airbnb, C or D?

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What should i beware of if i sign up? (to occupy, not host)

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:52 (three years ago) Permalink

Utter classic, the future of holidaying

imago, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:25 (three years ago) Permalink

classic imo. i've only used it once, we rented an awesome little bungalow in austin for a week. i had a great experience.

website is better designed and more usable than competitors (e.g. vrbo, where searching was a fucking pain in the ass and i had to browse luxury listings alongside the budget stuff i was looking for)

beware that different hosts have varying levels of requirements. the lady i rented from was super laid back and relaxed about everything, but some other places i looked into required an entire lease agreement and all sorts of tenant requirements and house rules

marcos, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:30 (three years ago) Permalink

airbnb had some feature where i could browse listings (filtered by any criteria i wanted, e.g. price, amenities, etc) alongside a city map so i could see exactly where the rental was located, it made finding a place in the neighborhood we wanted to stay in really easy

marcos, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:32 (three years ago) Permalink

and imago otm, honestly i kind of feel like i will never stay in a hotel again for a vacation. like in austin i rented it during a conference and for $100 less per night than the conference hotel we had a whole house, backyard, kitchen, living room, etc., and stayed in a great fucking neighborhood

marcos, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:34 (three years ago) Permalink

classic... affordable and you get much better accommodations than if you were to stay in a hotel

chinavision!, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:36 (three years ago) Permalink

maybe sometimes there's an expectation to socialize and 'get to know interesting people' that I don't really enjoy, but you can always just grab keys say thanks and shut the door.

chinavision!, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:40 (three years ago) Permalink

classic. a. and i used it to book a private cabin at a hilltop retreat with a well-water pool outside. we could have stayed at a boring days inn or something for the same price. we're using it again for our seattle visit; it's cheaper than the conference rate at the hotel and we'll have our own apartment.

mary-kate and ashley's roachclip (get bent), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:41 (three years ago) Permalink

ive used them a bunch of times and its always been great, way cheaper than a hotel would be and often in better neighborhoods

no war but glass war (Lamp), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:28 (three years ago) Permalink

unbearable, why am i leaving the comfort of my home if not for a corporately-monogrammed robe, what is this

mustread guy (schlump), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:56 (three years ago) Permalink

but no, great, i'd imagine the only thing you'd be wary of is clarifying that it's as kinda free-standing/domestically un-assimilated as you prefer?

mustread guy (schlump), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:57 (three years ago) Permalink

got it, thx guys

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:00 (three years ago) Permalink

fine, as long as they are fairly assessed and pay the same occupancy/transient/etc. taxes that hotels have to pay to the cities they do business in

sarahell, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:02 (three years ago) Permalink

living next to an unregulated hotel room is kind of a drag, especially if there is any kind of shared or communal space. the og intent--monetize that spare bedroom!--makes perfect sense but enabling ppl to rent a mess of apartments and then airbnb em out to randos is kinda problematic imo

adam, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:05 (three years ago) Permalink

airbnb owns, especially if you have kids tbh

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:07 (three years ago) Permalink

yea, with a small child i could not imagine a vacation in which we are all in one shared room without a kitchen

marcos, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:11 (three years ago) Permalink

I will only be investigating unshared spaces, going solo.

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:29 (three years ago) Permalink

we stayed at a lovely place in islington when we took a vacation to london. location was great, the host had provided alot of amenities and guide books.. even power converters. was also way more attractive price than some wack ass hotel in a bad location.

people should take advantage before the business model gets destroyed by litigation and the big hotel companies. no way they will stand to let these guys host people without regulation, insurance, etc.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 19:25 (three years ago) Permalink

I stayed in the St Pancras clock tower on my birthday, total surprise. Place was fucking awesome so I am firmly in the 'classic' camp.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 19:31 (three years ago) Permalink

Lookin at this for nyc in september good to hear all the posi experiences

treeship's assailing (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:05 (three years ago) Permalink

ok! looked for a air bnb thread a couple of weeks ago and didn't see anything. nice to hear folks are having good experiences. looking forward to using for trips to NOLA and Vancouver in the near future.

condo associations are people my friend (will), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:12 (three years ago) Permalink

airbnb allows me to explore my fantasy of living in various craftsman bungalows throughout the central and western US

marcos, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:15 (three years ago) Permalink

I find it essential for Paris... the equivalent airbnb for a basic hotel room is significantly higher in quality and location.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Used it in NYC and it was p amazing for hardly any money

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 21:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Classic based on my Chicago trip last year.

