I know there are loads of old horror film threads but I wanted a more obvious one for regular discussion of whatever you have seen recently and for recent reissues of older films.
I'll talk again about some of the older films that I mentioned in the other thread. So I'm going to repeat myself a bit.
NIGHT OF THE DEVILS came out on DVD about a year ago and its by the director of Mill Of Stone Women. Early 70s, somewhere between old Bava and more modern gorey stuff. It's about a mostly abandoned forest town with wurdalak style vampires haunting it. I don't think it's a classic but it clearly deserves to emerge out of neglect/obscurity because before it got reissued it seems there was rarely any mention of it and I think it's a lot better than many other 70s Italian horror films. It has some really great images but on the downside it has two vampires dying a screaming death in a laughably unlikely fashion.
Last summer I watched on YouTube two of the 50s versions of GHOST OF YOTSUYA. The late 50s colour version was easily the better version and probably the most glaringly absent film of all the western DVD releases of classic Japanese horror films (such as Kwaidan, Onibaba, Kuroneko, Blind Beast, 60s version of Jigoku, Horrors Of Malformed Men, Lake Of Dracula, Matango, Hausu and Ugetsu). I'd say this was better than most of them actually. Great soundtrack, great ending scenes. This really needs a proper release, I've heard that Miike's upcoming Over Your Dead Body is a variation on this story that has been filmed roughly ten times. Maybe that'll help this version come out but I wouldn't bet on it. Do you think emailing DVD labels would be worthwhile?
BOXER'S OMEN was another impressive recent viewing mostly for the sheer weirdness and colourful grotesque elements.
MORGIANA is kind of a basic murder mystery plot but it's made worthwhile by the visual styling, great dresses of the mostly female cast and good setting. I'd like to see more of Juraj Herz's horror films but there seems to be nothing available aside from Cremator.
MUMSY NANNY SONNY AND GIRLY was really funny in a way that might annoy a lot of people; it's kind of unique. I love how in America they called it GIRLY and advertised it like a sexploitation film.
Other things I saw not long ago was SISTERS and NIGHTMARE ALLEY, both very good but probably don't need as much introduction.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 13:36 (four years ago) Permalink
Saw BLOOD ON SATAN'S CLAW on tv last night and I'm glad I didn't buy it, I find most British horror films of that era immensely overrated even though I love those gothic and rural visual styles more than anything. Redeeming features are the settings, the odd soundtrack and the lovely dancing naked girl at the end. I think this is a textbook example of conservative horror.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 13:52 (four years ago) Permalink
I sort of felt the same way about Witchfinder General, but eventually warmed up to the thing.
― Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Monday, 21 April 2014 13:56 (four years ago) Permalink
Isn't Witchfinder General more anti-conservative? I've never seen the whole thing.
I think IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS deserves way more chat than it gets. It has some really major flaws but I think it's a lot more ambitious, effective and special in places than it ever gets credit for; probably same for Prince Of Darkness but to a lesser extent. Something that strikes me is how Carpenter has always been very pro-showthemonster but you only get a brief glimpse at what was clearly a bunch of monsters that had loads of work put into them. I've never been able to find out about the DVD extras of the film but I remember as a terrified child seeing on tv the special effects studio proudly showing off the monsters and I wonder if that clip is lost forever.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:05 (four years ago) Permalink
Not about the conservative angle, just the Britishness of it.
― Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Monday, 21 April 2014 14:16 (four years ago) Permalink
Which Sisters are you talking about? It's not obviously bringing anything to mind right now.
Morgiana/Mumsy Nanny/Nightmare Alley all top films. The latter I love a possibly inordinate amount. The former, yeah, it's all about the styling, I see it as high gothic meets Mucha meets late '60s/early '70s surrealism. But then I may be talking crap. I actually went to a costume party as Viktorie recently, though I'm not sure how well I pulled it off (or indeed if anyone knew who I was supposed to be).
Looked up Boxer's Omen - that has gone straight on my 'to watch' list.
― emil.y, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:24 (four years ago) Permalink
I think this is a textbook example of conservative horror.
Not entirely sure what you mean - horror kind of revolves around attraction/repulsion towards what's on screen, but I don't think Brit rural folk horror is noticeably more repulsed by its pagan practices than it is attracted...
― emil.y, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:27 (four years ago) Permalink
DePalma's Sisters. A much better film than Scarface or Carrie I'd say.
I think the whole "conservative" horror and fantasy thing is not as easy to decide as some might say but it has been used repeatedly as a critique. Like Tolkien's orcs; pagans and vampires in films being defeated by puritans. Kim Newman talks about this a lot in his book NIGHTMARE MOVIES.
