Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

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The poll closing date is the Ant-Man film's premiere date, 10 weeks after Avengers 2, the beginning of Phase 3.

Anticipation threads for individual movies will happen as they always do, but it seems reasonable to have a catch-all thread for the MCU.

Stan Lee cameos: threat or menace?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe

discuss, et cetera

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Classic 69
Dud 63


WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Going to see Captain America 2 tonight - I caught the first one on Netflix and it was way better than I expected.

Avengers was a lot of fun in the theater, but I haven't watched it again. Not sure it would hold up at home.

Not a big fan of the Iron Man movies - RDJ's charisma is outweighed by every other element being dull.

Classic just for doing better than the non-MCU properties and waaaaaaaay better than DC.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:45 (four years ago) Permalink

It's quite a thing, spending hundreds of millions to make billions, and basing it all on superhero comics and boomer nostalgia. But they've managed to produce some reasonably good action films so far. My bias is based on Marvel Zombie status dating to 1972, but I try to be clear-eyed with dissenting views.

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:51 (four years ago) Permalink

Dud, both for the passable-at-best movies and for the concept itself.

Simon H., Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:52 (four years ago) Permalink

I guess the nostalgia is not limited to boomers, though. xp

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:52 (four years ago) Permalink

The current crop are pretty classic (though classic seems too strong, tbh). I like the way the serialized, cross-property roll-out parallels the comics. Lots of titles, different takes on familiar characters, largely fun and competent, not totally stupid, thus far really well cast.

I also like the first two Singer X-Men movies a lot, or at least did at the time. Wish those and the FF were part of the official family. But Spider-man, I've got no problem letting him dangle.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 April 2014 21:11 (four years ago) Permalink

just inoffensive and mediocre enough to be broadly popular

Popture, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Rebooting Spider-man so soon after the other trilogy is easily the worst thing about this.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:17 (four years ago) Permalink

Spider-Man isn't part of the MCU.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:18 (four years ago) Permalink

I thought that was a Marvel comic.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Ah, rtfa, gotcha.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:22 (four years ago) Permalink

It is, but the MCU refers specifically to the properties controlled by Marvel Studios. Sony has movie rights to Spider-Man and Fox has the rights to X-Men stuff. It's kinda convoluted. xp

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:23 (four years ago) Permalink

This sums things up quite nicely
http://jonnegroni.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/dnxshsd.png?w=700&h=560p

tsrobodo, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:35 (four years ago) Permalink

But also worth noting that the previous Punisher, Blade, and Daredevil movies and Ang Lee's Hulk don't count. A situation so convoluted it could've only been whipped up by people in the mainstream comics industry.

Surprise, It's My Butt (Old Lunch), Sunday, 6 April 2014 23:59 (four years ago) Permalink

Milo summation otm

recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Monday, 7 April 2014 00:51 (four years ago) Permalink

Good luck making a megafranchise out of Namor and Man-Thing, Universal and Lionsgate!

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:14 (four years ago) Permalink

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I dip in and out now as a 33-year-old and still enjoy them, but I've kind of lost interest in following the ins and outs of the Marvel comic-book universe. What I admire most about the Marvel movies is that they've taken the core things I loved about the characters I read as a kid and put them more or less wholesale on the screen.

Certainly, not all of them are great or even particularly good in some cases - I don't need to see Hulk, Iron Man 2 or Thor 2 again - but to me they all seem to have a level of affection for and understanding of the characters which in itself is actually pretty unusual for comic-book movies. Man of Steel is probably the worst example of this - everyone involved seemed actively embarrassed to be making movie about Superman - but there are plenty of others, like Bruce Wayne just straight-up giving up on being Batman for years in TDKR or Sandman turning out to be Uncle Ben's killer in Spider-Man 3.

If I was 12 years old now, I'd be thrilled that every six months I could go to the movies and see an excitingly-realised, generally faithful representation of the comics I loved on the screen. At 33, I enjoy them as fun action movies with an unusually ambitious shared-world underpinning which are for the most part way more coherent than other giant summer pictures.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:37 (four years ago) Permalink

In a interview with Total Film, Iron Man 3 co-writer and All Hail the King writer-director Drew Pearce mentioned seeing Damage Control as a possible Marvel One-Shot film.