If I had hands and you had a neck (WilliamC), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 22:39 (three years ago) Permalink

Had a good exp in DC, one-bedroom more than big enough for lil ol' me. She left beers in the fridge I didn't even have time to drink.

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 18:58 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm down with this whole idea but I don't like the idea of turning up in a strange city and the house owner suddenly being absent for some reason. I'm assuming there's some protection for instances of this happening but at least with a hotel there's a sense of security.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 19:33 (three years ago) Permalink

i don't like the thought of the house owner being anywhere near me tbh

fauxpas cola (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 19:39 (three years ago) Permalink

classic - we stayed in a converted garage two blocks from santa monica beach for way way way less than a hotel in the same area. owner lived in the main house but left us alone, place wasn't fancy but had a full kitchen, a large-ish bedroom and living room area that could be partitioned by a heavy curtain, and owner allowed us to bring our dog for no extra fee.

just1n3, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 19:46 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I'm keen to try this but really really don't want to have to even see/socialize/talk to owners

I have friends who host and they are fully into the taking their guests around and showing them the city, hanging out etc and i'm just like nooooooooooooo thank you

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 18:57 (three years ago) Permalink

you can look for the hands-off situations, i never met my host.

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 18:58 (three years ago) Permalink

accidentally airbnb'd in a hippie cult sex drug compound recently

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:03 (three years ago) Permalink

I didn't get much sleep due to didgeridoo

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:05 (three years ago) Permalink

uh oh I'm having to recount the entire affair, please

imago, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:06 (three years ago) Permalink

uh that's offputting

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:07 (three years ago) Permalink

it's a really funny story but was a huge inconvenience at the time, I'll prob post abt it on 77 at some point

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:08 (three years ago) Permalink

it was prob worse than what a stereotypical bad sketch comedy bit on airbnb would be

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:09 (three years ago) Permalink

sorry to speak all cryptically, just wanted to say that I have had great experiences w/ airbnb but I now know that it's possible to accidentally book a hippie cult sex drug compound

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Used it again this weekend to book a place in Austin. Great experience, as always.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:15 (three years ago) Permalink

please tell story on 77 xp

marcos, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:16 (three years ago) Permalink

there's at least one airbnb place on every block near my house, in a city with a hugely depleted stock of rental properties and already-skyrocketing rents and ten million billion hotel rooms. i find this problematic.

adam, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:30 (three years ago) Permalink

I just booked a big farmhouse in NH for a week. The rate is so cheap I'm wondering if there might be a (n unpleasant) surprise awaiting our arrival. THe owner seems super chill and didn't have any problem with the fact that our party will include 8+ kids. should i be concerned?

tobo73, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:20 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm keen to try this but really really don't want to have to even see/socialize/talk to owners

I have never socialised (or even had the opportunity to socialise) with a host. Sometimes you meet them at check-in/out, sometimes you don't see them at all.

popchips: the next snapple? (seandalai), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 20:36 (three years ago) Permalink

the whole airbnb thing just seems like a big ugly mess just waiting to happen... like an ideal scenario for unsavory people to take advantage of others.

Darin, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 21:53 (three years ago) Permalink

that's what they said about christianity, maaaan

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 22:03 (three years ago) Permalink

........

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 22:03 (three years ago) Permalink

yep, proceed with caution, as always.

