Sasha Frere-Jones: Really?????

rap = dead, dubstep = best music out

got it

were rock stans this belligerent when the genre was 25 years old and people didn't think it was still some radical new force for shakin up the charts and started lookin around for other shit to get excited about?

wait lol don't answer that

well basically that's why we ended up with punk rock; if hip-hop's version is snap/jerk, I can only wait with bated breath for the awesome post-jerk hip-hop that should be rolling out this decade

xpost disco-burning stadium rallies etc etc.

they were enraged! they killed disco cuz they were so mad.

x-post

hahahaha, yeah, what he said.

were rock stans this belligerent when the genre was 25 years old and people didn't think it was still some radical new force for shakin up the charts and started lookin around for other shit to get excited about?

wait lol don't answer that

― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:02 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

who's being belligerent? is dubstep a radical new force?

So I was really enjoying Arch Cupcake's "Box of Bees" (wow that sounds dirty) until it got to the bit with the pitchshifted chanting of his name which reaffirmed that, no matter what the music actually sounds like, seriously fuck anyone who thinks calling themselves "The Arch Cupcake" is a good idea.

i am excited about new rap. a bunch of us have been transcribing, in detail, one popular rapper's verses in another thread every time a successive tape comes out. & hes the one huge artist this article really seems to overlook

"who's being belligerent?"

Yeah I wouldn't characterize deej as belligerent. Ridiculously whiny hits the mark, I think.

my cousin Arch Cupcake Darn13113 is going to beat your ass btw Dan

wait so john d. isn't darn1elle? but he is also a singer/songwriter. i'm confused.

are "state of the genre" essays that make big pronouncements EVER satisfying? i have yet to read one that doesn't sound foolish.

john d's real name is Cupcake Jones

john D is actually John Dean

is he related to persecution smith?

xpost

QUE, GOOGLEPROOF

shit my bad SLutc@ke J0nes

i mean Cupc@ake J0nes

i don't think it's that whiny to think that sfj piece seems to pick three pretty odd albums to hang it's "state of hip hop" thesis on...i mean i'm no gucci stan but it seems like as much noise as he's made in the last two years he should be mentioned.

no but "lol rap is important fuckin dubstep what are you nerds on about" is kinda the '09 version of "punk rock, pshaw, that's not even music"

I find deej to be generally pretty shrill and whiny (and this "why do people care about I don't, I don't get it" thing is part and parcel of that). I have no interest in SFJ's particular (weak) thesis cuz whether or not he thinks "hip-hop is dead" will affect how I listen to music not one bit.

so dubstep is the new punk rock

QED, lock thread

too many u.s. rap fans burned by grime. and then ilm made them buy a big & rich album. they are understandably suspicious about this so called "dubstep".

I love deej a lot & actually especially love that if you suggest that rap's kind of an established genre experiencing the same sort of pertinence-slump that all pop genres experience after a few decades, he will unload on you as the out-of-touch ancient fossil u are

reviewer in oversimplification shockah

The future is here, Foghat fans. Embrace it or fuck off.

personally i'm loving all the stuff in the margins of rap right now...like all the stuff that will never be big and doesn't seem to care, like sean price or dj quik or that dj paul album or marco polo & torae or prodigy mixtapes or freddie gibbs or trae or killer mike or the new raekwon etc etc etc

foghat had some pretty tasty grooves

is burial "real" dubstep or like fake dubstep for suckas, cuz i thought that album was pretty neat

He's a little of both.

i dont think i ever disagreed that raps relevance to wider pop music was at a low(er) ebb but i cant help but feel like his pursuit of the "the avant-garde, or even the timekeeper, for pop music" is part of the reason i dont think he really understands what the genre has ever really been about, or that him being drawn to it feels like this endless quest for superficially "avant-garde" "timekeepers" that ignores what is actually fundamentally shaping ppl's engagement w/ music ... basically the whole "any rap song that sounds like 'grinding' is a crazy avant garde classic" writ large

okay, i looked this one up too from that list. i dunno how i feel about it. can we ban robot fartz in 2010?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-a0YirtI-M

Hmm, saw Jimmy Fallon recently, and of all things Eve was on and felt the need to mention that she was currently working with some Dubstep artists, which she then qualified as some underground music from England.

I still don't know how to tell if something's dubstep unless someone tells me it's dubstep tbh.

Tbh, anyone watching Fallon is probably stoned enough that the clarification was warranted.

^^^ misread that as 'Falcon' and envisioned dudes re-watching Balloon Boy youtubes and doing bong hits.

Well, yeah.

heres the thing -- im fine w/ dubstep existing in its own world & 'continuum' (that i mostly ignore) but it really does feel like every time theres a new microgenre of triphop in the uk everyone starts shitting themselves about how its the next big thing & wow this totally avant garde timekeeper zeitgeist music is blowing my fuckin mind man. then i go to a party here where someone's playing dubstep & it looks like an IT dude with a ponytail is playing Quake while he DJs this generation's IDM to some stoned hippies in hoodies.

one of the reasons ive really been drawn to funky house is that it feels like a genre so unconcerned w/ hitting some linear PROGRESS OF MUSIC narrative & instead is simultaneously "not doing anything new" but more accurately doing something very very new, w/out lazy signifier of THIS IS THAT NEXT SHIT-type acid squelches or grinding basslines or ridiculous dissensus narratives imposed & overdone (i.e. is anyone gonna pretend that the concept of Burial doing ghostly versions of two step is a concept deserving of more than a couple songs?)

this is also how i feel about gucci, its w/in a traditional rap framework, sure, no autotune, hes not feeling to disco, instead hes subtly & quietly doing a whole bunch of shit w/ his music that i havent heard an artist do before ... its not advertising itself as NEXT LEVEL PROGRESSIVE CRIT MUSIC but its basically the freshest sounding rap music out right now (ties in w/ what matt is saying about quik & kurupt etc too -- altho dude that marco polo / torae album is super dry)

nstead hes subtly & quietly doing a whole bunch of shit w/ his music that i havent heard an artist do before

Really? Like what?

should say "fleeing to disco" not feeling

trying to decide what's a worse name - Arch Cupcake or Porcupine Tree

^^^totally feelin deej on dubstep, I gotta say. I hate that whole forced "music must move FORWARD" narrative. load of bullshit.

I AM FEELING TO DISCO TONITE, MY SWEET FOXES...

the band is called "fleet foxes" jon

were rock stans this belligerent when the genre was 25 years old and people didn't think it was still some radical new force for shakin up the charts and started lookin around for other shit to get excited about?

wait lol don't answer that

― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:02 PM (39 minutes ago)

nah

http://dkpresents.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/2503394061_e13334a22a_o.jpg

was my "don't answer that" joak at the end of the post there really so opaque

altho dude that marco polo / torae album is super dry

ah man it's nothin' new for sure, but that shits like pizza to me. just what i want sometimes you know?

nstead hes subtly & quietly doing a whole bunch of shit w/ his music that i havent heard an artist do before

Really? Like what?

― the blackest thing ever seen (HI DERE), Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:39 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i mean...i'm not near as big on him, but i think deej is right in a way, he's definitely...eccentric i guess seems like the right word...like his words and flow is eccentric in a way that's not instantly going to hit you like "weird" like a doom or kool keith but IS really weird in a way...but you gotta kinda dig to hear it.

Dubstep is probably the most backward looking "continuum" genre ever though. It's a new genre name, but anyone pretending its anything outside a refinement of existing genres is fooling themselves.

i read that as "deej please don't bring gucci into this" :(

xxp