I think the conservative depiction of vampires accusation is harder to justify because it seems sensible to kill vampires who are destroying your families and are killing lots of people in the process. A vampires bloodlust overpowering their their empathy is a good enough explanation for me. The actions of those in Blood On Satan's Claw make sense inside the film, but there is a feeling among lots of critics that this comes from a unfair worldview, particularly when old Christian dudes are getting the violent victory at the end (but in BOSC the guy who kills the demon seems secular).
The depictions of pagans in particular. Like when Moorcock said that you can't really trust Tolkien to tell you that all orcs are pure evil. I like Christopher Lee but I recall him in a recent interview talking about pagans as if they were a real threat in the modern world.
Ever since Clive Barkers era I think it's been frowned upon in some circles to depict humanoid monsters as unquestionably evil. Some people have accused Machen's "Great God Pan" being misogynist but I don't see that myself.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:03 (four years ago) Permalink
hey just fyi this exists too:
sometimes I like to shit my pants oldschool: 1990-1999 horror film thread
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:13 (four years ago) Permalink
Yeah, but the pagans in The Wicker Man are unquestionably the bad guys, but you still side with them over Edward Woodward every time. They're obviously bad, but they're much much cooler and more interesting. So does that make it a conservative film or not?
― emil.y, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:15 (four years ago) Permalink
I'll never forget how as a child, having "good guys" win against monsters made no sense to me, I was horrified when I saw Dracula clumsily falling through cracking ice into freezing water. I think that was Dracula Prince Of Darkness. Many years later even though my expectations were lower, I was still horrified by a Dracula who was supposed to be "powerful beyond your wildest imaginings" even more clumsily kills himself by getting tricked into walking into too many thorny bushes. That might have been Dracula AD1972.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:17 (four years ago) Permalink
I've never been huge on Wicker Man, Woodward doesn't deserve his fate but he is annoying enough that his downfall is funny and satisfying rather than difficult to swallow.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:20 (four years ago) Permalink
In the Mouth of Madness is really really great. Miles better than Prince of Darkness.
Sisters was one of Herrmann's last great film scores and it drives me crazy that it is only available on CD in a shitty sounding noise-reduced edition. Someday I'll buy the LP and make a rip of it.
I managed to download Michael (Witchfinder General) Reeves' The Sorcerers off the internet this weekend and am v v psyched to watch it.
Disappearing doorways department: I bookmarked a bunch of 70s british ITV horror items on Youtube a few weeks ago (particularly the Beasts series of short films) but when I went back to watch them the dude's account had been shut down.
― hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:22 (four years ago) Permalink
looooool @ the new DVD of "The Visitor" what an entertainingly bad movie
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:26 (four years ago) Permalink
Damn I maybe should have called this thread "pre-2005" because "post-2005" probably includes everything in 2005? I'm sure it doesn't matter too much which thread includes 2005 films.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 15:49 (four years ago) Permalink
I'm a huge fan of Nosferatu and the very beautiful Faust (aside from the prolonged romantic comedy section) but I've never tried another Murnau film despite years of opportunity and more complete versions of his other films which has risen their critical standing. Any recommendations for Phantom or Haunted Castle?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 18:09 (four years ago) Permalink
COFFIN JOE COLLECTION is a bargain even if most of the 9 films are very poor... AT MIDNIGHT I WILL TAKE YOUR SOUL is okay, it has mainly short bursts of gusto and a freshness of approach about it.
The sequel THIS NIGHT I WILL POSSESS YOUR CORPSE is the only one I'd actually recommend and if you bought the collection for only this, it would be a fair price. There is some overly long boring scenes but it is totally unique and has lots of energy; a few good hysterical scenes with strange imagery, really crazy intro credits too. Sadly the film still has censored dialogue at the end to make it appear as if Coffin Joe repented for his sins.
These first two films also have a strange philosophy that adds a lot to their appeal; but sometimes I wonder if Marins has it all figured out or if he just makes it up to be whatever sounds cool at any given moment. Coffin Joe is supposed to be crazily sexist but the way his female victims fall in love with him so easily make the film's look sexist as a whole. The director and his character are a fascinating phenomenon sometimes (worth reading about how he was regarded in Brazil) but I don't know why the later films have such an imaginative decline.
Aside from the documentary all the other films are really challeningly dull slogs with brief moments of interest and oddity. Awakening Of The Beast has funny little four legged monster with a tree sprouting from its back, some weird hallucinatory scenes similar to the second film and people with faces painted on their shaking buttocks. A later film has a man discreetly fingering a woman to help her look like she is crying at a funeral. After sitting through them all, I understand why so few people bothered writing about the later films.