If this actually happened it would make the whole enterprise worthwhile regardless of any other concerns imo

soref, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:52 (four years ago) Permalink

I've enjoyed most of the MCU movies, and I agree that the heroes have mostly been perfectly cast... But like I said in the Winter Soldier thread, I think probably the biggest flaw in these movies is that the villains have mostly been rather bland. It seems that the MCU has followed the lead of the Nolan Batman movies in that they try to make the villains "realistic" and gritty, i.e. that their origins are explained by "science", there's no magic or cosmic powers etc involved, they don't wear funky villains costumes, they don't have over-the-top despotic personalities, and so on... But this means the villains have mostly been corrupt businessmen or politicians, tough dudes in armor and/or with cybernetic parts, or (like Batroc in the new Cap movie) just your regular action movie thugs with some special martial arts moves, all of which are pretty boring. So while they've managed to turn memorable comic book heroes into memorable movie characters, the same hasn't really happened with the villains.

The biggest exception to the above is Loki, who benefits from the fact that Thor's setting is not "realistic" in any way, so they couldreally make him larger than life, No wonder they had Loki as the main antagonist in the Avengers movie (yeah, I know, he was the first Avengers villain in the comics too, but no one forced them to follow that pattern), since he's pretty much the only true & memorable supervillain they've done so far. But hopefully this'll change with upcoming Guardians and Dr. Strange movies, and when Ultron and Thanos turn up in Avengers... There's no way you could make those villains "realistic", so I hope they won't even try.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:39 (four years ago) Permalink

So far generally more towards the classic side, though I fear diminishing returns may set in soon unless they find some way of upping the already pretty massive stakes*. I like the ambition of having a network of narratively connected mega-budget films, it's something that has never been done before at all (unless you buy into the Unified Theory of Pixar, ha).

And I echo the point made above that pre-teen me would have loved the shit out of this, which is a fair indication they've been doing their job.

*I think a major character's death would help with this, but would they dare?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 10:44 (four years ago) Permalink

An interesting poll might be the MCU vs the Dark Knight trilogy. Had a long and repetitive debate in the pub on Friday about just that.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 10:46 (four years ago) Permalink

xp I'm pretty certain they'll kill Chris Evans and replace him as Captain America with Sebastian Stan. It's already laid out clearly in the comics and Evans is only signed up for six movies, which will be up after the next Cap / Avengers movies.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:47 (four years ago) Permalink

I guess that's possible... It was interesting that they didn't really resolve Bucky's plot arc in any way in the new Cap movie, so it seems they definitely have some future plans for him.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:54 (four years ago) Permalink

Well, Sebastian Stan's signed up for nine movies and he's only been in two, so...

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:54 (four years ago) Permalink

Bucky's a way more interesting character than Cap, so I think it would do the MCU good to replace him in a few years - how much more mileage could they really wring out of Evans's essential goodness after two more movies?

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:57 (four years ago) Permalink

Though if they kill anyone, I think it'll be Tony Stark. Downey it already starting to feel a bit old for the role, and I don't think he has too many movies left in his contract either? Plus there's comic book precedent too for another dude replacing him inside the armor, and that other dude is already a major supporting character in the movies. (The only problem with this is that they cast Don Cheadle as Rhodey, and he's as old as Downey is.)

(xxpost)

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:59 (four years ago) Permalink

and he's as old as Downey is

So, er, not very old.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:02 (four years ago) Permalink

I think the Downey Problem is going to be make-or-break for the whole enterprise. The MCU is basically built on his charisma - if the first Iron Man had failed they would have been fucked for real. Downey's said he knows he can't (and doesn't want to) play Tony forever, and I think they'll have to recast Stark rather than replace him as Iron Man, at least in the long term. I don't think they'll kill him, but I'll be interested to see how they get around the inevitable problem of actors moving on for one reason or another. They're really in uncharted waters here - there's never been an interrelated movie universe where beloved actors will have to be replaced eventually.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:04 (four years ago) Permalink

and he's as old as Downey is

So, er, not very old.

