Girls without makeup vs girls with makeup

Its all part of the "game" though, man searches for woman. Men don't have to bother, they just have to talk the talk.

but, you know, sometime she's put some on for effect! -r-ROWR.

I went out Latin dancing with someone a few weeks back and she commented that it was kind of fun to smell the various perfumes that many people there were wearing. I have to admit, I kind of enjoy coming home from dancing, taking off my shirt, and noticing that it smells of perfume. Perhaps in the context of night club sensory overload it works. But as a general rule, none--or be very subtle. Also, since I have very sensitive sinuses, sometimes perfume actually irritates me. And some of the cheap stuff has some very unsavory ingredients, from what I've heard.

I used to think I was much more anti-makeup than pro-. These days I would say that it depends, but overall I think I still prefer either no makeup or minimal makeup. I have to admit that a touch of it can improve the appearance of some faces, but I really enjoy seeing a "naked" female face, generally speaking.

Perfume -- depends very very much on the perfume, particularly since I dislike floral scents which haven't been blended enough, patchouli, and ylang-ylang, which pretty much strikes most of women's fragrances right there. Not enough women seem to have any sense of what perfume works for them, as opposed to what was well-marketed, but they're still worlds better at it than men.

Because that was the 1980s, and now is now.

Still, the dumbfounding part of some people's feelings on this topic is the way it's always just assumed that putting it on is a chore and that there's no possible way a person might be doing it because they enjoy it. That's ridiculous. Might as well tell people that there's no possible way they could be enjoying choosing the clothes they wear or the way a good shower makes them feel.

anyway this thread reminds me of that particular strip -- this issue really ain't as black and white as the 'dud dud dud'ders might make out.

and also before you all call me on my feminist claims in other threads -- good lord, wearing makeup is FUN, especially if it's the glitter eye-stick that urban decay just put out or lip glass by MAC, which tastes like honey and is just as lip-sticky.

I used to be a makeup addict--one summer I spent around $2,000 at the Stila counter.

I mainly wear make-up for the same reason as Kim - without it people often think I'm unwell.

I've been theorising on the chastity-belt properties of lipstick lately though as I've never been tempted to kiss a girl with lipstick on. Eeuck - sticky and yuck.

it's a very strong urge but so far I have fought it.

i fukking hate the "natural" look. the "natural" look of makeup probbly involves more makeup than the "too much" makeup look. i wear no make-up, except for rare ocassions when i'm on stage and want to look ridiculous, so i slap on some blue lipstick and a wig. perfume smells gross, whether on men or women.

Di makes good points about class, but I don't think this version on its own allows for the insecurity end of the continuum.

Q: Why do women wear perfume and make up?
A: Because they stink and they're ugly

Don't shoot the messenger

Eventually people would never refer to me by name, they would call me 'the face'. I always hated this. The worst bit wasn't putting the stuff on every morning, but having to spend ages removing it at the end of the day. I used to spend lots of money on this make-up every month, and use quite expensive brands whenever possible. I was completely obsessed, I would never go out without my 'face' on. One day, I went out for a walk in the hot sunshine. It got so hot and sticky that my mascara and eyeliner started to melt, and I looked like a panda. Then unexpectedly, it rained very heavily and I was completely soaked to the skin. The heavy foundation and powder washed away, and the thick, dramatic eye make-up ran and smeared my face black. I looked like a chimney sweep. I ran through the rain to my boyfriend's house. When I got there he did not recognise me at first. When he did, he let me in out of the rain. I went straight to the sink and washed the whole lot off with a strong bar of soap.

Looking at my bare but sparkling-clean face, I realised that this was an improvement. I looked natural and healthy, not tarty and fake. My boyfriend, who was seeing my face for the first time without my slap, was astonished and told me I looked far more beautiful without it. From that day onwards, I have never worn any make-up at all. I realised that make-up is a mask, and my natural beauty is more appealing to men than my artificial face. Girls, wash-off your make-up and show the world your true beauty. It is far more appealing than a clown's face. There is so much more to envy in a natural face, than a chemical one.

I gathered together my entire make-up collection and distributed it among my friends. Now my friends are not embarrassed by me anymore, and men don't treat me like I'm an easy shag. I get the respect that I deserve. I can just wash my face in the morning and go! It's so easy and so much cheaper.

N., what does that grate comment mean?

