But I've become compelled by the idea of experimental hip hop. I expect that a surge of really experimental rap would cause a backlash worse than the anti-prog backlash of the late seventies, but I really can care less about purity aesthetics. I just want to hear something new or innovative in the genre. I feel the genre is being held back by conservatism within the movement. This can change.
Some examples:
1. Extended songs, with long organic instrumental sections and lyrics focused on the abstract or taken from already existing source material (say a book of nineteenth or twentieth century poetry) . Or even emphasis on melodic lines, provided by sample or live musician.
2. Groups that sample 20th century avant garde music, anything from 12 tone, concrete, free jazz, proto-industrial, kraut, whatever, rather than from traditional jazz, rock, or p-funk. Even projects using extensive found sounds would be cool.
3. Unusal or experimental vocal intonation and phrasing. Or vocal lines processed electronically with more than just a vocoder.
4. Hip hop with heavy use of non-western influences and sounds (African, Indian, Asian) or peripheral western sounds. And not just a programmed beep vaguely rooted in a non-western scale.
So, are there any outfits or artists you can point me to?
James
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:36 (twenty years ago) link
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:39 (twenty years ago) link
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:40 (twenty years ago) link
Crosspost.
― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:43 (twenty years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:44 (twenty years ago) link
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:45 (twenty years ago) link
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:46 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:47 (twenty years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:48 (twenty years ago) link
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:49 (twenty years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:50 (twenty years ago) link
(just weird hip-hop)(nothing mentioned about not wanting to shake his rump neither)(I mean you can fuckin' dance to Hawkwind)
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:51 (twenty years ago) link
― geeta (geeta), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:51 (twenty years ago) link
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:51 (twenty years ago) link
― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:51 (twenty years ago) link
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 03:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:53 (twenty years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:54 (twenty years ago) link
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 03:54 (twenty years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:55 (twenty years ago) link
Because instruments are white!
Oh wait...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:56 (twenty years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:56 (twenty years ago) link
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:56 (twenty years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:57 (twenty years ago) link
That's not even clever...where's that sense of humor?
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 03:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:58 (twenty years ago) link
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 03:58 (twenty years ago) link
other than that i dunno
stockhausen wd be a horrible mc (though funny admittedly)
― geeta (geeta), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:59 (twenty years ago) link
― D Aziz (esquire1983), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:04 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:05 (twenty years ago) link
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 04:06 (twenty years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:10 (twenty years ago) link
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:10 (twenty years ago) link
This was Rush's argument too. And Genesis. And Yes.
LeRoi Jones - Blue People
Read it motherfuckers.
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 04:11 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:14 (twenty years ago) link
we can probably close this thread now that kanye has taken hip hop to new levels
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
gershy i was 20
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
"If arguing with Geir is like punching Jello, arguing with ddrake is like punching stinky Jello that complains about your sense of humor as well and then gets bitter and hides."
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
OH NO HE DINT
stay classy my hongro:
James may just give up at once. If you are looking for good and actually musically sophisticated hip-hop, then that is not going to happen. And the responses in this thread show why. Hip-hop are doomed to stay shit forever, because the hip-hop audience has got this sick idea that musical sophistication is "white" (=bad).
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, November 17, 2003 8:49 PM (7 years ago)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Geir Hongro is Bill O'Reilly.
― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
lol deej, i never read this thread until last night
― buzza, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
huh I had never read that Amiri Baraka WTC poem before. kinda sad.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
holy shit this thread
― ilxor, Saturday, 22 January 2011 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link
The trend for normally sensible critics to give accolades to crappy mainstream rap albums continues, with Jay-Z, UGK, Ghostface Killah and Kanye West topping lists. You'd think from them that hip-hop has stopped evoloving and is curled up waiting to die. And please stop encouraging Lil' Wayne. Hitting one clever lyrical turn for every ten raps does not equal brilliance. Soon the market will be flooded by amateur tapes of rappers throwing every rhyme that falls off the top of their heads with no self editing whatsoever, because they know those white critics will eat anything up. Kanye West isn't totally horrible, as he always manages a couple decent singles. But if you actually listen to what else is out there, there's really no excuse. Artists like Dälek, El-P, Aesop Rock, Shape of Broad Minds, Oh No, Busdriver and Cloud Cult are actually pushing the art of hip-hop to new horizons, chipping away at the untapped vast potential for sounds. Oh No dug into Lebanese, Italian and Greek psych rock, and it's only the tip of the iceberg. Pharoahe Monch, Brother Ali, Black Milk and Little Brother showed it's still possible to make accessible hip-hop that's still powerful and relevant. Saul Williams, well, he's like that crazy uncle who freestyles at the family picnics. He's a little embarrassing, but still he speaks the truth.
― if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 04:23 (twelve years ago) link
ahah great thread
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 12:08 (twelve years ago) link
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan I am into some backpacker shit and I TRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIED being one of those dudes back in 2006 and after about 5 minutes of listening to albums made by dudes who shop at Whole Foods and rap about the filthiness of tap water I just longed for some ig'nant ass hip hop.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 12:13 (twelve years ago) link
and what o_O examples for whatever writer that was to use! man Jay-Z can't spit at ALL, can he?
