Bond #24: SPECTRE

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Whenever it comes together. Current hoo-hah:

Sam Mendes has reportedly been seriously considering helming the 24th James Bond installment now it will be a stand-alone film.
Sam Mendes is ''75 per cent'' sure he will direct the next James Bond film.
The 'Skyfall' filmmaker has allegedly revoked his decision not to direct the 24th instalment of the popular spy franchise now screenwriter John Logan has scrapped plans to write a two-part story.
The next two chapters were initially rumoured to form one continuous storyline, which would have been a big commitment and needed to be shot back-to-back over a four year period.
According to a report by the MailOnline, the director is reluctant to commit until he sees John's finished script, but is likely to sign on for the job.
Sources claim the plot for the next 007 adventure is currently in the form of two treatment papers outlining the basic details. Only producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are said to have seen the blueprint so far.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 17 February 2013 14:10 (five years ago) Permalink

Direction was solid enough, photo was great. What Skyfall lacked was in the script, and while the same guy is writing this movie that doesn't really mean anything at all and there's a solid chance Bond #24 will take what was good in Skyfall and wrap a better story around it.

Because most of it can basically be fixed by having another villain. And Broccoli and her brother will do their thang regardless of who's working on the movie so it's only as good as they say it'll be.

One director doing more Bond films in a row is something I've wanted, and while I'd rather see Martin Campbell do it Mendes seems to work smoothly as a Broccoli henchman, not interferring too much.

Let's only hope Logan has written in a female character that's not useless, now Moneypenny is back and M gone.

abcfsk, Sunday, 17 February 2013 14:21 (five years ago) Permalink

There's more chance it's shit again, really. Not like they had to introduce characters or anything last time, so why assume anything will be better this time round?

birmingham six, guildford four, mumford & sons (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 February 2013 17:37 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

writer mither

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=41415

piscesx, Monday, 30 June 2014 03:49 (four years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Christoph Waltz for the baddie! http://www.slashfilm.com/christoph-waltz-bond-24/

piscesx, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:29 (three years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Spectre!

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=42910

piscesx, Thursday, 4 December 2014 11:23 (three years ago) Permalink

live feed from the announcement: http://youtu.be/2khljj3VKAw

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Thursday, 4 December 2014 11:37 (three years ago) Permalink

So, the return of SPECTRE, the gender roles at MI5 reversed to their "proper" order (male boss, female secretary), a German bad guy, a huge, muscly henchman... Looks like they really want to go back to the good ol' days of the franchise, no?

Tuomas, Thursday, 4 December 2014 11:58 (three years ago) Permalink

Looking forward to this, Waltz pretty much born to play a Bond baddie.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 4 December 2014 12:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Looks like they really want to go back to the good ol' days of the franchise, no?

As oppossed to the politically nuanced post-feminist leanings of recent outings?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 4 December 2014 12:42 (three years ago) Permalink

Well they killed off the series' main female character and made the film's main female character, originally an active spy, a one-note-joke secretary so yes, I think it's fair to say Skyfall represented a big step down or backwards or whatever. At least some interesting female characters is all I ask for from SPECTRE. That and a much better film of course.

abcfsk, Thursday, 4 December 2014 12:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Also: James Bond Will Drive A Fiat 500 And Everyone Is Freaking Out

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 December 2014 12:56 (three years ago) Permalink

James Bond Spectre: Lea Seydoux and Monica Bellucci to play leading ladies

(did not know Bellucci lost to Teri Hatcher in Tomorrow Never Dies. Also, WTF?))

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 December 2014 13:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Presumably Bellucci will be playing an antagonist, because she's too old to be a "proper" Bond girl? Though it would be cool if the movie had a romantic interest older than Bond for change (even though the age difference between her and Craig is only 4 years.)

Tuomas, Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:07 (three years ago) Permalink

girl in the last one didn't have much to do except get shot and then quipped at by our Jim.

piscesx, Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:17 (three years ago) Permalink

as long as Waltz strokes a cat, right?

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 December 2014 22:42 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

tasty

http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi3875712537/

piscesx, Thursday, 12 February 2015 09:11 (three years ago) Permalink

I remember there was a thread about the longest film series but can't find it : surely it's Bond, yes ?

