Permalink

Also anyone complaining this was over stretched and implausible has clearly never seen spielberg's AI.

ledge, Friday, 15 February 2013 22:55 (four years ago) Permalink

Well, actually, she didn't.

debatable imo. rather than allow her friend to go through the normal grieving process, she actively harassed her into avoiding it. nosy friend changed her whole life for the worse.

Uh, why? This would be completely pointless and irrelevant to the story that's being told.

so why is she there at all? the widow could have reached that point all by herself (i.e. discovering the zombie social network), but brooker chose to drop in a character to enforce that plot device; that character, then, needs to factor into a later part of the story, especially when her influence leads directly to the devastating final scene. i can't imagine what 2001 would have been like if the monolith had just stopped being in it from the halfway mark.

What?

that's what we're asked to accept. i had already suspended a fair whack of disbelief by that point, but that leap was so enormous that i was really struggling to stay with the core theme from then on.

I actually thought the news report at the beginning was fairly heavy-handed foreshadowing, but clearly you and kinder both completely missed the set-ups here.

i did miss/forget that, yeah, but to be fair that's the sort of thing a storyteller might throw in at the last minute to check a box. by the time the realdoll stuff kicked in, i doubt many viewers remembered that five-second news grab.

It wasn't meant to be about bombs going off. It was a quiet reflection on grief and desire and 'you should be careful what you wish for', it wasn't a dystopian futureworld of killer robots.

i understand your point completely, so it's with extra emphasis that i make the point that those deviations shouldn't have been there in the first place. the only reason i can come up with is that brooker had 48 minutes to fill. this was a twilight zone-length story at best.

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 22:57 (four years ago) Permalink

It's science fiction! Stories about spaceships require an enormous suspension of disbelief!

this wasn't on a spaceship, it was set on earth in the near future. i myself have made excuses for plenty of science fiction because it's set in a crazy anything-could-happen speculative universe, but this wasn't.

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 22:59 (four years ago) Permalink

Why wasn't it? If you don't buy my "this is all semi-plausible tech" line (fair enough tbh) it still works as an alternate universe "what if" story. What if we did have Facebook robot clones?

ledge, Friday, 15 February 2013 23:04 (four years ago) Permalink

a lot of 16 year-old boys wd be getting laid on the reg?

drier than a Charles Grodin quip (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 February 2013 23:10 (four years ago) Permalink

Why wasn't it? If you don't buy my "this is all semi-plausible tech" line (fair enough tbh) it still works as an alternate universe "what if" story.

self-healing robots? really? i mean maybe there was a roadside billboard that said 'HAPPY NEW NANOMILLENNIUM CITIZENS OF JUPITER' at some point

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 23:16 (four years ago) Permalink

last year's story about the bloke earning credits on the bike could well have been set so distantly in space/time that pretty much anything is excusable, but we're talking about people dressing like they do now, being in buildings that look like they do now, driving cars that look like they do now &c. no way was this the great chinese kingdom of wales in 2168 or whatever.

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 23:19 (four years ago) Permalink

Ok there are plenty of details that make this seem like a plausible near future world (slightly sexier phones and desktops) but that doesn't mean it's an actual possible world. It's an SF fairy story. SF can be good without being 100% technologically plausible.

ledge, Friday, 15 February 2013 23:23 (four years ago) Permalink

also i don't understand why they have the technology to build near-perfect humanoid robots that self-heal, and yet they post her a dormant android covered in vaseline and she has to tip powder into the bath like it's a sea monkey

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 23:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Ok there are plenty of details that make this seem like a plausible near future world (slightly sexier phones and desktops) but that doesn't mean it's an actual possible world. It's an SF fairy story. SF can be good without being 100% technologically plausible.

when the plausibility is unprecedented by anything else in the story, it gets in the way. emil.y mentioned that news clip right at the start, which was fairly obviously chucked in during post production, and which i and (presumably) kinder didn't even notice. that's not enough. maybe, i dunno, the protagonists could have had a chat about 'those creepy robots', or a proto-humanoid could have served vol-au-vents at the funeral or something.

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 15 February 2013 23:28 (four years ago) Permalink

I guess my problem is that I don't see why your suggestions make *anything* more plausible. They just clutter up a story with rubbish to hammer home a point. I mean, it is far more plausible to me that the nosy friend is never heard of again, because they weren't close in the first place and that's what happens when you're grieving, but you would relinquish plausibility in this case for plot device to make sure that everything is tied up neatly. Guess what? Life isn't tied up neatly. It's not plausible for all the loose ends to be tied.

emil.y, Friday, 15 February 2013 23:37 (four years ago) Permalink

And, you know, *why* is it more plausible to have a robot butler be the first instantiation rather than medical uses followed by a weirdo start-up company that preys on grief? I'm not at all sure that it is.

emil.y, Friday, 15 February 2013 23:39 (four years ago) Permalink

(Also, I assume you were eliding/joking with your interpretation that 'facebook invented it', right? It utilises data from all digital interactions and records in a future where even more interactions are online than they are now, it isn't just 'I have made you out of facebook'.)

emil.y, Friday, 15 February 2013 23:41 (four years ago) Permalink

It's an SF fairy story. SF can be good without being 100% technologically plausible.

yeah, you basically have to give them this and then judge everything else on its own merits. It's not like it's particularly likely that someone would survive a nuclear apocalypse by being trapped in a a bank vault etc. etc.