I'm curious about his newer film Embodiment Of Evil. Marins has a reputation for making risky scenes of women being terrorized by creepy crawlies and some people have said the women in this film look genuinely hysterical in a deeply worrying way. He had to take his wife to the hospital to get an insect out her ear as she was screaming that she thought it was inside her brain.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:05 (four years ago) Permalink
There needs to be a proper Corman box set of his horror films. I'm reluctant to get a lot of them because a lot of them are underwhelming but they often have just enough going for them for me to crave more and I think they are better than the similar British films of that era.
THE UNDEAD (not seen it but the trailer has a stunning beauty in it)FALL OF THE HOUSE IF USHER (okay)MASQUE OF THE RED DEATH (should offend dwarves)PIT AND THE PENDULUM (easily the best of the ones I've seen, good visuals and Barbara Steele)TOMB OF LIGEIA (a bit dull)THE TERROR (Karloff and Jack Nicholson, okay)PREMATURE BURIAL (not seen it)TALES OF TERROR (not seen it)THE RAVEN (not seen it)TOWER OF LONDON (really dull, not to be confused with Karloff film of same name)HAUNTED PALACE (Lovecraft attempt with some nice visuals and gorgeous lady)
Not sure about comedies like A Bucket Of Blood and Little Shop Of Horrors. I always thought Oblong Box was by Corman but it isn't. Horror Hotel feels like one of them and I'm quite fond of that.
I'm amazed that Corman is still regularly producing films with titles just like he did in the 50s-60s. Anyone seen his newer films?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:47 (four years ago) Permalink
Don't get people who are rooting against Sgt Howie in TWM. He may be a bit of a prude but how can you not feel for him? Even on a basic level of empathy for a guy who's clearly trying to do good while all around plot against him.
― ewar woowar (or something), Monday, 21 April 2014 20:53 (four years ago) Permalink
I guess I could feel sorry for him but my excuse is that I saw that clip "Oh God!Oh Jesus Christ!" repeatedly (people link to it regularly on forums and blogs for comic effect) on tv horror film documentaries that had obnoxious spoilers. It is very funny in isolation. I think those shows spoiled a lot of films and I hope future viewers can experience a lot of these films more freshly than I did. Luckily when I watched Spoorloos/Vanishing, I didn't realise I had previously seen the ending on a clip show until the film finished. That would have ruined it. Those clip show bastards showed the endings to Suspiria, Nosferatu, Exorcist and Don't Look Now.
It is sad that books aren't more widely discussed but the big benefit is you can read most of the classics without knowing what happens in them.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 April 2014 22:07 (four years ago) Permalink
Tears of Kali (2004, Andreas Marschall)German flick about a fictional cult whose meditation methods unleash demons, sounds pretty great. Not great by any means, but intriguing and promising. Unusual ideas, ambitious storytelling and an omnibus structure that keeps things moving. Undercut by distinctly lacklustre cinema. A trial run for something better?
Naked Blood (1996, Hisayasu Sato)Repeat viewing. An alienated young man invents a serum that causes people to experience pain as pleasure, tragedy ensuses. This film seems known only to hardcore gore & transgression buffs, but I think it's an amazing work of art. A justly notorious (though relatively brief) midfilm auto-cannibalism setpiece drastically limits its potential audience, but I strongly recommend Naked Blood to anyone who thinks they might be able to stomach the gore. Surreal, quietly anguished and strangely haunting. A longtime personal favorite that holds up remarkably well.
Stacy: Attack of the Schoolgirl Zombies (2001, Naoyuki Tomomatsu)Repeat viewing. A mysterious disease causes young women between the ages of 15 and 17 to die and then return to life as mindless, bloodthirsty zombies. This cheerfully schlocky, superficially comical splatter movie uses its basic situation to tell a number of related (and in most cases overlapping) stories, with varying tone & emphasis. Beneath the goofy surface, however, lies a cryptic and rather disturbing commentary on Japanese schoolgirl fetishism. Sui generis and strangely heartfelt.
― katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 06:05 (four years ago) Permalink
I've seen a fair amount of talk about Naked Blood On this forum. I'm intrigued, I don't think I've even heard the name before.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 12:32 (four years ago) Permalink
damn you aren't kidding that tears of kali SOUNDS great! I have to see that despite yr mixed rev.
― hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:12 (four years ago) Permalink
tears of kali is definitely worth a watch, and yeah, the concept had me sold from the get-go. the director's follow-up, masks, is much more assured & satisfying, if a good deal less original.
re naked blood: i genuinely love the move, but it's very hard to recommend. the worst moments (of which there are few) are REALLY nasty, like "some things you can't unsee" level unpleasantness. my sense is that the yuk factor unbalances and overshadows the rest of the film, to the point where even i have to admit that a threshold has been crossed. with that substantial caveat in mind, an amazing piece of work.
― katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 18:54 (four years ago) Permalink
I never go out of my way to seek or avoid violent sickie films; but I've heard a lot of complaints recently about such things and I rarely hear a coherent argument for what is "too far" or what constitutes a unethical way of depicting a reprehensible act. There are some things I don't like seeing but I can't think of anything that I thought shouldn't have been shown.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:32 (four years ago) Permalink
i don't mean that naked blood becomes reprehensible as a result of its gore (well it does, but that doesn't bother me in itself). i mean that the nastier moments alter the film's overall tone substantially, perhaps to its artistic detriment. certainly limits the potential audience, which seems a shame.
... I rarely hear a coherent argument for what is "too far" or what constitutes a unethical way of depicting a reprehensible act.
feel you, but i'm not sure that kind of thing should or even can be broken down all logical-like. we all have our limits, and gut-level emotional responses (DO NOT WANT!) are just as valid as more seemingly-coherent intellectual analyses.
― katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:45 (four years ago) Permalink
I just went to amazon and bought it there. 20pounds, a little bit too expensive but I'm very intrigued. I'll have to watch this when everyone else is asleep.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:47 (four years ago) Permalink
A few more things I saw in recent times...
SCHOCK/SHOCK In the music section of this forum I've praised the soundtrack a lot (Libra includes a few Goblin members). When I watched the trailer for this film I decided to not bother with the film because the soundtrack by itself seemed so much more exciting. But a few years later I got the chance to see it and it was way better than expected. This might even be one of Bava's very best films. A lot of his classic films stand on the strength of their visuals but this is better than most of them as a whole work. This is Bava adjusting to a new era of Italian horror film and he doesn't look remotely out of touch here. The story is about a dead father who haunts his wife by possessing the body of his son. Some really strange moments in this film, but really the soundtrack is still my favourite thing about it.
NOROI Some people rate this as one of the greatest Japanese horror films ever but it barely made much impression on me. It's made in the form of a documentary, with tv show clips and investigative journalism.
MURDERS IN THE RUE MORGUE Aside from the appealingly smokey dark visuals and settings, this is yet another incredibly dull Bela Lugosi film with all the willingness and poor comic relief you'd expect.
MASK OF FU MANCHU Sluggish boredom and the expected racism. The lightning massacre at the end was kind of good but I could never recommend the film.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 21:59 (four years ago) Permalink
NAKED BLOOD It is weirdly sedate for a gore film, reminds me in some places of Death Powder. I can see how you might think the goriest parts spoil the sleepily surreal parts. The violence is important to the story, so the gore doesn't feel entirely misplaced; perhaps after being warned it didn't seem too bad to me. The naïve quality of the film was interesting. Looking at the director's filmography there is so many films that got renamed (the director had a different intended title for them all) to sound like taboo pushing rape fantasies, I wonder if they are all porn films or anything like Naked Blood? There was an advert on the dvd for a film called Sexy Soccer, which looks like the laziest sexploitation film I've ever seen.
DEATH POWDER This film makes little attempt at being coherent but it has some good stuff in there. Steamy cyberpunk locations, hallucinatory scenes, a humorous music video, groups of scarred people. The version I saw was only partially subtitled.
CURSE OF KAZUO UMEZU This is really stiffly animated but it works well enough, the background art has some nice dreamy darkness about it. The first story is pleasingly monstrous, surprisingly scary with a pretty cool twist. Umezu got a lot of his comics made into live action tv/film but I've never bothered with them apart from this.
LABYRINTH OF DREAMS This is from Sogo Ishii's quiet phase after his early punk films. An elegant soft black and white ghost story that is only borderline horror, really nice stuff. Ishii's frequent actor Tadanobu Asano stars.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 27 April 2014 15:41 (four years ago) Permalink
From the animation thread, but I properly linked this video because this thread isn't in threat of being overloaded with videos...
Nina Shorina's "Room Of Laughter" here. One of the best films I saw last year. A prime example of what animation can do for horror. If you have ten minutes to spare...