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 12 February 2015 15:36 (three years ago) Permalink

well if the "same" production unit has to be involved (ie the Broccolis) i suppose so

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 February 2015 15:57 (three years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

So!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTDaET-JweU

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 15:59 (three years ago) Permalink

I remember there was a thread about the longest film series but can't find it : surely it's Bond, yes ?

7 UP has been going 49 years with the same director and cast!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:01 (three years ago) Permalink

the secret key to longevity is michael apted

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:14 (three years ago) Permalink

"It was me, James. The author of all your pain." That's a p good line.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:36 (three years ago) Permalink

you want Skyfall remake? we got Skyfall remake!

piscesx, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:55 (three years ago) Permalink

None of the Craig Bonds are very memorable, are they? Exciting in the theater, but then kind of a blur afterward, too many locales packed in, too many femme fatales per movie.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:01 (three years ago) Permalink

casino royale is vv memorable imo. I barely remember a thing about quantum of solace except that moment where bond makes all the bad guys feel awkward about using their cell phones or whatever during a theater performance. skyfall is super impressive dumb garbage.

nomar, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:05 (three years ago) Permalink

xxpost -- yeah my girlfriend (a stone cold Bond fan in general, loves the Craig Bonds thoroughly) said similar. In that the series has never had quite this specific an arc, though, it's been interesting to see it play out over four films now, Skyfall itself being the most tangential.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Is this the last Craig Bond?

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:10 (three years ago) Permalink

In that the series has never had quite this specific an arc

closest thing was probably you only live twice/ohmss/diamonds, shame about the bookends there

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Casino Royale is the one I remember the most about, though not much, and it's been the one I haven't seen for the longest. QoS and Skyfall were exciting in the theater, but I remember almost nothing.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:13 (three years ago) Permalink

casino royale might as well be 'bullitt' considering how relatively stripped down it is, though the final act has a fair chunk of padding to say the least. Good padding imo but still...

nomar, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:15 (three years ago) Permalink

is it worth seeing '.. Solace' if you loved the 2 slices of Bond-bread either side? it got such a kicking that i never bothered.

piscesx, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:19 (three years ago) Permalink

CR is still easily the best Bond i've ever seen.

piscesx, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:19 (three years ago) Permalink

QoS is the least essential of the Craig Bond films.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Is this the last Craig Bond?

I think he signed up for two more, so next to last. (Unless it's extended after that -- could be, Roger Moore's run remains the longest at 8 films/12 years and Craig's currently at 4 films/9 years with one more to come, so who knows?)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:27 (three years ago) Permalink

QoS is the least essential of the Craig Bond films.

And yet oddly Spectre is clearly playing on the fact that the escape of the Mr. White character in QoS is a key part of the whole thing; it's been an element of both trailers now. I wonder how much if any direct flashback/explanation they're going to put into the film.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:30 (three years ago) Permalink

QoS I just thought was bad in kind of a boring way, but Skyfall I really hated. My reflexive disgust for the Mendesian pomposity of it was a major contributing factor though I'll admit

Number None, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:39 (three years ago) Permalink

i'd said it elsewhere but i think skyfall, for all its really impressive staging, really diminishes the more you think about it. not just for the gross sexual politics and the half-hearted winks at bond tropes but for the actual stupidity of the characters, and of course the blandness and unoriginality of silva as a villain (in terms of persona, motivation, and execution of his goals) that is only masked by bardem being an incredible actor.

nomar, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:46 (three years ago) Permalink

I didn't mind QoS - it is pretty humourless and brutal, though, and not the traditional kind of crowd-pleasing Bond film. It's Craig's Licence to Kill or For Your Eyes Only, if you like - both of which I have a soft spot for, so. Personally, I thought it looked better than the over-praised Skyfall, too.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:56 (three years ago) Permalink

you want Skyfall remake? we got Skyfall remake!

pretty blatantly On Her Majesty's Secret Service remake, down to the quotes from the original score in this one

regret it? nope. reddit? yep. (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 23:31 (three years ago) Permalink

I've said it before, but the plot of Skyfall is completely nonsensical once you think about it, it's all just an excuse to show pretty locales and cool pictures. Which of course makes it the best Bond in a loooong time. QoS is pretty forgettable, but the scene at the opera is great as mentioned upthread. Especially because Mr White is the only one with the cool to simply stay and slip away with the rest of the audience. Mr White is so amazing, and I only partly say that because I'm such a big fan of Jesper Christensen.