Number None, Friday, 15 February 2013 23:42 (four years ago) Permalink

As much as I enjoyed that episode - the memories being included in people’s DNA was pretty dumb.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 8 January 2018 00:03 (one week ago) Permalink

i watched Marjorie Prime last week, and my final take was: it was like BM would be if Brooker wasn't an absolute pile of fucking overrated doggie plop.

calzino, Monday, 8 January 2018 00:55 (one week ago) Permalink

20 minutes into season 4 episode 1. my prediction is something is going to go badly.

treeship 2, Monday, 8 January 2018 01:54 (one week ago) Permalink

i do not think this guy will stand up to his business partner, gain confidence, and win the affection of that girl.

i hope i'm proven wrong.

treeship 2, Monday, 8 January 2018 01:55 (one week ago) Permalink

oh fuck

treeship 2, Monday, 8 January 2018 02:14 (one week ago) Permalink

Livetweeting Black Mirror could be pretty funny.

DJI, Monday, 8 January 2018 02:17 (one week ago) Permalink

nerds are the worst

treeship 2, Monday, 8 January 2018 02:42 (one week ago) Permalink

Haven't seen Black Museum yet, but I wasn't particularly assuming any take place in the same universe other than some sort of future western society that's like ours but with one thing changed/changing that somehow hasn't affected the rest of society (this doesn't apply to every ep obv).
Consider how many thinkpieces, jobs, opportunities etc smartphones (or even any one particular use of a smartphone, app, whatever) have spawned yet being effectively forced to show your memories on demand is like oh nbd

kinder, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:56 (one week ago) Permalink

tbh every time I think of the cryptkeeper framing I mumble "gree hee hee"

mh, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 01:00 (one week ago) Permalink

Black Museum is very bad because of the tone. It's very SyFy Channel cheesy bullshit.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 06:24 (one week ago) Permalink

i like black museum--the tone doesn't strike me as that different from the Hamm Christmas Special--but it def feels like a different show than Metalhead, which felt refreshingly beamed in from a different channel

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:53 (one week ago) Permalink

Season was good overall. Feel like they're running out of ideas a little bit though - it's like every episode is about consciousness or being inside someone's head, a slightly different Cookie. Hang the DJ was maybe the most interesting take on that this season, but there's a lot more they could do outside of that. Yeah Metalhead was refreshing in that respect

I dunno about Black Museum... some of the ideas were cool, but the conclusion of each story is just way bleaker than it needs to be, with the shit like the keychain. There's a point at which I feel like the writer is just not a good person

Vinnie, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:26 (one week ago) Permalink

The real reason for it, however, is I think it's there to act as an anchor to prove the Black Mirror universe exists and all the stories take place in the same setting.

I just figured the real reason for this episode (and the White Christmas one) is that they had a bunch of ideas they couldn't stretch out to episode length

Vinnie, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:30 (one week ago) Permalink

Any trend (real or hypothetical), taken to its extreme, is the template. So in a way, Black Mirror is a Portlandia spinoff.

dunsinane in the membrane (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:32 (one week ago) Permalink

He's on Desert Island Discs this week: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09kx840

millmeister, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:55 (one week ago) Permalink

“I lived in a field, and now I live in a tin!”

kim jong deal (suzy), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:55 (one week ago) Permalink

metalheads should have been called "strong and stable"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:41 (one week ago) Permalink

extremely happy w my decision to watch only "san junipero" from last season and "uss callister" & "metalheadz" from this season, i feel like i'm 3 for 3

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:43 (one week ago) Permalink

those little tracker flechettes the robot tracker fired made me cringe! ouch

I'm not going to think too much about whether the ending, with the reveal of what they were looking for, is a definite reference to another episode. Probably.. yeah

mh, Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:46 (one week ago) Permalink

I didn't enjoy Metalheads much. But it was probably the right aesthetic decision to have no backstory, no frame. Why are there robot dogs here; why are they so frickin determined, what do the robots even want, why are they so scarily good at what they do...