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 22:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Problem with Airbnb is that people can be unwilling to write bad reviews or point out bad parts of a trip if they've gotten to know the owner

I know that when you review you can tell the owner stuff in private

But who knows if the owners ever actually act on it

, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 23:48 (three years ago) Permalink

i've used airbnb with a lot of success

the situation in vancouver is that you're turning a residential/condo building into a hotel, and there are strata regulations against that. homeowners are also being taxed differently due to not reporting that they will be using their property for short-term rentals. there's also the tearing of a community by installing what is essentially a hotel in a residential zone

having said all that, the problem, specifically in vancouver, lies in the fact that airbnb rentals are a lot cheaper than hotels or other short-term rental solutions

F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 12 September 2016 18:20 (one year ago) Permalink

>if i decided to fuck my apartment up and stop paying rent it would probably take my landlord months to get rid of me.

yes. this. took half a year and even then she only left because we weren't letting her walk all over us, we never actually succeeded with an actual eviction after two tries. she also (in addition to not-paying rent) had pets she was just letting destroy the place and a bf that moved in (couldn't legally say anything about that!) who'd she get into constant screaming matches with followed by door slamming/frame destroying tantrums that would terrify our child. and again, the LTB could not give a fuck about her terrifying our kid and inviting her deadbeat boyfriend into our house without our consent. we cannot charge deposit here either so we will likely have to eat the cost of the damage her and her fucking cats (can't say no to pets) and boyfriend caused as well. plus all the fees it costs at the board and now (ongoing) small claims.
so now it's either Air BnB or nothing. we'd rather have trouble making ends meet than ever be at the mercy of the LTA again.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 12 September 2016 18:21 (one year ago) Permalink

lol at my reddit formatting. whoops!

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 12 September 2016 18:21 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I'm bumping this so I can find it on zing! - the bookmark didn't seem to work - But I desperately need advice to plead bear with me.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 13:48 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm staying for 21 night in Ibiza and have been here 9 days so far. The hostess is a highly strung (to put it mildly) French woman who had told me of quite fiercely for - amongst other things - closing doors too loudly and leaving the bathroom light on. Fair to correct someone but this is quite unpleasant. Today I got told off for flushing the toilet too much today 😳 ok? 4 times in one morning she had told me. She also told me she was about to put on a washing and "hoped it could be a half load" because I was using so much water. And her tone is getting increasingly unreasonable.

I need to go back to pre-arrival though:- here's how I fucked up in the beginning. I asked by Airbnb message for her address and postal code or equivelant one week before arrival three days later she replied by email (not on the air bnb message system - she had asked for my email address) saying that the address listed on the air bnb website was not correct and that the actual address was this - and gave me another address quite near actually one street away. Now I think she waited until 4 days prior to my arrival because she had a moderate cancellation policy and that if I wanted to cancel I had to do it 5 days before to get a refund. I should have taken it through Airbnb right then but I'm a first time user and didn't want to have nowhere at all to stay although i was worried. She told me to go to the new address and the person who was checking me in would meet me outside the building which she did ( a friend of hers). Now, The new address 44 via romana was not the correct address either. There is a 44 but her flat is at 46! She wouldn't give me the buzzer number and I had to meet her friend outs this doubly incorrect address.

She told me she had the wrong address listed because it is illegal to let an air bnb on Ibiza (this is not correct as I'd researched it) I suspect it's because she's illegally subletting.

Should I take it directly through air bnb or try to reaolve? I already feel like I'm treading on eggshells here. also there's another person staying here (also French) and this French woman said the host told her her name is Ciara not Clodia ( as I call her) she has the different rooms of the flat listed under different names with different accounts.

I've no idea what to do and would prefer to move or come home. But I can't afford to move as everywhere else is fully booked other than significantly more expensive places or hotels and flights back are LOADS right now.

Thanks for reading this. I could say much more but I'm posting from my phone so ask me anything you need clarification on.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 13:58 (one year ago) Permalink

I have no advice but I hope you're alright. I would spitefully take a massive shit in her toilet and not flush it "to save water" before leaving if it was me.

