Miles' "On the Corner"

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Dom OTM

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

chiming in to agree in that Czukay & Davis are both on record as loving the JB's.

(Jon L), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:47 (twenty years ago) link

...Czukay, having been taught by Stockhausen...

Don't forget Irmin Schmidt, too.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:55 (twenty years ago) link

But Schmidt isn't that taken with Stockhausen whereas Czukay considers him a genius

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

my point was just that he studied with him, buck-o.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

I know, but I'm not sure to what level or to what effect in Irmy's case

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

Elbow tone-clusters...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

You can get ointment for that I believe

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago) link

you shoulda seen the look on Richard Teitelbaum's face when we told him Irmin was in a rock band (this was only a few years ago, too).

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:03 (twenty years ago) link

A song like "Pinch" from Ege Bamyasi sounds like a jam that would happen during a Miles set from that period

This had never occurred to me before, but I can see it. "Pinch" always struck me as similiar to the live 2-part track on the second side of James Brown's Mother Popcorn LP.

Vic Funk, Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:12 (twenty years ago) link

First time I heard "Dark Magus" I thought, wow, this sounds really really like Can. Then when I heard some Can live stuff, I thought, wow, this sounds really really like Miles Davis.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

>you shoulda seen the look on Richard Teitelbaum's face when we told him Irmin was in a rock band (this was only a few years ago, too).

great anecdote! was this after a concert, or were you interviewing Teitelbaum?

(Jon L), Thursday, 17 June 2004 23:21 (twenty years ago) link

no, I studied with him.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 23:22 (twenty years ago) link

well then you must have a huge pile of anecdotes ready to kick down to us

(Jon L), Thursday, 17 June 2004 23:24 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, you, Irm and Dick throwing them back with Roman Polanski and a couple of twelve year-old girls...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 18 June 2004 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

nobody calls him Dick, and you're a freak.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 01:11 (twenty years ago) link

"Teity" then?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 18 June 2004 02:07 (twenty years ago) link

eight months pass...
" One of the things I say early on is that I think everybody has their own Miles"

Wow, Phil totally OTM here. I always feel like everyone has a different top-five Miles records. The other day I found out that a friend of mine's favorite is, like mine, Filles De Kilamanjaro. I've never met ANYONE else who shared this opinion. I have another good friend, a musician, who loves Jack Johnson and loves Nefertiti and Sorcerer and stuff like that, but when I played him Filles, he couldn't get into it at all. I myself can't get into Jack Johnson, but I'm really loving On The Corner. I think whoever made the Can comparison above was also pretty on point.

It's a remarkably repetitive album, but the changes that take place over the repitition make it effective. It's amazing how different the same groove sounds when it comes in on Black Satin and when it comes in on One on One, all because of the handclaps on the former, versus the second drum track added on the latter.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 21 February 2005 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm stuck across the country in a dismal relentless rainpour with no music and damn, would Files de Kilamanjaro sound perfect right now.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Monday, 21 February 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

When I heard the remastered Ege Bamyasi, "Pinch" exploded in my head and I had to drag On The Corner out again. The two could totally be mixed together; in fact, if they were released today, some DJ almost certainly would be attempting to do so.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 21 February 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Filles was my favorite for a number of years. Now, if I could only have one Miles album it would probably be Miles Smiles or Live Around the World.

I think I lost On the Corner, which is too bad because I'd really like to hear it again.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 21 February 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Larry Young's Lawrence of Newark is a very similar, also (but not quite as) great record with many of the same points of comparison

Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 03:33 (nineteen years ago) link

The two could totally be mixed together; in fact, if they were released today, some DJ almost certainly would be attempting to do so.