I dunno, he's still 10 to 20 years older than the other actors, except for Ruffalo... And with Hulk the guy playing isn't as important, they've already changed him twice.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:08 (four years ago) Permalink

"with Hulk the guy playing Banner"

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:09 (four years ago) Permalink

First Iron Man movie was good. Strong story and clever lines. Everything else I've seen has been middling. I do like that they got Kenneth Branagh to do the first Thor movie -- that was a clever choice.

qwop zapatos (abanana), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:12 (four years ago) Permalink

Tuomas mostly OTM upthread about the MCU villains so far. I don't think the issue is so much that they've tried to 'grittify' them, though, so much as the rogue's galleries of the heroes who've starred in movies so far just aren't very deep or exciting or Marvel don't own the rights to best of them. Like, an Iron Man vs Doctor Doom movie could be aces but will never happen if Fox have any say in the matter. Whiplash just isn't on the same level.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:39 (four years ago) Permalink

I think Avengers is the best so far, as it should've been.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:39 (four years ago) Permalink

True, but they haven't really done a good job with the rogues galleries' they do have available either... Like, the Mandarin thing in Iron Man 3 was a clever plot twist, but that just meant the real bad guy was yet another corrupt business type. (Obviously they couldn't use the comic book Mandarin as he was originally conceiced, since he's a Fu Manchu style racist stereotype, but they could've made him into a R'as al Ghul style righteous terrorist or something, and make him have actual superpowers.) And one of the reasons Thor 2 was worse than Thor 1 is because they Malekith into a totally generic baddie, even though the comic book Malekith is a cool villain (a gende-bending shapeshifter elf), and they even had a good actor playing him. That was a total waste of what could've been a potentially great villain.

(xpost)

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:47 (four years ago) Permalink

There was a lot of talk around the release of Thor 2 that Malekith had suffered at the expense of reshoots which expanded Loki's role in response to universal admiration for Hiddleston. They definitely did a terrible job with Malekith and Kurse; I wonder if they were less dull in the original plan for the movie.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:53 (four years ago) Permalink

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I dip in and out now as a 33-year-old and still enjoy them, but I've kind of lost interest in following the ins and outs of the Marvel comic-book universe. What I admire most about the Marvel movies is that they've taken the core things I loved about the characters I read as a kid and put them more or less wholesale on the screen.

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I still passionately read massive amounts of comics as a 33+-year-old [I spent $770 just on posting comics home to myself in two months in the US last year] and the Marvel comic-book universe can eat my balls. What I admire least about the Marvel movies is the way they make literal billions of dollars and return none of this to the people that created these IP or wrote the specific stories the films are based on.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:59 (four years ago) Permalink

Plus, if they don't want to limit themselves to "canonical Iron Man villains" or "canonical Cap villains", there's a whole bunch of cool Avengers they could use: Kang the Conqueror! Count Nefaria! Masters of Evil! Korvac! The Absorbing Man And Titania! It definitely seems to be like they've decidedly used the more "realistic" villains, and left out the ones with more fantastic powers and larger-than-life personalities.

(xxpost)

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Def. pisses me off that Stan Lee gets a cameo in the new Cap America movie, a character he had nothing to do w/ creating

Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:03 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't think Kirby or Simon were available

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:08 (four years ago) Permalink

sic, are you objecting to the MCU on the grounds of lack of monetary compensation for creators or because you don't enjoy them as movies? I'm not disagreeing with the former - I think it's utterly shameful - but I wasn't clear on the latter from what you wrote.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:09 (four years ago) Permalink

Ah, this debate again.

Anyway, Loki def. the only villain with presence thus far in these films. Which is odd, because I think they did a good job with the Spider-man villains so far (at least with the Raimi ones), and X-Men villains. Maybe it's just a matter of casting the right actor? Like, Red Skull is a great villain, but maybe Hugo Weaving was not the best choice? But then, Iron Man has faced nothing but generic baddies so far, actors be damned. Didn't Thor fight a giant robot in the first movie?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:11 (four years ago) Permalink

What I admire least about the Marvel movies is the way they make literal billions of dollars and return none of this to the people that created these IP or wrote the specific stories the films are based on.