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 27 April 2014 16:00 (four years ago) Permalink
Looking at the director's filmography there is so many films that got renamed (the director had a different intended title for them all) to sound like taboo pushing rape fantasies, I wonder if they are all porn films or anything like Naked Blood?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:41 AM (Yesterday)
nearly all of hisayasu sato's other films are softcore sex pictures (though he did direct a memorable segment in 2005's rampo noir horror omnibus). i've downloaded a few of his pinku based on the recommendation of others, but have yet to watch any: survey map of a paradise lost, an aria on gazes and love - 0 = infinity. tbh, i don't know whether the somewhat artful titles here are original or replacements intended to help sell the films to more sensitive western audiences, and i don't really trust imdb on this. he's said to be a well respected director within his micro-genre, an experimental punk artist working at the furthest fringes of commercial cinema. i wouldn't know, and i'm not sure i want to further explore a filmography full of titles like lolita vibrator torture and horse woman dog. he did make a gay pink film called muscle, which sounds intriguing, but i haven't found a torrent.
personally, i see naked blood as an interesting and convincingly anguised peice of outsider art. the fact that the director apparently spent the bulk of his career making sleazy, violent, low budget pornography only adds to the nihilist resonance.
― katsu kittens (contenderizer), Monday, 28 April 2014 08:13 (four years ago) Permalink
and wow, death powder sounds great! thanks for the tip, will watch.
― katsu kittens (contenderizer), Monday, 28 April 2014 08:18 (four years ago) Permalink
Anyone been seeing these recent BFI disc releases? Stuff like M R James/Ghost Story For Christmas collection, Robin Redbreast, Gaslight, Sleepwalker, Dead Of Night, Supernatural and Schalcken The Painter?
Most of this appears to be old British tv shows, I'm sceptical but I've seen some extremely positive reviews for them. I've seen one or two of the M R James episodes and they were fine. I read Le Fanu's Schalcken The Painter recently and I am curious how they'd pull it off for screen.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:14 (four years ago) Permalink
A word of warning: the complete Karloff's Thriller is packaged and blurbed like a pure horror show but really only something like 10 episodes of the 67 are horror; it was really a noir/crime/mystery show. Quite a few people said it was better than Twilight Zone and Outer Limits but I never saw much of them. It was decent but I never sustained enough interest to watch the whole thing. A lot of the acting is a bit sloppy. The highlights for me were a haunted house story with Rip Torn; a Bloch story about a mirror or glasses that let you see monstrous "true" forms of people; best was a Derleth story with Karloff as a weird pale lethargic scientist covered in cobwebs. But none of this was really enough to justify getting the boxed set.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:37 (four years ago) Permalink
I super dug the three episodes I watched before it was taken off Netflix. Also: tons of fuckin money ass goldsmith scores on those.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:39 (four years ago) Permalink
The theme tune was great.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:54 (four years ago) Permalink
100 bloody acres now streaming on us at least netflix
― ohhhh lorde 2pac big please mansplain to this sucker (jjjusten), Friday, 2 May 2014 02:11 (four years ago) Permalink
The Watson/Webber version of Fall Of House Of Usher. I'd say it was among the best silent horror films. Only 12 minutes...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPYjrOST-VQ
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 May 2014 23:09 (four years ago) Permalink
Any opinions on the 1974 version of Dracula? I guess it's about to be reissued, and Varese Sarabande just issued the soundtrack by Bob Cobert-- I listened to it on spotify today and it's great stuff in the hammer romantic-menace vein (but better recorded than most of the hammer music).
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Friday, 2 May 2014 23:33 (four years ago) Permalink
Who was playing that Dracula, it doesn't sound familiar.
Anyone saw Mimic directors cut? Del Toro said he was pleased because he didn't have to disown the film anymore. But I'm still kind of reluctant because unlike Barker's Nighbreed, I never got the sense that it could have been something special if left alone (admittedly based on the opinions of people who saw it before it was butchered). I guess The Keep is another film that people are still hoping for a directors cut.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 3 May 2014 23:29 (four years ago) Permalink
Just watched my new copy of IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS (not a good copy, I think it's Korean, it has way too small a screen size), I hadn't seen it in maybe more than 10 years and it holds up less well than I had imagined. The light metal music in the intro/outro doesn't set the tone very well. I remembered the film being cheesy with the appearance of the evil writer and the clichéd scary children but I didn't remember the goofy humour at all, with all those wisecracks. I used to be freaked out by Sam Neill laughing in the cinema but I guess there was nothing wrong with that part, I'm just older. I kept thinking Neill didn't care that much about his performance or maybe he thought this was going to be closer to a horror comedy than it really was. It's unbelievable and funny how he makes a map from the book covers.