some djs have, regardless of when these were released.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn, I really want to hear that Larry Young record now.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 05:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Listening to "Black Satin" on headphones is a head-warping experience. The sound pans from left to right and back again so rapidly that I find it a bit painful to listen to. (album still classic of course)

haitch (haitch), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Lawrence Of Newark, but it's hardly the same thing. That had much more of a placid, spiritual feel (unsurprising, given that it came out when Young was working with Pharoah Sanders and Santana). It's the feeling of drifting along on a lazy summer afternoon in the city, rather than the near-riot of OTC.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Bits of are not at all placid! But it certainly is a whole different thing.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
My neighbor played on On The Corner. I've heard it called the Apocalypse Now of jazz, with Miles taunting and torturing the band as he kept changing his mind as to how the sessions should sound, not letting them know when the tape was rolling, etc. And my neighbor is certainly one of the victims (though the rest of the seventies funk scene surely contributed.) The man is childlike most of the time, sometimes cheerful, but more often timid or listless. He'll be waiting for a taxi, and I'll walk out and he'll hide behind the porch pillars. I've been living next to him for five years, and we're moving out in a few days. Only once did he bring up music, one day while I was packing a guitar into my trunk. He said, "I used to be a musician too...I used to play with Miles Davis." He looked as happy as I'd ever seen him, and I was giddy with the chance to finally ask him about it. "I heard that Miles was a hard nut" I said. He turned to stone, like some sort of severe flashback washed over him, and walked away.

bendy (bendy), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

methinks yr leaving out some key details.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Harold "Ivory" Williams

bendy (bendy), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

freaky! also sad.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Aw.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Sonny Sharrock once recounted the following exchange to me:

MD: "Sonny, give me your amplifier!"
SS: "But Miles, you don't play guitar."
MD: "FUCK you!" [slams down phone]

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Found my copy of "Get Up With It" tonight after seeking it for weeks -- it was right here on my messy desk. Damn, but "Calypso Frelimo" and "Rated X" are the jam.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 06:01 (eighteen years ago) link

He'll be waiting for a taxi, and I'll walk out and he'll hide behind the porch pillars

Maybe he doesn't like white people.

sourdough (sourdough), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...
five years pass...

on the corner otm

j., Thursday, 28 August 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link

lol this is great

Sonny Sharrock once recounted the following exchange to me:
MD: "Sonny, give me your amplifier!"
SS: "But Miles, you don't play guitar."
MD: "FUCK you!" [slams down phone]

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:19 AM (8 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tylerw, Thursday, 28 August 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link

listened to this on the way to work this morning. so good

marcos, Thursday, 28 August 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link

it's kind of an unbelievable record

tylerw, Thursday, 28 August 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link

lol @ Sharrock story.

It's such a cliche at this point, but this record still sounds ahead of its time. I can't even imagine what listeners -- of any stripe -- must have made of it at the time.

I was listening to Hancock's Sextant last night, which I just got a couple months ago. It's great, I love it, but I can't shake the feeling that it's Hancock basically saying, "Oh yeah? Well...I made a record like that...too...! ...called... Around the Block!" Like a shinier OTC, but with synths.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:56 (nine years ago) link

Those two records sound nothing alike.

The Reverend, Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:10 (nine years ago) link

Henderson's playing on the Herbie record is a dead ringer for Miles', right down to some phrases xeroxed from Miles records.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:11 (nine years ago) link

sextant sounds a bit more like some of miles OTHER fusion-era records, but not especially like those even, the synth prominence and the band makeup and the full on slow funk in the rhythm section makes sure of that

j., Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:12 (nine years ago) link

The synth prominence is the key difference in terms of the arrangements, and I'm not saying the two records are utterly indistinguishable from one another; more that Sextant strikes me as Hancock's more tidy and/or slick (not meant pejoratively) impression of what Miles was doing. ymmv, presumably.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:21 (nine years ago) link

the two recs that hancock made just before sextant - Mwandishi and Crossings - are even more milesean fusionoid.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link

slick?? are you sure you're even talking about sextant

j., Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link

Yep, relative to OTC.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link

One of the things I love about the first Mwandishi album is that Hancock hired Ronnie Montrose as a session guitarist on it, then had him play a little tiny clicking noise for 20 minutes, like the most minimalist possible interpretation of James Brown-ian rhythm guitar. Hilarious.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link

a lot of Sextant sounds almost like minimalist techno while On The Corner sounds like a full on industrial funk freak out

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Thursday, 28 August 2014 20:05 (nine years ago) link


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