By not wearing make-up I save myself money and time. Make-up is so expensive and overrated. It might improve an ugly girl marginally, but it's certainly not a miracle-worker. It can't turn Bette Midler into Julia Roberts. It's also smelly, gloopy and horrid. There are so many pretty girls, who wear the stuff thinking that it makes them look better. When it actually makes them look worse. Especially eyeliner, mascara and blue eyeshadow, it looks so cheap and nasty.

My grandmother never wore make-up and was still a beautiful woman at the age of 87. I believe in what she always told me about make-up: it's an invention of the devil.

People respond very favourably to a clean, stylish, classically groomed woman. Why do you think Bond Girls are so popular? Because they epitomise glamour and femininity, like all women should. No woman should be afraid of make-up, it is our ultimate weapon against men. Looking your best 100% of the time, gives you confidence and a feeling of being able to take on the world. It also makes you popular with men as well. No man wants to date a poorly groomed baglady with a plain face, they want sexiness, glamour, sophistication.

There are too many women who are lazy and won't make the effort. It's time they started to.

"ultimate weapon"?
what, do you wear poison lipstick?

If this is the case, then The Devil really needs to bring back his Bonne Bell lip pencil in "natural tawny", like poste haste.

That's supposed to be an argument against makeup?

But as I learned from growing up with copies of Allure
scattered around the house, if you apply makeup correctly it looks
like you're not wearing makup.

"WELL,"

the crowd roared,

"WHY NOT SKIP APPLYING MAKEUP IN THE FIRST PLACE?"

"Because," the little man replied, "I didn't say you can't
notice a difference. It makes you look healthier, happier,
glowing. More attractive. That's the point isn't it They
do it for the cinema stars, dear."

"YOU SIR, ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM, AND NOT THE SOLUTION.
MAKEUP IS LIKE NYLONS AND LEG SHAVING: IT WAS INVENTED BY
MALES TO MAKE US THEIR HELPLESS PLAYTHINGS."

"But, but, men used to wear makeup too."

"SHUT UP."

i also know girls who are prettier with make up than other girls without makeup. some of those girls are even prettier without makeup, some aren't.

i know girls without makeup who are not as pretty as other girls with makeup. some of those girls are even less pretty with makeup, some aren't.

i also know girls who are not as pretty with make up as other girls without makeup. some of those girls are even less pretty without makeup, some aren't.

depends on the girl, i guess. and the makeup.

as shown on scattergraph above, there is no conclusive correlation between prettiness and the amount of makeup worn. (prettiness of the samples without makeup are included in the graph for reference)

I'm really pleased about that. When all the girls at school were using make-up for the first time, and making terrible mistakes with it, resulting in laughs from the boys, I was one of the few girls who wasn't called names. Boys appreciated my natural, healthy look. They always hated kissing the other girls and getting gooey lipgloss or lipstick over their lips. Some girls were so vain they would never let their guys kiss them, in case their lipstick got smudged and they would have to re-apply.

I thought the girls looked silly with their orange, foundation-caked faces. I also found the clumpy, spidery mascara look very scary. The girls would put loads of make-up on their faces before they came to school, then they would go into the toilets at lunchtimes and basically double-up on everything they had used that morning. They used cheap glittery eyeshadows, in horrid shades of green which they thought looked pretty, but really looked hideous. The eyeliner was always very thick and exaggerated. They put loads of the stuff on for school photographs. I saw a school photo the other day and really laughed.

The girls all made fun of me for not wearing make-up in the photos, a few even 'kindly' offered to put some make-up on for me. But I refused. I looked better in those mugshots than they did. Boys loved the fact that I didn't wear any slap, that I didn't spend hours getting ready to go out, or refuse to let them touch my face or kiss me. As an added bonus, my skin always looked clean and glowing. The other girls got spots and blackheads because they were wearing so much stuff on their faces. So, I never grew up with make-up and never used it. I have never relied on it for confidence, so I don't wear any now. I never wear any make-up at all.

I don't think there is anything wrong with wearing make-up as long as it's done tastefully. But, I don't wear the stuff myself-even though I'm perfectly capable of affording it now.

how does this work?

I work in a factory, and there is no point getting glammed up just to work there. I have to get up early to work, so I'm too tired and lazy to bother with make-up. Besides, my favourite actress Gwyneth Paltrow walks around New York without make-up on all the time, and she looks good. People have told me that I am naturally pretty without any cosmetic help, so I think I will follow in Gwyneth's footsteps.