HIPSTER (the pit of vipers)

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I don't doubt this sort of person exists but this is just a way to paint his opponents with the brush of insincerity, though it seems to me denying the visceral pleasures of catchy pop music isn't exactly being honest!

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 12 May 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

oh you kylie fan

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 12 May 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

The idea of "thinkpiece" as insult is pretty funny.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Their masks fit tight on their faces

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked it.

― KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

The original article that is...

― KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I have one other friend IRL who likes Kylie Minogue but literally keeps the CDs hidden in a shoebox in his closet (ahem)

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I may still have a shoebox in the closet of my room at my mom's with all my old cassingles in it - "Pop Goes The Weasel," "Sowing The Seeds Of Love," "It Ain't Over Till It's Over," "Rock And A Hard Place," "No Myth" but I might have tossed it.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a friend who has a post-Dick Marillion cupboard.

― KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

my favorite cassingle was "The Hitman" by AB Logic.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a drawer at my parents' house filled with Dokken, Savatage, and Paula Abdul tapes.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

god its scary how easily I can tie my tastes then to my tastes now: ironic hip-pop? check. bonkers well-intentioned overproduction? check. old school soul rips? check. awkward polito-rock? check. cryptic art-folk over hard drum beats? check.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

This reads like Raggett and by that I mean that it is full of hatred.

:-( (Regardless, it is not by me.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't this aimed directly at ILMers? It's about all the hating that goes on here, and from alleged music lovers. I had conceived of a similar post callled "I Love Music, but I hate Music Lovers" (but I was too sensitive to post it here - and face the above).

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

If it isn't it probably should be.

― KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Kidding, Ned! ;D

― d'ngullberry (noisemeltdown), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Somewhere DeRog and Andy Wang are laughing at us!

(although, thanks to Wang for leading me here)

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

he's asking for the death of all dialogue.

Bingo.

What the hell is the point of this fucking post? The person who wrote it saw some hipsters at the mall and was jealous because he was all alone and he just wants to hang out with them SO FUCK THOSE GUYS, FAKE UPPER MIDDLE CLASS TRUST FUND PHONIES. So? What's the point?

― Dred Furst, Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link

CHRIS PENN, Miccio?

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno. I might be drunk, but I think it's good. Music is a thing where people are constantly manoeuvering, deliberately or otherwise to ensure they are 'ahead' of the game. It gets on my tits. I agree with the poster, I think.

I don't see why jealousy has to be the only reason. It certainly isn't for me; it's just a bit annoying a generally held opinion (at least one that seems to appear organically) is that there has to be some concensus on how one should think and to then constantly change the goalpoasts to prove how on 'ahead' of the game you are. I see this all the time.

In some sense there is perhaps no point in any post like this or any discussion around it, at least from my point of view. The 'coolest', most 'leftfield' thing anyone can manage in my point of view is to have their own brain inside their head, and that's about the size of it. But it's a laff isn't it?

Either way, in my opinion, the poster does describe well a situation that does exist with .

― KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think jealousy has anything to do with it. It's half-digested bullshit, and anything more I could add was already noted way above by Daddino.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

CHRIS PENN, Miccio?

MICHAEL Penn!!! And I stand by "No Myth," god drum machine + acoustic guitar is a beautiful thing man. Helps explain my fondness for Sugar Ray.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.mervius.com/uploadpremiere/starsky_chris_penn.jpg

what if I was romeo in black jeans?
what if I was heathcliff? It's no myth.
What if she's just looking for...someone to dance with.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I have never, in the flesh, met anyone so interested in denigrating another person's music taste as the hypothetical "hipster" in the initial post. On the internet, okay sure, but the social dynamic here is different and such aggressiveness is not limited to the subject of music... but when I'm sitting around at a show talking to folks or discussing things with my friends or even people I've just met, I've never met anyone who was so rude as to sneer or snicker when someone professed a love for something. people might disagree or whatever, but its fairly well understood these things come down to personal taste. anyway, yeah, total strawman/hyper-defensive balonium...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

AH FUCK, MICHAEL! You win this time etc, and yeah that song's pretty Ok as I remember

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

That sounds very nice. Perhaps you're lucky, Shakey. I've been insulted by jocks about poor coordination, and insulted by hipsters for liking Rush. It's all just fun and games to the people who do the teasing. It smarts a little to the people getting teased. I think this thread, the mere assumption it's about Derogatis, and the other one actually about Derogatis, with all the venom on it, sort of demonstrate the point whoever started this thread made, that he feels "They"’re spoiling for a fight, "for a bloody nose smashed against the glass wall."

