― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:15 (twenty-two years ago) link
It's dialectical.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:15 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:22 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:24 (twenty-two years ago) link
and please note that this is based on "Alley-Oop" not real facts
Roots reggae always had a conservative slant
and hell yeah to that! I still don't understand why the emperor-worshipping back-to-the-land anti-gay anti-woman pro-Bible religious elements of reggae get such a free pass to groovytown just because they smoke pot (take out the emperor and bible and you got the MC5 too)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:29 (twenty-two years ago) link
Lord C. - what are the differences between ska(1) and ska(2)?
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:31 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:33 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:34 (twenty-two years ago) link
have I got an ILE thread for you ;)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:36 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:39 (twenty-two years ago) link
The Clash and some others responded (I think) to the liberation theology in there - and the groove - but that spark seems to have been quite ably contained somehow.Tragic, really. We shoulda let it all flow out of us.
I mean the last time I was over at June Cleaver's she had Bob Marley - "Legend" in her CD stack. And "London Calling".Yeah, but YOUR June Cleaver is Rockist Scum who has the records but never listens to them. The June Cleaver I'm referring to still thinks Tony Bennett is too racy for her blood.
Fritz: have I got an ILE thread for youPost a link, and I'll take a look.
― Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:40 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:55 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 16:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
That's Mark on the left getting rid of Custos in the middle while Fritz looks on in horror. I'm in the background with the white hat thinking "The hell?"
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 16:26 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 16:27 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 17:18 (twenty-two years ago) link
What you're talking about definitely applies to many punk subgenres, but I think the "alt-country" movement might be a better example of "musical conservatism."
― Clyde, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 17:37 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 20:10 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 20:13 (twenty-two years ago) link
Tracer I don't agree - the look is more negative than just jealousy. I read it as a bit of jealousy, a bit of fear, a bit of disappointment. I think punk - like most 'scenes' - must have been a crushing disappointment for a lot of scared or shy kids who wanted a place where they could 'fit in' and 'be themselves' and discovered that it *was* themselves who made them unable to fit in, not the square straight world (or whatever).
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 08:26 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 08:42 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 12:10 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 15:54 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 16:15 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 16:22 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 16:24 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 28 August 2002 16:44 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 28 August 2002 16:45 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 28 August 2002 16:51 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tracer hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 17:27 (twenty-two years ago) link
I'm reminded of the Venn Diagram Mark S reprints in his 'Concrete' essay - here are the punks and here are the non-punks and here are the people who don't fit into either. The reading is that those people are sympathetic but I think they can be sympathetic and also frightened and miserable and disappointed.
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 21:46 (twenty-two years ago) link
i suppose this is hardly earth-shaking news but it just goes to show: when is jello biafra going to get a propah job, eh? (i haf still not forgiven him for "too drunk to fuck", i paid GOOD MONEY FOR THAT you laYMoR)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 22:01 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 28 August 2002 22:33 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 23:08 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 August 2002 12:40 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 29 August 2002 12:48 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Thursday, 29 August 2002 16:38 (twenty-two years ago) link