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 July 2015 00:05 (two years ago) Permalink

I think I love the fact that nothing in Skyfall makes sense. Most action films just have plotholes. Skyfall really is one of those rare films that just don't care.

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 July 2015 00:09 (two years ago) Permalink

I bet you're a Prometheus fan

Number None, Thursday, 23 July 2015 00:10 (two years ago) Permalink

I've actually just dvr'ed it. But from what I've seen of it, clips and trailers and such, I think it's ugly. I mean, the point of Skyfall is that it discards plot to focus on imagery.

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 July 2015 00:12 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Well Sam Smith's done the theme tune and it's bloody awful.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 25 September 2015 08:38 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't care for Sam Smith but a Bond 'I Will Survive' kinda works.

abcfsk, Friday, 25 September 2015 09:02 (two years ago) Permalink

Really doesn't imo.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 25 September 2015 10:00 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm not really into Sam Smith, but this seems very dull.

Mark G, Friday, 25 September 2015 10:09 (two years ago) Permalink

It's crap.

aaaaablnnn (abanana), Saturday, 26 September 2015 03:30 (two years ago) Permalink

It's better, not that it's hard to top the Sam Smith doodle. Tomorrow Never Dies's intro rescored with kd lang's song is the best of these.

Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 7 December 2017 21:05 (seven months ago) Permalink

i love that kd lang song

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 December 2017 00:14 (seven months ago) Permalink

I love the Radiohead theme, though I can sort of see why they didn't go with it - you can't really make out the lyrics.

chap, Friday, 8 December 2017 12:09 (seven months ago) Permalink

But yeah the Sam Smith one really is crap.

chap, Friday, 8 December 2017 12:10 (seven months ago) Permalink

The Kd Lang song is nice, yes, but the actual Sheryl Crow theme is one of the best in Bond.

abcfsk, Friday, 8 December 2017 12:11 (seven months ago) Permalink

Really? Not even top 10, tbh.

chap, Friday, 8 December 2017 12:12 (seven months ago) Permalink

Surely there has been a poll for the bond songs, right ?

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 8 December 2017 12:16 (seven months ago) Permalink

I think the much hated post-Goldeneye Brosnan era was strong in terms of themes that were just playful enough and not just Shirley Bassey pastiche ala Adele and Sam.

abcfsk, Friday, 8 December 2017 12:21 (seven months ago) Permalink

A poll would be good

abcfsk, Friday, 8 December 2017 12:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

I'm convinced there's already been one, but I can't find it.

chap, Friday, 8 December 2017 12:30 (seven months ago) Permalink

voilà !

What's the best Bond theme?

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 8 December 2017 12:50 (seven months ago) Permalink

but it's a bit old... might need a re-match

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 8 December 2017 12:50 (seven months ago) Permalink

The rightful winner is shamefully low.

chap, Friday, 8 December 2017 12:55 (seven months ago) Permalink

The Kd Lang song is nice, yes, but the actual Sheryl Crow theme is one of the best in Bond.

― abcfsk, Friday, December 8, 2017 5:11 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 8 December 2017 13:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

I love kd but the sheryl tune has a way better melody, and an actual chorus, whereas the kd is just an (admittedly fun) mess of Bassey pastiche atmospherics

Still better than Smith or Adele though

Imo "license to kill" is the great underrated bond theme

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 8 December 2017 14:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

I somehow don't hate the Smith one but it's still not a contender in the Bond theme sweepstakes

mh, Friday, 8 December 2017 14:44 (seven months ago) Permalink

also the moody string bit after the 2nd chorus on the sheryl is goooorgeous

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 8 December 2017 14:47 (seven months ago) Permalink

I don't understand why they haven't asked Goldfrapp yet, or would that be too obvious?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 8 December 2017 16:10 (seven months ago) Permalink

presumably it's because they look at how much of a profile the act has in the US, unfortunately

mh, Friday, 8 December 2017 16:15 (seven months ago) Permalink

do usa’ers give a fuck about sam smith?

straightedge is just volcel for vegans (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 December 2017 16:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

Right before he performed the SPECTRE theme:
At the 57th Annual Grammy Awards, held on 8 February 2015, at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, Smith performed "Stay with Me" and also received four Grammy Awards: Best New Artist, Record of the Year and Song of the Year (for "Stay with Me") and Best Pop Vocal Album (for In the Lonely Hour)

with a few exceptions (Cornell, maybe) nearly all of the last 20 years of Bond themes has been artists either at their commercial peak in the US, or with a couple top singles within the last year

mh, Friday, 8 December 2017 16:27 (seven months ago) Permalink

they just offer it to whoever got the most solo vocal artist grammy awards half the time

mh, Friday, 8 December 2017 16:27 (seven months ago) Permalink

I assume there's a preference towards acts on Sony labels -- Cornell, Jack White, Alicia Keys, Adele were all on Sony. Sam Smith wasn't.

Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Friday, 8 December 2017 18:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

A View To A Kill is the only one that seems to get regular play as just a pop song from its era. Just heard it played in this restaurant in fact.

El Tomboto, Friday, 8 December 2017 23:12 (seven months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

god that was rubbish

you shoulda killfiled me last year (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 13:54 (six months ago) Permalink

Quite enjoyed it in the cinema, but caught a bit of it on TV last night and wasn't at all impressed.

chap, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 13:56 (six months ago) Permalink

Well.....I mean you've seen mendes other bonds?

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 13:58 (six months ago) Permalink

this was the first Craig one i didn't see on a big screen, landscape porn and booming sound system would've improved the experience but i feel like somebody should've written a story for it

you shoulda killfiled me last year (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 13:58 (six months ago) Permalink

how does anybody fucking waste Christoph Waltz?

you shoulda killfiled me last year (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 13:59 (six months ago) Permalink

only the fact that i was watching it with my mum stopped me from putting my foot thru the telly

you shoulda killfiled me last year (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 13:59 (six months ago) Permalink

incidentally the first episode of McMafia on BBC1 last night was far better than this

you shoulda killfiled me last year (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 14:02 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah I think I went too easy on this one upthread, it's a bad bond. no desire at all to rewatch ever.

Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 14:07 (six months ago) Permalink

there are no good bonds

mark s, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 14:11 (six months ago) Permalink

how does anybody fucking waste Christoph Waltz?


christoph waltz has been wasted in everything except the tarantino movies tbh

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 14:12 (six months ago) Permalink

xp

i'm aware of your rongness on this point

this one was bad enough to make me regret all of them tho

you shoulda killfiled me last year (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 14:12 (six months ago) Permalink

Yeah I caught this last night for the first time and it was laughably bad.

The dreadful lifeless theme tune should have warned me what was to come really.

In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 14:13 (six months ago) Permalink

quite like the song, one of the least rubbish things about the whole experience

you shoulda killfiled me last year (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 14:22 (six months ago) Permalink

Mendes hates Bond it's pretty obvious

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 14:48 (six months ago) Permalink

i found this more diverting than skyfall but it's not very good no

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:07 (six months ago) Permalink

This one def went through a spectacular reversal for me too, from seeing it in the theater & thinking whoa that was p great to rewatching & going ... ok wtf WAS that

(Dave Bautista henchman still great though, that chase was dope)

all that Christoph Waltz/Blofeld backstory was so fkn STUPID grrr it makes me so mad now

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:36 (six months ago) Permalink

Skyfall held up a little better to rewatching, plus it’s shot so gorgeously I get distracted from the silly stuff

But yeah Spectre just annoys me more & more every time I put it on (ive rewatched twice since theatres)

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:38 (six months ago) Permalink

if it helps my pals and i made best sense of this (the equal worst entry in a long series all just as bad) by assuming that everything that happens after the torture scene is only happening in bond's head as he lies unconcious and feverish on the operating table, as will be revealed in the next ep when he wakes up

mark s, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:48 (six months ago) Permalink

it’s the worst thing to hope for bcz god how shit is THAT but tbf i kind of hope it’s true

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:57 (six months ago) Permalink

Did ILX ever poll the best Bond film opening scene? This would be...top half.

nashwan, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:09 (six months ago) Permalink

Bond Pre-Credits Sequences: POLL

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:50 (six months ago) Permalink

for your eyes only robbed imo

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:50 (six months ago) Permalink

I don't even remember the GoldenEye one

Simon H., Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:56 (six months ago) Permalink

006 died (but not really)

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:56 (six months ago) Permalink

that was the one where he caught up to the falling plane, climbed inside and flew away

mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:59 (six months ago) Permalink


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