While I agree that this is shitty, it's pretty much the standard practice with all entertainment franchises, no? Like, does the guy who wrote the original Wrath of Khan screenplay get any royalties from the Star Trek: Into Darkness? I doubt he does.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:12 (four years ago) Permalink

There's a rumour that Gerry Conway is banned from the premiere of the new Spider-man film, despite it apparently being based on one of his most famous issues.

(Google suggests this might now be resolved after the director took the issue to Sony.)

Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Monday, 7 April 2014 12:38 (four years ago) Permalink

I've enjoyed at least a third of these movies.

So, dud.

Eric H., Monday, 7 April 2014 12:45 (four years ago) Permalink

A third of each movie, or a third of the movies total?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:18 (four years ago) Permalink

sic, are you objecting to the MCU on the grounds of lack of monetary compensation for creators or because you don't enjoy them as movies? I'm not disagreeing with the former - I think it's utterly shameful - but I wasn't clear on the latter from what you wrote.

I won't see them for this reason, so I don't have any view at all on their quality.

(Liked the first Iron Man on a cheap matinee, second one was far less good, wasn't interested in Thor or Hulk 2, wasn't interested in Cap 1 and Marvel getting a summary judgment against the Kirby heirs in the week of release made me go "eeesh, I can't pay for any of these that I might be interested in in the future." Mantlo's brother specifically asking people with financial qualms to go see Guardians Of The Galaxy means I might, but my reason for interest is Pratt and Gunn. Maaaaybe I'd watch Avengers on TV, but I doubt I'd enjoy it as much as Cabin In The Woods or Much Ado.) [I'd have been curious about watching maybe half an hour of Winter Soldier to see how the Russos' style might translate to an action film.]

― bizarro gazzara, Monday, April 7, 2014 10:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

While I agree that this is shitty, it's pretty much the standard practice with all entertainment franchises, no? Like, does the guy who wrote the original Wrath of Khan screenplay get any royalties from the Star Trek: Into Darkness? I doubt he does.

I'm not interested in Star Trek Into Darkness either!

Anyway, no: the creators of most of the Marvel characters were specifically promised financial participation that they were never given; if Meyer doesn't get residuals from home video sales and TV broadcasts of Wrath Of Khan, it's because he specifically agreed to forgo them in whatever arbitration took place over his credit; under Levitz, creators who'd had story elements inspire aspects of DC movie plots quietly got appreciation cheques [this has ended under Nelson, obviously]; George Lucas got lots of the money from at least five out of six Star Wars movies; J.K. Rowling earns about $400 million a year from Harry Potter.

People being fucked over wrt media properties doesn't have to be a rule: every time someone is, it's because other people have made an active decision to do so.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:47 (four years ago) Permalink

I read an interview with Brubaker where he was like "it's great that this is the first time Marvel have made a movie where there's a book with the same name as it out there so hopefully I'll get some more royalties". It seems crazy that he won't see any money directly

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:51 (four years ago) Permalink

I mean, I was mainly saying comic books /= Marvel.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:52 (four years ago) Permalink

xpost - Brubaker only gets domestic royalties at all because he's currently signed exclusively to Marvel. They don't pay them as a matter of course, and IIRC haven't paid foreign royalties since the 1980s.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:54 (four years ago) Permalink

Meyer didn't create Khan, of course (character pre-exists the Wrath of Khan)

Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:57 (four years ago) Permalink

However, there is less commercial room than ever for adult-targeted films -- nowhere near as arty as Varda's -- while the pajamas-wearing bodybuilder shit dominates every year's b.o. Sorry, not "same as it ever was."

weird to hear that coming from a guy who's done a lot of successful genre stuff

Perhaps, but at least that Valerian thing was weird enough to be not especially successful.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 16:33 (one month ago) Permalink

The mortal enemy you'll want to direct your ire to goes by the name of Kevin Feige, Morbs. Once that dude moves on to other projects or retires to whatever island he buys, you will see a gaggle of clueless also-rans bumblefuck their way toward the slow dissolution of the superhero genre's steely grip on the box office. Like, they'll still rake in the dough but more on the level of the previous century's offerings (adjusted for inflation, natch).

Just eat a hamburger, it'll hit the spot. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:00 (one month ago) Permalink

morbs must have some elaborate pajamas is what i’m taking away from this thread

my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:07 (one month ago) Permalink

However, there is less commercial room than ever for adult-targeted films

this is a fair and reasonable point.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:31 (one month ago) Permalink

lol no it's not

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:58 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah don't see that at all as someone who has gorged on as many theatrical films as possible during this Year of Moviepass (RIP)
there's less middle of the road crap that ISN'T superheroes... well, actually even that's not true

Nhex, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:01 (one month ago) Permalink

idk I get that less "adult targeted films" get made by the big studios because the superhero stuff is where the money is. it doesn't seem so off the mark. but i hardly ever go see anything that isn't the stuff of which the Dr. appears to disapprove. end of my discussion is there's room in this viewer's brain for a lot of different kinds of movies that do all kinds of different things to it, and comparing them doesn't tell you much about them

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:05 (one month ago) Permalink

blame HBO and Netflix...
blame THE SOPRANOS, BREAKING BAD and, i dunno, RECTIFIED...
blame the new consumption models that let smaller features (like eh, let's say CAPTAIN FANTASTIC) to actually find distribution and audiences outside of the art houses...

popcorn halls are for popcorn pictures. I for one do not mourn the absence of RABBIT HOLE from my recliner-equipped multiplex, and to imagine that if Marvel would simply stop making movies that people of all ages enjoy the floodgates would open for quality grownup storytelling ignores the evidence of dunno fkn WILD HOGS or TRANSFORMERS 6 or whatever.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:16 (one month ago) Permalink

a fair and reasonable point

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:17 (one month ago) Permalink

However, there is less commercial room than ever for adult-targeted films

this is a fair and reasonable point.

lol no it's not

Yes and no. Films are cheaper to make than ever, and the barrier to make a film and get it thrown into, say, Netflix US listings is much lower than older forms of mass distribution. But it's absolutely, 100% true that the "middle budget" films (of the type Alexander Payne, PT Anderson, Todd Haynes etc) are getting funded less and less. There may have been a slight uptick recently due to the influx of streaming production cash but we're definitely a far cry from the era when "adult-minded" dramas routinely populated the top 10/20/30 grossers of a particular year.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:24 (one month ago) Permalink

"ethan hawke/logan wars"??????? film twitter is hell

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:29 (one month ago) Permalink

tbf all twitter is a garbage sewer

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:35 (one month ago) Permalink

Today’s adult-adults (25-40) generally watch movies at home unless there’s a minimum of 10 cameras and 15 server farms involved, in which case they might buy a ticket if they heard it was real good.

There’s just a lot of other things to do! Movies are no longer the pre-eminent time waster - just like ballgames aren’t either. Hey look what I can do with my phone look see this I’m oh wait hang on typing

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:35 (one month ago) Permalink

In a world where wars are sparked by poor reading comprehension

Just eat a hamburger, it'll hit the spot. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:36 (one month ago) Permalink

...one celebrity with an opinion about a movie can stoke the bad faith of twitter dorks into a frothing nerdgasm.

Just eat a hamburger, it'll hit the spot. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:39 (one month ago) Permalink

been avoiding the whole thing. I don't take Ethan Hawke especially seriously to begin with but it doesn't sound like he said anything especially controversial.

LOGAN is a good test case though. It's not MCU, it has a couple of moments and Patrick Stewart but it's mostly crap, and hey, the rest of Mangold's more adult-targeted "serious" work is also mostly crap!