What is still quite effective is the disordered reality scenes almost like Jacob's Ladder, a lot of the driving scenes with the tunnels, dark roads and the cyclist; I liked the creatures (especially the main tunnel scene that is very similar to Lovecraft's "At The Mountains Of Madness") and the church interior too.
2 taglines: "Lived any good books lately?" and "Reality isn't what it used to be".
I have really strong memories of being very young and even terrified of this films existence, trying to avoid looking at pictures of it. As a young teen finding it pretty scary too.
It isn't great but I don't know why it rarely gets mentioned for quite a long time.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:38 (four years ago) Permalink
One of my favourite sites heavily recommended an obscurity called Atrapados that sounded really great...http://www.fright.com/edge/Atrapados.htm
Now he linked to vimeo where the director has uploaded the film...http://vimeo.com/92413499 I hope I can watch it soon if my internet speed gets fixed.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:50 (four years ago) Permalink
I'd watch a Keep director's cut out of curiosity, but the film is perfect as is
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 4 May 2014 22:46 (four years ago) Permalink
I think the reason it has never had a DVD release is possibly the difficulty of finally putting together the directors cut. Not sure what is stopping Nightbreed.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 May 2014 22:51 (four years ago) Permalink
I got an unexpected amount of pleasure seeing a musclebound hero who is also a convincing, likable everyman (for lack of a better word). Not a fan of Arnold Schwarzenegger, I don't mind Stallone but I could do with more big muscle guys who seem approachable in films. Don't think I've seen a film with The Rock in it but he seems nice.
I'm very familiar with the majority of Carpenter's films but for some reason I had never heard of They Live until a few years ago.
Great funny long fight scene. The thing I liked least is the very forced sounding wise cracks and cheesy lines.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 11 May 2014 00:26 (four years ago) Permalink
Been looking around for Jean Rollin DVDs and some are prominently labelled for being uncut but I don't think any of his films have been censored for decades have they? He seems way too tame to be censored into the DVD age.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 May 2014 00:22 (four years ago) Permalink
Are the Dr Phibes films worthwhile?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 May 2014 18:18 (four years ago) Permalink
I had passed on The Hunger and Paul Schrader's version of Cat People many times because I never bought the hype, they didn't sound interesting to me. I lump them together as very 80s sexy horror films that were very modern and cool for their time, I guess Near Dark might even fit in there. But I finally watched both this weekend and I'm glad I did.
Cat People feels like a radical new interpretation possibly more based on the source short story than the original film (?), I have to agree with the camp that prefers this to the Lewton film (I think there were better Lewton films), there were so many aspects I don't recall in the older film. Kinski was really sweet in this.
The Hunger was a real surprise. I don't have much experience with Tony Scott but I was never remotely attracted to most of his output that I know of (I have heard he has done lesser known great stuff); so I was amazed that this is one of the most visually impressive and stylish films I've ever seen; really beautiful at times. A lot of old makeup jobs look terrible but the makeup for aging Bowie was very impressive. This is the type of surprise that makes me think that sometimes I should listen to hype when I'm reluctant.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 18 May 2014 01:58 (four years ago) Permalink
first doctor phibes is fun, not great, but a nice period piece, great production design. second is a wash.
dig both the hunger and shrader's cat people remake, moreso the former. other than that and true romance, though, i've never had much use for tony scott.
― katsu kittens (contenderizer), Sunday, 18 May 2014 04:16 (four years ago) Permalink
This might be kind of silly but Angel Witch's Dr Phibes tune made me think "wow, maybe if that film inspired such great music maybe the film is great too".
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 18 May 2014 12:30 (four years ago) Permalink
late to this but hellraiser 2 > 1 (i think i just like the hellworld-building that much)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:38 (one month ago) Permalink
i mean also
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:40 (one month ago) Permalink
I've seen hellraiser 2 many times! It's a similar thing with terminator for me, I've seen judgement day a zillion times and the first film only once (&I don't really remember it)
― The Rachel Supremacy (wins), Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:53 (one month ago) Permalink
first terminator is a very special film (in fact i think every time we talk about cameron in general on ilx all conversations eventually reduce themselves to "terminator is a v special film)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 April 2018 18:08 (one month ago) Permalink
omg so i haven't seen hellraiser is this something i have to do???? i've looked into it before....
i have to tell you that i just watched friday the 13th part 2 for the first time and was FLOORED. dunno how it took me so long.
― surm, Friday, 20 April 2018 00:34 (one month ago) Permalink
I chose Part 2 for last Friday, as well. It's got two of the hottest guys in the entire franchise.
