― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
I don't like Osmonds either. Those guys weren't melodically and harmonically sophisticated enough.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
he still won't answer the question of why his side is losing
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
and why is your side losing the war?
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
I think you have totally lost the argument here. Beatles rhythms were often quite ferocious, particularly when they were at their best...
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sheik Mamhoud Custos ibn-Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
Technology is actually a keywoard here
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
Why? State your case...
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sheik Mamhoud Custos ibn-Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
In the past, if you wanted to become a musician, you had to start playing and listening already in your childhood. Now you may suddenly, as a teenager, despite having had a scant music interest during your childhoos, decide "I want to make music", and actually, you manage to make something that may sound like music to untrained musical ears.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
But surely technological advances were at the heart of those mathematically inspired Ancient theories, meaning that all they did was change the way music was made/perceived. These are simply examples of music's evolution and you refuse to see the validity of one while droning on about the virtues of another. This is little short of hypocrisy and it fits in with an overall view that barely skirts racism as far as I can see.
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
They didn't change music, they invented music. Important difference.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Monday, 21 April 2003 20:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
An important misconception on your part Geir and total balderdash
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
On the other hand, when for instance Eminem or Beastie Boys makes typically "black" music, their music is not any better than what black acts have come up with within the same genres.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
But critiques of it can and if this is the case then why does music have to be European in your view?
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
Hip-hop is more likely to piss off parents now that it has become dominant and threatening to more melodic forms.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Monday, 21 April 2003 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 21:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
Music is European.
This isn't as much about rejecting African cultural traditions as it is about defending European ones and keeping them alive forever.
Rock is actually a comination of African and European musical styles. Why, then, is it that all European elements should be taken away from music, which is the case with most hip-hop and R&B.
I mean, what is usually seen as "white" music is actually a mixture of European and African traditions, while funk, rap and hip-hop are African only with absolutely no European stylistic elements at all. Fine that, but not if it is going to replace the wonderful tradition of melodies and harmonics.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 21:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
Whatever, we should all just give up, he won't be satisfied until we're all singing "Hongro, Hongro Uber Alles."
― hstencil, Monday, 21 April 2003 21:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Monday, 21 April 2003 21:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
why is that pathetic? i'd say its healthy and nautral, even instinctive. the main reasons i loved the hip hop and dance, however unmusical (in geir's or the supposed official terminology) it was, is because it was new and exciting, politically charged, sonically innovative regardless of lack of melody/trad/conventional traits in music. maybe it isnt REAL music...so what? its still art, and great art at that. but i'll call it music because its closely related.
Non-melodic music will never replace melodic music.
they will co-exist just fine...if the former is outstripping the latter commercially then thats too bad but it makes sense
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Monday, 21 April 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 21:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 21:34 (twenty-one years ago) link