Every smart thing the lady does to confuse or outwit the robodog strikes me as deserving of better payoff.

mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:55 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm still on the "why do stories explain too much instead of relying on a simple premise and dumping us in, in media res, like good stories should be able to" so I'm perfectly fine with how it was structured

imo the point of survival horror is undermined if we know where and how the monster comes from, the unknown is the real fear

mh, Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:59 (one week ago) Permalink

I've watched about 14 episodes. I have actively enjoyed 2. The rest ended with me saying "that's it???" (even though they all seem overly long).

Yerac, Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:16 (one week ago) Permalink

awwww mia don't help your junkie boyfriend hide that body

treeship 2, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:02 (five days ago) Permalink

huh, in the end she is more ruthless than him.

treeship 2, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:10 (five days ago) Permalink

well

treeship 2, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:10 (five days ago) Permalink

we don't know yet

treeship 2, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:10 (five days ago) Permalink

holy shit

treeship 2, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:11 (five days ago) Permalink

ok.

wayyyyy more.

treeship 2, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:12 (five days ago) Permalink

love this show.

treeship 2, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:13 (five days ago) Permalink

'the baby...was blind!!!!'

iatee, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:56 (five days ago) Permalink

Not like a baby is capable or forming coherent memories at that age but whatever, still enjoyed it.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 13 January 2018 17:45 (five days ago) Permalink

Um, hate to quibble or spoil but it looks like the box can get the visual feed from even the most unlikely of sources, and this becomes a crucial plot point. Presuming a sighted baby would have been no trouble.

mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 13 January 2018 17:48 (five days ago) Permalink

not that it matters, but hamsters have notably terrible eyesight

Number None, Saturday, 13 January 2018 17:59 (five days ago) Permalink

that was not a hamster!

mh, Saturday, 13 January 2018 18:30 (five days ago) Permalink

my bad

guinea pigs are pretty blind too

Number None, Saturday, 13 January 2018 18:32 (five days ago) Permalink

Metalhead would have been greatly diminished by a backstory or explanation. You already know what a guard dog is.

Feel like they're running out of ideas a little bit though - it's like every episode is about consciousness or being inside someone's head [...] there's a lot more they could do outside of that.
[...]
I just figured the real reason for this episode (and the White Christmas one) is that they had a bunch of ideas they couldn't stretch out to episode length

― Vinnie, Thursday, January 11, 2018 2:30 AM (three days ago)

the vast TVGH writing staff

Any idea why Crocodile was filmed in Iceland (by the looks of it) but everyone had an English accent?

racist

Haribo Hancock (sic), Saturday, 13 January 2018 21:07 (five days ago) Permalink

had to pause and restart

treeship 2, Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:18 (four days ago) Permalink

i'm not buying mia's "crocodile tears" following her murders

treeship 2, Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:19 (four days ago) Permalink

lol this children's recital with the 1920s mobsters

treeship 2, Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:22 (four days ago) Permalink

Crocodile is phenomenal.

All but the first and last are super imho.

lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Sunday, 14 January 2018 18:14 (four days ago) Permalink

The first one was the weakest so far for sure. Going to watch metalhead tonight.

treeship 2, Sunday, 14 January 2018 18:17 (four days ago) Permalink

They really go hard on this “virtual selves” idea, and the moral chaos that would emerge from it. I find it interesting, but it’s also really outlandish and might take away from the show’s ability to respond to our actual relationship to technology and media, which it clearly intends to do.

treeship 2, Sunday, 14 January 2018 18:22 (four days ago) Permalink

watching Hang the Dj, it's reminding me of The Lobster

kinder, Sunday, 14 January 2018 20:51 (four days ago) Permalink

and another current tv show

kinder, Sunday, 14 January 2018 21:26 (four days ago) Permalink

uss callister ended up being my least favourite of the lot, by a long way. black museum was nicely done for what it was. ‘er indoors hated metalheads and she is wrong.

re aldo’s “what if phones but too much”: i mean yes i agree, but nearly the whole world is basically “phones” now, so it’s an ideal speculative launching pad for “but too much”. “what if consciousness but simulated by some code which is being tortured” is where it lost me.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 11:20 (two days ago) Permalink

"what if phones but too much" was Mallory Ortberg

Haribo Hancock (sic), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:09 (two days ago) Permalink

and CB liked it so much he snuck it into last season

I only tried USS Callister but I had to bail on it, so bored of the one-dimensionally toxic dude characters

Simon H., Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:13 (two days ago) Permalink

"what if phones but too much" was Mallory Ortberg

― Haribo Hancock (sic), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 07:09 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well bugger me

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:24 (two days ago) Permalink

one-dimensionally toxic dude characters

Hrm; I thought the show was fiction

Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:46 (two days ago) Permalink

but you want more than one dimension in order to care about what happens to them/other people. that’s one of the reasons the whole negan thing got so stupid.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:55 (two days ago) Permalink


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