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 14:06 (one year ago) Permalink

And ps I don't have enough money in my bank accounts to pay for new accommodation or a return flight. I have euros to spend here and cash in the bank enough to cover my uk bills and a bit extra.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 14:08 (one year ago) Permalink

I have actually been using the loo a lot because this is giving me a bit of a nervous/anxious tummy.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 14:09 (one year ago) Permalink

sounds like a really shitty situation, that sucks dude. honestly though i would just tough it out and spend as little time as possible at the place, avoid her as much as you can, and try to have fun in ibiza. in less then two weeks this will all be over

marcos, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 14:18 (one year ago) Permalink

Document everything sketchy and then file a complaint with airbnb right now at an elevated/emergency status.
The giving of the wrong address and the emailing outside of their system are huge red flags for them and they should respond accordingly. Make sure to let them know the sensitivity of the situation.

They may be able to partially refund your payment and (help you) find alternative housing in the area.

Worst case is you have to stay put but you're in Ibiza... Plenty of things to do away from the crash pad.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 15:23 (one year ago) Permalink

ya, i would think they'd make some effort to get you somewhere else. did this woman have a decent rating? this can't be the first time she's pulled all this.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 15:34 (one year ago) Permalink

Thanks for all the feedback. She has decent ratings but very few over a long period (like 5 or so since the beginning of 2015) and one very negative concerning the hygeine of the flat, which I have no issue with.

The thing is I think she is using multiple profiles in the same flat and I can't seem to find her other listings (although I had seem them previously) so her negative ratings, if she has them, must be spread across them.

Thanks for all the advice. It is Ibiza but it's rainy af right now so I think I'll write down everything that has happened on pagesso that I can fire off an email to support very quickly if the situ worsens.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 15:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Will try not to use loaded language about her been French or highly-strung haha.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 15:58 (one year ago) Permalink

i didn't even think about Airbnb for my London trip, bcz being surprised with stuff like this would be bad enough domestically.

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 16:00 (one year ago) Permalink

"on pagesso that" should read "on pages, so that"

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 16:01 (one year ago) Permalink

True, morbs.

Although you could maybe look for someone with EXTREMELY positive ratings.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 16:01 (one year ago) Permalink

I searched a different way (without dates, although the app doesn't lend itself to you doing that) and found all four of her profiles - there are only three rooms in the flat fwiw, one is listed twice under two different names.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 16:22 (one year ago) Permalink

sounds like she's fucking at it. I've been on the receiving end of airbnb bullshit before (lack of comms leading to last minute cancellation) and it is stressful af ! hope you get this sorted x

self-clowning cozen of ILX (cozen), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 16:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Aye I think she might be! cozen, would your advice be to bypass her and go straight to Airbnb now?

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 16:37 (one year ago) Permalink

two options, I think

1. dingy her as best you can and just try to have ur best holiday, staying away from the apt as much as possible. appreciate this is difficult if she is a super on edge type & ur all cooped up w/the rain etc.

2. raise a support ticket w/airbnb, outlining all the irregularities and difficulties in your message to them & stressing the potential precarity of your situation. don't think it's beyond the pale to stress tht she's not being particularly welcoming host either. ask if they can support you by helping to locate another room or whatever

self-clowning cozen of ILX (cozen), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 16:45 (one year ago) Permalink

not mutually exclusive those options of course

self-clowning cozen of ILX (cozen), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 16:46 (one year ago) Permalink

Seems very stupid of this woman to be horrible to someone who is in a position to expose her prohibited by airbnb at best, illegal at worst activities!

chap, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 16:48 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't have any experience of contacting/relying airbnb support however so can't say how responsive or helpful they are sorry

self-clowning cozen of ILX (cozen), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 16:52 (one year ago) Permalink

They're pretty good ime.

chap, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 16:54 (one year ago) Permalink

jed, email or call Airbnb now!! My neighbors went on vacation and their reserved apartment was mysteriously unavailable when they got there (I forget what happened), and they complained and Airbnb put them up in a hotel within a matter of hours!!

If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 17:00 (one year ago) Permalink

AND refunded their money I think!