― hipsterpod, Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Their masks fit tight on their faces

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i've been insulted by ketchup-haters for liking ketchup! i got over it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm over getting tripped on basketball courts, too. I just think the fool has some kind of point. Maybe he's made it in a way that makes people too defensive to consider it. But there does seem to be a lot of competition and insults attached to music geekdom. Maybe that's interesting to consider, maybe it's not.

― hipsterpod, Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe somebody who writes a frothing post like that anonymously shouldn't be throwing around phrases like "smarmy and insecure" and "personally and professionally frustrated." I did have to take out "overeducated."

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

[[[I've never met anyone who was so rude as to sneer or snicker when someone professed a love for something]]]

Shakey, I have, but it was in the indie-90's. He actually had the nerve to do it in my apt (he was sneering at my Hip-Hop past). I evetually got around to talking about Van Dyke Parks and Jim O'rourke and he fucking started gushing, as if he hadn't already pissed all over my earlier parade.

He was never invited back.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

shouldn't be throwing around phrases like "smarmy and insecure" and "personally and professionally frustrated."

But it wouldn't have been so much fun without that!

― KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i never said it wasn't fun!

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree with you, miccio. But setting aside his rhetoric for a second, even though he sort of performs what he's complaining about, there is a lot of oneupsmanship in a lot of music conversations. Again, maybe that's not even worth talking about.

― hipsterpod, Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I have, in real life, ridiculed people's musical tastes in pretty much the same way that the original post posits. I do not feel guilty about this because A) at the time I was 16; and B) if you are insecure enough in your musical preferences that someone else can make you cry over them, you need to get a gigantic backbone and stop being so damned sensitive.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

oh it's worth talking about, but there's no reason to give a guy credit for pointing out what he's clearly trying (and failing) to do.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

i never said it wasn't fun!

Oh yes, sorry, carry on!

― KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

(That's a Blackadder quote that probably doesn't make a lot of sense to most... Sorry)

― KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I get the point of the piece, but the way that it seems to hinge on the question "what's your favorite band?" just seems kind of fatally corny. I mean, do people really have "favorite bands" in that sports team supporter sense of the term? I mean, I spend a shocking percentage of my income on music, I listen to it all day long everyday, I am either thinking about it, writing about it, or making it pretty much every day. But I don't have a "favorite band" and don't know all that many people who do. It just seems that the pleasures provided by different recordings are so hyper-specific that to rate and compare them and say that X is .02% "greater" than Y in some kind of quantifiable manner is
A) optional
B) unverifiable
C) silly
D) doomed
E) all of the above

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, do people really have "favorite bands" in that sports team supporter sense of the term?

Er, yeah. Absolutely.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry, Who Is Deeply Obssessed With The Cure And Prince (Dan Pe, Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

B) if you are insecure enough in your musical preferences that someone else can make you cry over them, you need to get a gigantic backbone and stop being so damned sensitive.

That's for sure.

I have no favorite bands whatsoever. *thinks about how great the next Walkabouts album must be*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not so sure about this. Some people are just more sensitive than others; some can overcome this, some cannot. I guess this follows a normal distribution.

I think you do need to be sensitive to people's opinions if you don't want to upset them. Surely you can't just barge under the assumption that they should bloody well learn to deal with it.

― KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

That should have read 'barge in'. I blame the drink.

― KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I think you do need to be sensitive to people's opinions if you don't want to upset them. Surely you can't just barge under the assumption that they should bloody well learn to deal with it.

Remind me to tell you the amusing story of "Stormy and the Cure thread."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Please do... Are you in Scotland any time soon?

― KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

KeefW OTM.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

About the sensitivity thing, I mean. Ultimately, I'm not gonna go crying because you insulted my favorite band, but let's not excuse dickish behavior, either.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Which is not to say I totally agree with the original post on this thread or anything -- just a stray thought.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

PapaWheelie, me too, many people in the 'indie-90s' and beyond. There are a minority of people who behave in this way, I think. Because these people are mouthy, they tend to earn respect from others, which I suppose is what winds up annoying, if you think they are talking shite.

― KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, people should be respectful of each other. People are ruder on the internet than they are in person because they don't fear the beatdown, don't have to look the person in the face. But the last thing this threadstarter is doing is arguing that we should all respect each other.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

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