Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

xp Blame the movies that inspired the conversation in the first place.

Thank u for underscoring my point.

You're welcome, stupid.

thank u for keeping us entertained between cape operas

we should make a list of all the quality pictures that get wide distribution during this golden age

these superheroes today with their rocking and a-rolling and hipping and hopping, Batman punching Spider-Man in Riverdale...it's all just noise

I look forward to this discourse reaching its final form, where he declares that he's going to make a hiphop track a superhero movie that will show us all

fave recurring absurdity itt is "these movies are like hiphop", because multibilliondollar authoritarian product martin scorsese treated with insufficient respect == revolutionary form of underclass self-expression triggering an orgy of copyright violation and decades of moral panic. they're both for the young u see

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Yes, that is what I said. I said Marvel movies were like hiphop. You got it exactly right.

argument has gotten recursive so lemme throw this out there: which of the current cycle of superhero movies (let's say since 2008 since that's the Dark Knight/Iron Man marker) most approach "cinema" by the standards of the Scorcese pronouncement?

Genuine answer: the only one I've seen that seemed to have glimmers of a personality was Ragnarok. But I may have been caught offguard by a lifting headache.

I'd say The Dark Knight Rises, but that's because I now hate cinema.

Of course Scorsese films are better! The thing is, was what he said accurate or not, and it's not. And of course it's harsh! 'That's not cinema!' Coppola called them 'despicable!'. It's okay to agree, and think that Coppola is right to call Taika Waititi the maker of a 'despicable' film, but of course it's a harsh attack on a fellow film maker.

This is my precise pov, btw

xps Tho if that cliffhanger opening was actually connected to a different Marvel movie in a genuine narrative extension, and not just as a corny fake "last week, in our story" gag, downgrade my opinion a few notches.

xp I’m most interested in the professional dis/shade aspect of their comments. And how Favreau noted — “I’ve worked with Marty”... I think that’s a subtle “c’mon, man”

strongly recommend anyone with any love for superhero movies try this year's Fast Color, which was a joy from either side of the popcorn/cinema divide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tySUZIiXObc

if I were Scorsese and my so-called colleagues called me "Marty" I'd pray for Thanos to vaporize me

Especially if it's Jon Favreau

Marty's condemned to forever wander the multiverse in search of the Cinema Gem.

Personally, I haven't proclaimed (and wouldn't proclaim) that any superhero film is High Art so my response to anyone rejecting the notion of superhero films as High Art would be 'you are correct.' My response to anyone painting all superhero films with a broad Worthless Trash brush because they aren't High Art would be 'you are perhaps making a reactionary bad faith argument rn.'

now that is solomonic

nosing about to answer my own question and realized i forgot Frank Miller's (Sin) Spirit movie existed... i'm gonna have to get real wasted sometime and force myself through as much of it as i can handle... this cast! the music! the outrageously bad script, even in the trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdaVjwEFOEk

FTR, I'd easily place 3-4 Coppola films and, despite my appreciation, precisely zero superhero films in my all-time top 50. But also precisely zero Scorsese films would make the cut (sorry, Marty).

dropping "marty" in public-- had a professor addicted to this-- is a bogdanovichist thirst move (xps)

Jon Favreau in an ascot beside his underage model girlfriend

Fast Color looks interesting - thematically it reminds me of N.K. Jemisin's Broken Earth books. Will definitely check that out.

I thought everyone in tha biz calls him “Marty”??

argument has gotten recursive so lemme throw this out there: which of the current cycle of superhero movies (let's say since 2008 since that's the Dark Knight/Iron Man marker) most approach "cinema" by the standards of the Scorcese pronouncement?

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), 24. oktober 2019 16:00 (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

First of all, it's a bullshit standard. But even going by those standards, all of them pass! All of the superhero films have scenes of 'human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being.' And consistently, those are the worst scenes!

Marty isn't using "cinema" to connote "high art," though.

I hated it when Jake as Mysterio didn't convey the emotional, psychological experience of getting nude for me.

xp No matter how many times people in bad faith type the word out phonetically.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/2lNJQ6Q3DK7hC/source.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVcjeAByzaQ

when will Marvel green light the All About Eve comic book?

Not til the last drug store has sold its last pill.

fast color is great, one of the better endings I've seen in any superhero movie. viola davis is apparently trying to make it into a series for amazon.
https://deadline.com/2019/07/fast-color-series-adaptation-amazon-viola-davis-julius-tennons-juvee-productions-1202656971/

... and apparently they're trying to do an Octavia Butler "Wild Seed" series too which would be rad

oh hey, fuel!
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fernando-meirelles-marvel-superhero-films-1249498

I like the technique, sometimes I watch fragments and trailers and all the VFX and the production is really spectacular, really first class people are involved. But I can't engage with the story, I get sleepy. Sometimes I watch those at the cinema and after half an hour I am sleepy. It's very overwhelming. It doesn't interest me at all.

I mean, there’s nothing to talk about with that quote, it’s totally reasonable

Yeah, it's cool. Opining differs slightly from proclaiming.

... and apparently they're trying to do an Octavia Butler "Wild Seed" series too which would be rad

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, October 24, 2019 9:36 AM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Whoa @ this

Agreed on Fast Color being a fun watch. Would be an excellent triple feature with Midnight Special and Kin. I'd like to see more from all three of those worlds.

I do find myself getting antsy for most Marvel movies to get over

no shame in that. the “big action piece” is usually pretty boring!

They would be better without any narrative at all, honestly.

i feel the opposite, the action scenes are really flat to me

but it's not the narrative that's good either, you're right. it's more the world building and little offhand moments

I don't know if I could sit down and tell you the plot of any of them, I mean the mcguffin or w/e that was being used

Well, yeah, they should ideally just be the raccoon yelling at Robert Downey Jr for half an hour, and then there's a Kendrick Lamar song.

this is the funniest thing i've seen pic.twitter.com/ywSFGMWFuD

— meeraan (@masturbatwing) October 23, 2019

I mean...anyone making that argument with any degree of seriousness probably has a full-time caretaker to keep them from sticking their tongue into wall sockets and what have you.

On that we do agree