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 12:14 (twelve years ago) link
Artists like Dälek, El-P, Aesop Rock, Shape of Broad Minds, Oh No, Busdriver and Cloud Cult are actually pushing the art of hip-hop to new horizons
wait what the actual fuck? Cloud Cult? they are from here we played a benefit show with them they are like store-brand flaming lips!
bringing back that ol' new york rap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMpOhwUTUwc
― the penultimate prophets (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 March 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, you called him out for that at the time.
― if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 March 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
cloud cult are a bunch of hippies from northfield.
you should check out some other cool hip hop acts like the flaming lips.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, January 3, 2008 2:17 PM Bookmark
― if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 March 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
high point of ILM imo
― the late great, Thursday, 29 March 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
lol i can't remember all this bullshit i post :)
― the penultimate prophets (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
Lol Cloud Cult droppin tha beatz
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
was OP a troll?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
totally sincere
― keef qua keef (Jordan), Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
Memories, the corners, etc.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
OP sounds like a recipe for a Komar & Melamid least wanted hip-hop song
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
Although it kind of makes me want to record a slanged-up version of T.S. Eliot's cantos atonally autotuned over a hindustani raga sample with extended gamelan instrumental
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
OP not a troll, he used to run End of Media (film review site)
― NINO CARTER, Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
(ezra pound's cantos, rather)
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 January 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
still lol at that fastnbulbous post I quoted upthread
― lady steendriver (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 July 2013 00:58 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcyfwaXO7Eo
― what rhymes with Gukbe? (some dude), Thursday, 11 July 2013 01:27 (ten years ago) link
otm
― lady steendriver (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 July 2013 02:44 (ten years ago) link
― lady steendriver (The Reverend), Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol had no idea that was where that was from. love bulbous's posting in the #metal thread and his metal blogs, but damn, STAY AWAY FROM THE RAP lol
also seems he removed the Cloud Cult ref after H3lges0n clowned him for it in the OG thread (the original post on the net is still up!)
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 11 July 2013 03:00 (ten years ago) link
lol I think he meant Clouddead
― lady steendriver (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 July 2013 03:02 (ten years ago) link
haha that post is incredible.
― caek da killa (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 11 July 2013 03:03 (ten years ago) link
course I can't talk too much shit, around the time he posted that I was only listening to Dead Prez, Consequence, Rhymefest, Blackalicious and Kool Keith, lol
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 11 July 2013 03:06 (ten years ago) link
thats a more respectable lineup tbf.
― caek da killa (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 11 July 2013 03:07 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah I'll still stan for most of those d00ds, but I was also anti Jay-Z until like 2006 #shame.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 11 July 2013 03:09 (ten years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, November 17, 2003 8:49 PM
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 11 July 2013 03:10 (ten years ago) link
reading this, i had no trouble understanding what dd was trying to say and i was trapped in the same what the hell is happening here torture.
― dylannn, Thursday, 11 July 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
It was a different era.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 11 July 2013 05:23 (ten years ago) link
I've had the time of my life.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 July 2013 05:29 (ten years ago) link
this is now a decade old thread.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 18 July 2013 05:34 (ten years ago) link
Is there anything happening in backpacker rap in 2013?
― how's life, Thursday, 18 July 2013 08:38 (ten years ago) link
lots of examples of what OP was looking for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sIOqbWdOyg
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 July 2013 08:43 (ten years ago) link
Is there even a record label for this shit anymore?
― how's life, Thursday, 18 July 2013 15:34 (ten years ago) link
yes, it's called bandcamp
― precious bonsai children of new york (Jordan), Thursday, 18 July 2013 15:35 (ten years ago) link
ddrake, my comment towards you was much more addressed at your lame putdowns than anything else. Totally fucking cringeworthy. The error was in not singling out anyone else because a good 85% of this thread reads like a transcript of the time trials for the 2004 Cringelympics.Sadly, because life is deeply unfair, I have no interest or desire in going back and singling out everyone on the thread who was acting the ass, so you'll have to settle for the following:
ATTENTION ILM PLEASE EAT A GIGANTIC DISEASED DICK OK THX
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, November 17, 2003 12:02 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 8 September 2016 05:37 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/KINGS0L0M0N/status/797995621273792512
― pre millennial tension (uptown churl), Monday, 14 November 2016 16:26 (seven years ago) link
Now when you look up at the stars in the skyIt's really, the dandruff from my nuts, so fuck itI got the rhymes and my rhymes are dope
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 04:42 (five years ago) link
5 minutes of talking about hip hop on this board and I feel like killing everyone.
new old board description
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Friday, 20 November 2020 06:17 (three years ago) link
perhaps you are unfamiliar with the concept of "the rump" and why it needs to be "backed up".
― budo jeru, Friday, 20 November 2020 07:06 (three years ago) link
Yes my dick, is longer than an Amtrak, train!Runnin, from here, to Maine!Nonstop - I rock rock and I shockMy dick is so big, that you can call the copsYou can call the National Guard, the Army and the NavyBut yo yo yo baby, my dick is really bigIt's long, it's longer, it's longest, it's biggestIt's me, I even beat beat up the Jolly Green Giant with itCause his shit was smallerI was standin off the edge of a bridgeand it was hangin in the water!! GOD DAMN MY DICK IS LARGE!It's large, it's large, my shit is fuckin large!
― fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 January 2023 23:52 (one year ago) link