If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 17:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah two points - one is they are collecting a substantial fee from your booking and thus their help is a service you are paying for. Two, is that it's essential this woman be reported to prevent others having the same bad experience, particularly if she's gaming the system with the multiple profiles and fake addresses.

MatthewK, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 17:05 (one year ago) Permalink

Multiple profiles and fake (ok, obfuscated) addresses is an inherent element of Airbnb's business plan.

everything, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 18:09 (one year ago) Permalink

I was away from wifi and on limited roaming data so thanks for all of your advice. I wouldn't like to exaggerate the precariousness here. And I've already been contacted by a friend (who saw this thread, thanks) and who has offered to help me out with flight arrangements if it comes to that which I'm sure it won't!

I'm going to compose this email now and then head out for a drink!

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 18:33 (one year ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
eleven months pass...

Staying at an airbnb and woke up this morning and met the host, and he said you are a foreigner, and where I'm from its tradition to give a foreign guest a shot of vodka.

I said thats great, and he said well i wont be back till very late, so then he poured me out a huge glass of vodka, said you'll enjoy your day now, then he jumped in his car and drove to work

anvil, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:08 (four months ago) Permalink

lol

imago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:11 (four months ago) Permalink

are you going to drink it?

ogmor, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:13 (four months ago) Permalink

burps

anvil, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:16 (four months ago) Permalink

time to have an incredible day!

ogmor, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:22 (four months ago) Permalink

I too am interested in enjoying my day

Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:29 (four months ago) Permalink

didn't realise it was that easy #lifehacks

Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:29 (four months ago) Permalink

and where I'm from its tradition to give a foreign guest a shot of vodka.

So where's he from?

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:39 (four months ago) Permalink

He is from Nigeria!

I had a little bit of it but most of the glass is now in the fridge for this evening. having said that, a little bit of a huge glass....isnt that much of a little bit, when i'm trying to do some work!

anvil, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:03 (four months ago) Permalink

Very nice!

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:05 (four months ago) Permalink

I have just arrived at another airbnb. the host has left me a bottle of wine in the room. there are two glasses

anvil, Saturday, 30 September 2017 01:33 (four months ago) Permalink

well if you break one

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:05 (four months ago) Permalink

Drink both of course

calstars, Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:15 (four months ago) Permalink

that doesn't even make sense.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:35 (four months ago) Permalink

leave a review pointing out that the you've come to expect a Jon Bonham Breakfast and this wine nonsense is unacceptable

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:37 (four months ago) Permalink

"All this wine nonsense! You get all these wine people don’t you? You know, wine this, wine that!. Let’s have a bit of red; let’s have a bit of white! Oooh that’s a snazzy bouquet! Oooh this smells of... I don’t know, basil! Sometimes you just want to say ‘sod all this wine just give me a pint of mineral water’."

black cress (jed_), Monday, 2 October 2017 10:36 (four months ago) Permalink

had my first repeat AirBNB stay. there's one place for like $30 in Ybor City where they just give you codes to get in and out and the owners aren't there. good for when I'm going to get drunk at a show, Uber-able distance.

feel like I'm going to start leaving cryptic clues each time I stay there

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 00:33 (four months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

"Detroit just banned Airbnb without anyone knowing it" https://detroit.curbed.com/2018/2/8/16991266/detroit-banned-airbnb-zoning

marcos, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:45 (one week ago) Permalink

awesome!!

I wish I knew more about the legal issues and technological issues around information sharing of tax documents. I feel like it should be possible for cities to be able to get copies of the 1099 forms that Airbnb gives to its "hosts" and then develop better systems for collecting business tax from them. And if that enforcement and collection results in higher rates or less profits for Airbnb, then fine. But I feel like it's screwing cities out of hotel tax revenue and also creating unfair competition with actual hotels because Airbnb isn't paying its fair share of local business taxes.

sarahell, Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:43 (one week ago) Permalink

i guess they aren't enforcing it https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2018/02/09/detroit-airbnb-ban/322991002/

marcos, Friday, 9 February 2018 17:17 (one week ago) Permalink


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