What do you expect, nabisco? This is ILM we're talking about; pretty much any time Bill Cosby gets brought up, it's in the context of young white guys getting defensive about listening to black people call each other "nigger".
-- HI DERE, Monday, October 15, 2007 8:07 PM
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm just gonna let that sit there.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link
thanksbighoosakathesteedriver.jpg
― deej, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't get it what you mean hoos.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
oh unless....
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link
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― Dom Passantino, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
why does black people never want to goth?
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
haah while looking for thanksbighoos.jpg i found this:
I think black people would either be more or perhaps less likely to kick a drunk woman out of a hotel for calling a gay coworker a fag. Does ILX have an opinion on this?
-- Dom Passantino, Sunday, May 27, 2007 3:05 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Link
― deej, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
It's the question that needs to be answered.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
"Y'see Theo, when you call my gay co-worker a fag, y'see..." etc etc etc etc
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I think I'm going to sit this one out.
― The Reverend, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
should bill cosby kick jay blanchard out of a hotel for calling ronaldinho a fag?
― deej, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Depends how much he tipped.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 15 October 2007 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link
"The most important reason for the decline of musical miscegenation, however, is social progress. Black musicians are now as visible and as influential as white ones." http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musical/2007/10/22/071022crmu_music_frerejones?currentPage=1 dear cos, everything is fine. yours, sfj
― kamerad, Monday, 15 October 2007 22:46 (sixteen years ago) link
everything is fine?
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 15 October 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link
This really deserves its own thread (or just to be ignored), but WOW I love how he makes his thesis about how rap and rock couldn't be further apart by dismissing rap-metal and hip-hop influenced pop-rock as "commercial, if generally unappealing" even though it's sold shitloads more than Flaming Lips, Wilco and every other white act he'd rather blather about in relation to Snoop Dogg.
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link
and all the indie rap groups that are actually pretty much rock groups like why? and all that anticon type stuff.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 15 October 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Linkin Park? What's a Linkin Park? Are they as big as Devendra?
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
I only read the first page of that article and I'm not sure I want to read the rest.
― HI DERE, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:06 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm glad he's articulating what I find...troubling about the likes of Panda Bear, but his ill-advised journey through the last 35 years of rock stops the thing cold (although, what I know, maybe this is news to New Yorker readers). And then stuff like this:
Last month, in the Times, the white folk rocker Devendra Banhart declared his admiration for R. Kelly’s new R. & B. album “Double Up.” Thirty years ago, