Nil Creative Impulse (Loops)

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i have had nil creative impulse lately. really, i've had nil impulse to do anything lately. i've been really depressed, but that's normal. all i want to do is lie on the floor and listen to records and drink and maybe smoke. and it sucks. i can't write and whenever i do, all that comes out is gibberish and not even interesting gibberish.

admittedly there's extra-personal stuff going on in my life that i don't really want to get into on ilx, but still: i can't break out of this fucking funk and it's driving me up the wall.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 September 2002 05:17 (twenty-three years ago)

new answers and shit even though we don't have to do that anymore.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 September 2002 05:18 (twenty-three years ago)

i can also tell because my soundtrack is my typical "get the fuck away from me" sndtrk:

the first wu album
method man's tical
gabba comps
geto boys
pil's "theme"

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 September 2002 05:23 (twenty-three years ago)

also, i think i've somehow systematically alienated everyone in my life, online and not, over the last six months. some people actively despise me, most are just indifferent. i mean, people are fucking stupid and all, but this doesn't mean this doesn't bother me. in a lot of ways i feel like i'm at the end of my rope but i'm just living on coffee and speed and massed hatred and unable to actually burn or freak out. it's like some horrid cruise control.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 September 2002 05:25 (twenty-three years ago)

haha sadly i've become too dependent on people to go back to my old total-misanthropy personality!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 September 2002 05:28 (twenty-three years ago)

bummer jess. maybe you just have to face it and go with it while it lasts, my ex used to have this happen, it would go on for months aaarrggghhh but eventually something would turn over somehow and he would come up with some great stuff mainly drawn from the depths he had encountered.
sorry, this isnt really very helpful is it.
try going outside tonight and staring at the skitting clouds, take a drink out there etc and ponder the sky ( wear insect repellant )......gets you off the floor at least.
o dear you just posted more as i typed.
not sounding good there.
you obviously know coffee and speed arent helping, right? been there done that too and the only way i got out of that was to completely change my surroundings and remove self from outside influences........ie: i left the country.

donna (donna), Saturday, 28 September 2002 05:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Yo jess, if I can make it down to Olympia one of these days, I will. I wanna hang out, if you don't mind. Or (if you have the means), you and Nanc are more than welcome to come up here and hang out whenever you want.

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 28 September 2002 05:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess, come here and give me a hug.

then go to nancy and give her a hug

then listen to early kinks smoke dope and dance.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 28 September 2002 05:40 (twenty-three years ago)

i doubt that any of what you're saying has to do with me, but for the record you have not alienated me in the past six months. we don't really talk much on the aim anymore, but that seems to be kind of the way it's going in general (at least from my perspective) - i don't really know what to say to anyone online lately :-( it was nice of you to invite me in the other day!

i would certainly recommend eliminating the speed. possibly the alcohol but i know that's kind of different. it is probably not helping. but speed is definitely no good

ron (ron), Saturday, 28 September 2002 06:59 (twenty-three years ago)

heh i meant speed more in a general forward momentum sense. i don't even know where to get speed anymore, sadly!

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 September 2002 07:05 (twenty-three years ago)

phew!

ron (ron), Saturday, 28 September 2002 07:07 (twenty-three years ago)

don't force yourself on the writing, just keep going on the cofee and listening and yr posting on ILM and relax man. It will get back into place.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 28 September 2002 09:43 (twenty-three years ago)

jess i'll email you later today: i meant to do it this morning but i didn't sleep very well, turnes out i was dreamstalking all of dunedin!! no wonder i'm still tired, that's far

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 28 September 2002 09:47 (twenty-three years ago)

jess, what about nancy, isn't that a good thing?

as you know, i've been through the ringer recently, things have (i think) turned the corner now (still the one *big* thing unresolved but...), but i've really struggled this summer.

i'm westcoasting next spring (provided i survive my eastern seaboard joint)

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 28 September 2002 10:38 (twenty-three years ago)

i think you've been dyno-mite on ilm recently

bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 28 September 2002 11:03 (twenty-three years ago)

don't know abt dyno-mite but he's definetely got rid of his no post rule.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 28 September 2002 13:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Go see the Mandy Moore movie and have your heart melted.

Graham (graham), Saturday, 28 September 2002 15:35 (twenty-three years ago)

hey Jess, cheer up dude!

what do you think of the song by nelly and kelly?

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 28 September 2002 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

haha no more posting while drunk for me.

i stand by everything i said above, although i don't quite think i would have posted it if i hadn't drunk half a bottle of whisky last night.

anyway. yeah, shit's tough, but it's nothing i particularly i want to get into right now on a public forum.

hah, mark, no hurry. i feel like i should send you an update email before you even bother to tackle the last one.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 September 2002 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

oops too late!!

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 28 September 2002 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

haha i just got it! thanks mark. i'll try to reply later; i have to go to target now to shop for a bookshelf.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 September 2002 16:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Coming in late on this -- you haven't alienated me at all! For you are Most Cool, and that is beyond debate. :-) Write if you'd like to chat over whatever, otherwise I will keep sending you good thoughts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 September 2002 21:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Creativity can be made a friend of habit. They say you can never give up a habit, just exchange it for another one. So why not try the following piece of 'habit substitution'?

Whenever you feel the urge or reflex to check ilxOr, take that as an instruction from your muse to sit down and write / compose something more personal / universal instead. Do it for 25 minutes, an hour, whatever. Exaggerate whatever feelings you're having, make them into fictions and personae, externalise and exorcise them.

Then -- and only then -- browse and post. You may feel better quite quickly. You'll certainly feel more productive.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 29 September 2002 01:59 (twenty-three years ago)

coming soon: momus soup for the soul...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Sunday, 29 September 2002 09:38 (twenty-three years ago)

(i have been feeling this way lately, and by 'lately' i mean pretty much since i got laid off this past winter, and i think momus' advice is really good and i am gonna try and heed it.)

(also i wonder if part of this sort of fatigue isn't due to the problem jg ballard mentions here: "I think the enemy of creativity in the world today is that so much thinking is done for you. The environment is so full of television, party political broadcasts and advertising campaigns, you hardly need to do anything. We're just drowning under manufactured fiction, which satisfies our need for fiction - you scarcely need to go and read a novel.")

(and yes, i do see the irony of using a quote to illustrate that particular theory.)

maura (maura), Monday, 30 September 2002 01:14 (twenty-three years ago)

That's about reading (and my guess is that more novels are read today than ever before - we may have TV, but we also have broader literacy and availability) not creating. Might all this stimulation not be more likely to prompt creativity? Again, I'd have guessed that there are more people putting creative things out for consumption by others than ever before. Almost everyone writes or makes music or something, it seems. I know that is partly because of the circles in which I move, but my views are absolutely contrary to this kind of negativity.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 September 2002 16:36 (twenty-three years ago)

manufactured fiction vs. real fiction? oh the levels of irony.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:40 (twenty-three years ago)

yes i know martin, but when i read it i felt it could apply to creating, as well.

i would think that shutting down in the face of overstimulation isn't an uncommon reaction, esp. when so much of that stimulation is nothing more than cheap noise.

congratulations (i guess) on running in a super-creative, high-signal circle, though.

maura (maura), Monday, 30 September 2002 18:23 (twenty-three years ago)

stop ruining my drunken pathos!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 30 September 2002 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Perhaps I should add that I'm not at all creative, and that many of the people I had in mind are those present here - I don't mean I hang out all the time with sculptors and poets.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 September 2002 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah Martin but the people here are not creative neccessarily or might only be accidentally so, i.e. yes many of us are funny imaginative full of ideas etc etc but what we're doing with that (on ILE at least) is creating a kind of closed-loop, only creating our own avoidance-routine drug instead of consuming other media, and then getting high on our own supply so to speak. I think this is why Momus' advice is good.

This is what I think sometimes, anyway. I feel bad too because the direct communication I had with people online - through IM, email etc. - has mostly been replaced by the indirect communication I have on ILE, and I sort of resent ILE for that when it's my fault. But that's really a different story. Also I've been working for 14 hours today and when you're working long hours posting something to ILE is so so so so so much easier than trying to write something 'from scratch' or having a conversation :(

Tom (Groke), Monday, 30 September 2002 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

fourteen years pass...

bump.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 28 August 2017 05:31 (eight years ago)

stand by everything i said above, although i don't quite think i would have posted it if i hadn't drunk half a bottle of whisky last night.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:04 PM (fourteen years ago)

i feel this.

i enjoy reading these voices from the past, including some that are still with us. and i appreciate the ones that are still with us. i make it sound like they died! but for the most part, they no longer speak directly to us, or to me at least.

i haven't made anything in about 2 weeks or a little more. this is a problem because i quit my normal job because i couldn't concentrate on the tasks at hand, and i couldn't concentrate because i had all these other ideas about what i needed to do and make, and not enough off-work and off-sleep hours to make it happen. there's this constant drive to realize something, and it some ways it replaced the religious fervor i used to know when i was younger. i basically splooged my christian pants during a jesus camp when i was 12, and then 13 to 17 was an awful gap, just the worst emptiness. but i started to find meaning again later in high school through trying to make art. i didn't have anyone around me that could show me good art, so i just sat in my room and tried to make something that was new to me, at least. later on i learned that nietzsche went through similar shit, looking for meaning and finding it only in art. why do we live, if we don't believe in heaven? what really matters? what makes us happy? art. we live to see art, to hear it, and to make it. and love, i'd add. ha! "also, love." nietzsche didn't figure that part out because he was an asshole. but for those of us who aren't believers, art and creativity in general assumes an outsized role in the absence of some larger, obvious point to our existence. there's still a desire to live on after you die, but instead of walking the golden paved streets of eternity, you just want to make one single thing, anything, that touches someone apart from you. OR SOMETHING

so when it all goes away, even for a few days, it's fucking terrible, because there's nothing else to replace it. the thought of the afterlife is dusty, and love is something that's outside of your control. but your creativity is the most inside, the thing that can't be replicated or explained (esp by this post, sad lol) or understood by anyone else. it's a kind of alt-holy thing, even if your creativity isn't the kind that is generally appreciated by others, in fact, especially if it isn't appreciated by others. it's your secret that no one can unlock, and it's an actual fountain of youth. your memories will deteriorate, but if the creativity remains you can remake them.

and when it all goes away for a week or two it's terrifying.

also on top of this, the idea that knowledge destroys creativity. you come up with a great idea, only to learn that someone made a living off of it in the 1870s. or that the thing that's ripping you apart was debated at length in the 1950s.

gin! it's a hell of a drink.

Karl Malone, Monday, 28 August 2017 07:28 (eight years ago)


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