― Uppercase (Eric H.), Friday, 20 April 2018 01:36 (one month ago) Permalink
Any horror movie fan should watch the first two Hellraisers at least once, see if they're your thing. I don't think any of the other sequels are anyone's thing so you can stop there.
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 April 2018 03:15 (one month ago) Permalink
I know I've beat this drum before, but most of the Friday the 13ths (like most of the Halloweens) are a dull slog. The fourth one at least has this going for it, though:
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 April 2018 03:18 (one month ago) Permalink
I want to say like the first 20 minutes of Friday 2 is a recap of the first.I think first is fine, but I like part 6 and 4. And I like the sneaky way the reboot begins, which (like the My Bloody Valentine reboot) is the only thing it has going for it.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 April 2018 03:32 (one month ago) Permalink
I tend to most enjoy those horror sequels which aren't afraid to be utterly batshit (Halloween 3, Seed of Chucky, Basket Case 3) so my fave 13th (and no one else's) is Jason Goes to Hell.
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 April 2018 03:53 (one month ago) Permalink
Hell is a mess, but Space and Vs. Freddy are pretty wacky, too. New York is stunningly bad and dull.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 April 2018 11:59 (one month ago) Permalink
most of the friday the 13ths may be a dull slog but i still think they’re fun to watch
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 20 April 2018 12:24 (one month ago) Permalink
part five is one of the creepiest least functional movies i’ve ever seen
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 20 April 2018 12:26 (one month ago) Permalink
I wish contemporary neverending horror franchises went as weird and silly with their umpteeth iterations as F13 / Elm St did
― Simon H., Friday, 20 April 2018 12:26 (one month ago) Permalink
Elm Street is still my favorite of the big franchises but it started strong and most definitely petered out on the back half. Anyone who's still stumping for New Nightmare on the basis of its clever conceit should force themselves to sit through the thing again, because it's not so hot.
(True heads know that Child's Play is the franchise which most successfully revitalized itself with weird silliness.)
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 April 2018 13:37 (one month ago) Permalink
(Jennifer Tilly has now played herself as inhabited by the soul of an evil doll in three installments of said franchise. Nuff said.)
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 April 2018 13:40 (one month ago) Permalink
child's play and phantasm are the best horror franchises imo
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 20 April 2018 13:42 (one month ago) Permalink
Anyone who's still stumping for New Nightmare on the basis of its clever conceit should force themselves to sit through the thing again, because it's not so hot.
this is incredibly wrong though
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 20 April 2018 13:44 (one month ago) Permalink
new nightmare and jason goes to hell feel intimately related to me prob bc of that early/mid '90s new line feel. they're also both slight reinventions of their franchises, where one is really effective and creepy and the other is one bad idea after another in a dizzying (and, imo, charming) progression
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 20 April 2018 13:47 (one month ago) Permalink
New Nightmare was so bad, iirc. The third and fourth ones both offer innovations without blowing out the basic concept.
― Uppercase (Eric H.), Friday, 20 April 2018 13:55 (one month ago) Permalink
nightmare 4 is genuinely underrated
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 20 April 2018 14:14 (one month ago) Permalink
It's my favorite in the series aside from 2, for gay reasons.
― Uppercase (Eric H.), Friday, 20 April 2018 14:17 (one month ago) Permalink
Yes, 2 and 4 are the best. We have found a point of accord.
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 April 2018 14:36 (one month ago) Permalink
The room-cleaning scene from 2 might be in my all-time top 10 non-horror scenes from horror movies (see also: non-sequitur karate attack in Pieces, others I will need to think long and hard about).
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 April 2018 14:40 (one month ago) Permalink
New nightmare is as bad as all the other Wes Craven films I've seen
― The Rachel Supremacy (wins), Friday, 20 April 2018 14:44 (one month ago) Permalink
Except I saw the original nightmare for the first time two nights ago (having seen a bunch of the sequels on tv) and liked it. The audience were laughing throughout
― The Rachel Supremacy (wins), Friday, 20 April 2018 14:47 (one month ago) Permalink
idk i find nightmare 2 kinda whatever (besides the homoeroticism ofc, which accounts for too little of the movie imo)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 20 April 2018 14:52 (one month ago) Permalink
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― surm, Friday, 20 April 2018 15:09 (one month ago) Permalink
nightmare 2 has my favorite horror film score of the entire decade
― when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Friday, 20 April 2018 15:09 (one month ago) Permalink
It's kinda shocking when the series hits its height with 4 and then drops off a cliff with the next installment, especially since 5 is the only Elm Street sequel that didn't really mess with the formula of the previous film.