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 21:19 (one month ago) Permalink

idk I get that less "adult targeted films" get made by the big studios because the superhero stuff is where the money is. it doesn't seem so off the mark. but i hardly ever go see anything that isn't the stuff of which the Dr. appears to disapprove. end of my discussion is there's room in this viewer's brain for a lot of different kinds of movies that do all kinds of different things to it, and comparing them doesn't tell you much about them

― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, August 29, 2018 3:05 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I get that one person can like a diversity of films, sure, I do. I truly enjoyed some MCU films and seen almost all Bresson films. However if you live outside a major metropolitan area, one that cannot sustain having a selection of art houses cinema or the presence of decent film festivals, well you probably know how hard it is to get to see some films. I'm lucky here in Montreal because we get to see a wider selection of french film but virtue of the language but boy it's a hunt still.

I won't say anything new to anyone on this thread but basically, the distribution game is rigged and has been rigged for a long time. While I'm not asking for the good ole CanCon documentary I produced to be in 2000 theaters across the continent, more antitrust laws like preventing blockbuying would give us a bit of that breathing room we need to live of our profession. So when those super hero movies are shitty, like Fantastic Four, and they are busts but still cover 5% of the screen time in the entirety of Quebec for 3 weeks and my friends and I have to scrap some sessions at the art house who is forever on the verge of closing down then yeah, I'm mad at the very existence of some of these films. I fully stand by Hawke's idea that when you get to make big movie at least put some love in it and abide by a standard of quality to ensure the film will be good. I haven't seen Logan so I can't vouch for it, but surely you can think of another shitty blockbuster, or another superhero blockbuster that can replace it.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 21:38 (one month ago) Permalink

another fair and reasonable point

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 22:26 (one month ago) Permalink

Remember when Ethan Hawke "wrote" a novel?

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 23:50 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Marvel has apparently secured studio space in the UK and rumors are bubbling up that a Captain Britain movie may be underway. Which I find potentially very exciting (particularly if it might lead to an Excalibur film down the road). Less exciting are the rumors that it is to be helmed by Guy Ritchie. Hmm.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 September 2018 12:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Like this idea, which strangely had never occurred to me before, could (in the right hands) be my most favored MCU project yet. The Moore and Delano runs on Captain Britain and then up through the end of Davis's solo run on Excalibur are some of my favorite comics ever.

I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 September 2018 12:27 (one month ago) Permalink

I re-watched Spider-Man: Homecoming last night (second time seeing it) and I think -- to the extent that ranking these things matters, which is "not at all" -- it's a top five out of all of these. Skips the origin story, ties in well into the other movies, a villain with understandable motives and who isn't the victim of some experiment gone wrong, ace performances from all involved. And a lot happens in it! But it never feels overstuffed. Like so many of these characters, Peter is often a victim not of the bad guys, but his own overconfidence and hubris -- but it's an understandable, youthful hubris. He's 15, and this is the one thing he's really good at aside from school, and it's much more rewarding; why not concentrate on it, and why not try to go big time? That's how kids think!

The whole segment from when Peter first shows up at Liz's house and Keaton answers the door, to when he gets out of the car in front of the school, is so great. A lot of good "eye acting" from Holland and Keaton, and I love that it's Liz's mention of the "Stark internship" that gets her father suspicious.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Friday, 21 September 2018 12:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Like this idea, which strangely had never occurred to me before, could (in the right hands) be my most favored MCU project yet. The Moore and Delano runs on Captain Britain and then up through the end of Davis's solo run on Excalibur are some of my favorite comics ever.


there’s def crossover from those runs with the thread we have on weird/uncanny british tv and fiction from the 70s and 80s (the name of which escapes me at the moment)

if they manage to tie together the merlin-flavoured mystical stuff with the apocalyptic horror of the fury it could be really great

🧛🏻‍♂️ F A T 🧛🏻‍♂️ D R A C U L A 🧛🏻‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 September 2018 12:42 (one month ago) Permalink

how could you forget

"is there a name or a phrase for or anything much written about that distinctly British CREEPY VIBE prevalent in TV shows and movies of the '60s/'70s? (e.g. The Prisoner, Sapphire and Steel, Baker-era"

Number None, Friday, 21 September 2018 12:46 (one month ago) Permalink

aye, it just slips right off the tongue right enough

🧛🏻‍♂️ F A T 🧛🏻‍♂️ D R A C U L A 🧛🏻‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:28 (one month ago) Permalink

actually you know who'd be a good captain britain is henry cavill - a giant side of beef who's not too smart and is kind of an asshole is a much better fit for cavill's vibe than superman

🧛🏻‍♂️ F A T 🧛🏻‍♂️ D R A C U L A 🧛🏻‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:29 (one month ago) Permalink

That is precisely who a large number of internet denizens are pushing for, apparently. Careful what you wish for...

Mummenschanz in a Metal Mood (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:34 (one month ago) Permalink

it's a top five out of all of these

the last 30-40 mins felt really draggy to me

there's a weird buildup to the homecoming then it only gets five minutes screentime

overall it's great though. it's overlong but it's a great hangout movie so length = more time with fun characters

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 21 September 2018 13:37 (one month ago) Permalink

karl urban would be a great captain britain

or wolverine

or almost any male superhero tbh

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 21 September 2018 13:38 (one month ago) Permalink

karl urban cannot be allowed to do anything which would prevent him from being judge dredd again

🧛🏻‍♂️ F A T 🧛🏻‍♂️ D R A C U L A 🧛🏻‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Ha:

best shit i ever made 🤣🤣🤣 pic.twitter.com/BurNtpRqcm

— Bryan 🍥 (@matte_bIack) September 22, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 September 2018 18:12 (four weeks ago) Permalink

karl urban would be a great captain britain

or wolverine

or almost any male superhero tbh


He's already had a sizable role in the MCU, it'd be a bit weird if they recast him as someone else. Tho they did do that with Alfre Woodard, but her earlier role was fairly minor.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 05:43 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Nah just give him multiple roles like Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 06:35 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Chris Evans is on film as the Human Torch and Captain America. They could probably start recasting the same actor in different roles and by now few would notice. Especially someone like Urban, who does a pretty good job disappearing. That is, that the same guy that can play Bones in Star Trek can play various heavies in the MCU or otherwise is pretty impressive. Acting!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 12:15 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Fantastic Four =/= MCU! At least not before now. Since the Fox acquisition I expect a watchable MCU FF movie at some point down the road.

Mummenschanz in a Metal Mood (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 12:41 (four weeks ago) Permalink

just have brad bird direct, he's already done a couple of convincing practice runs

heteroflexible pansexual polyamorous relationship anarchist (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 12:43 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Do we have a Karl Urban thread?

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 12:46 (four weeks ago) Permalink

do we need one?

heteroflexible pansexual polyamorous relationship anarchist (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 12:46 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Dude

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 12:48 (four weeks ago) Permalink

look i’ll happily participate with endless posts about dredd if u wanna start one

heteroflexible pansexual polyamorous relationship anarchist (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 12:51 (four weeks ago) Permalink

(as long as it’s called ‘URBAN HYMNS: a thread of karl urban appreciation’)

heteroflexible pansexual polyamorous relationship anarchist (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 12:52 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Oh hey so I slept on it way too long but I'm happy to report (halfway through the season thus far) that Cloak and Dagger is actually better than some of the Netflix shows. So, y'know, check it out.

Mummenschanz in a Metal Mood (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

'cloak and dagger: better than iron fist!' raves ilxor dot com poster old lunch

heteroflexible pansexual polyamorous relationship anarchist (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Consistent, focused, compelling characters, well-acted, etc. It might actually help that there isn't a capital-v Villain per se (the big bads are a crooked cop and Roxxon, basically).

Mummenschanz in a Metal Mood (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

and no finn jones!

heteroflexible pansexual polyamorous relationship anarchist (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I thought season 2 of Iron Fist was much improved (I mean, how could it not be), but this is still at least maybe three times as good.

Mummenschanz in a Metal Mood (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I watched the Cloak & Dagger pilot and was immediately put off by "Hey, attempted rape as a character motivation/plot point AGAIN" thing. I'm so sick of it. It's what made me not watch Bates Motel after seeing it happen to Vera Farmiga in the pilot.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Writers, there are other ways to push your female protagonists to their crisis points without raping them. See if you can think of some!

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 14:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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