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 April 2018 15:11 (one month ago) Permalink
also i really don't find the first 2 13s dull! i love how rhythmic the pacing is, almost like the water; the still cinematography, the lens. love love love.
roger that RE: hellraiser. the weekend is my oyster!
― surm, Friday, 20 April 2018 15:11 (one month ago) Permalink
If the Friday the 13th movies floored you, you might want to already be lying down for Hellraiser. The last time I saw it, I felt duty-bound to travel back in time and chastise my parents for letting me watch it countless times as a youth.
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 April 2018 15:20 (one month ago) Permalink
omg i'm totally pumped y'all.
― surm, Friday, 20 April 2018 15:22 (one month ago) Permalink
agreed! friday 1 is so eerie, the scenes of uninterrupted darkness are so long
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 20 April 2018 15:23 (one month ago) Permalink
i feel like i've participated in a conversation exactly like this at least five times before on this board and i'm just saying the same things over and over again
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 20 April 2018 15:24 (one month ago) Permalink
haha that's life buddyglad you see the film the same way! so beautifully shot
― surm, Friday, 20 April 2018 15:25 (one month ago) Permalink
I'm glad y'all enjoy it. Keep in mind that I'm that one dude who thinks Halloween is super overrated, so who even knows what my opinion is worth.
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 April 2018 15:33 (one month ago) Permalink
First two have a real shot on film for theatres look, misty and atmospheric. Third and beyond look mostly like shit, brightly lit, like a sitcom, ready for cable and VHS.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 April 2018 15:36 (one month ago) Permalink
Is it just the production design and the music that people respond to? I watched the recent upgrade last night and I'll give major props on those elements, and while it's certainly been elevated in my esteem from the muddy VHS copy I watched twenty years ago, that and Jessica Harper are pretty much all the movie has going for it. There are long stretches which, if Goblin weren't going ham on the soundtrack, wouldn't be out of place in some '80s direct-to-video schlockfest.
I dunno, it was gorgeous and mildly unnerving but mostly just fine. I think it might just suffer from overhype as one of the greatest horror films ever when I can't even say for sure that it cracks my top five for 1977.
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Sunday, 22 April 2018 13:14 (one month ago) Permalink
Is it just the production design and the music that people respond to?
Ha, like that's not enough in this case! In fact, that's really all there is. I don't remember much about the plot or acting or anything. It's just an almost oppressively lurid mood piece.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 22 April 2018 13:48 (one month ago) Permalink
yeah for me suspiria (and most giallo, i guess) primarily succeeds re: the balance of overwrought set design and dreaminess with overt shlockiness and incompetence
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 22 April 2018 13:50 (one month ago) Permalink
FTR, I have a very high tolerance for schlock and incompetence. On a similar front, I was primed for this somewhat by watching Cozzi's Starcrash last weekend, which is basically a Star Wars porn film with all of the porn cut out but which has similarly gorgeous production design and lighting, and Suspiria def delivered on that front. I'm very keen on seeing anything with a similar visual style right now (also watched Flash Gordon recently for I guess the first time ever, surprisingly, and it's so dumb but I'm just in love with all the color).
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Sunday, 22 April 2018 14:00 (one month ago) Permalink
I think Suspriria has quite a lot of good scenes and the pin eyed girl and the invisible witch used to really scare me. Maybe it was just too much hype for you, but I really do think it's one of the best.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 22 April 2018 17:17 (one month ago) Permalink
Cozzi did the special effects for Phenomena so that might have to be my next Argento. I know they worked together in other capacities but a visual collaboration between the two seems like it could really be something.
― Across the You Never Her (Old Lunch), Sunday, 22 April 2018 17:49 (one month ago) Permalink
I don't recall that one being visually that impressive. That's Jennifer Connelly controlling bugs with her brain right?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 22 April 2018 18:20 (one month ago) Permalink
Phenomena is amazing!! I just saw it (see above) and LOVED the insects, the monkey, JC, everythingshe is a modern girl who can communicate with insects, sign me up pleasewish i had seen it when i was a kid
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 22 April 2018 18:50 (one month ago) Permalink
Donald Pleasance said the script was so daft he had to go for the role.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 22 April 2018 20:26 (one month ago) Permalink
y'all there's a post-2006 thread isn't there? i really need to like say something about a recent movie
― surm, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 20:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink
Post-2005. Scroll down a little in SNA. It's been updated today.
― Love Theme From Oh God! You Devil (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 21:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink
RIGHT thank you :)
― surm, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 22:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink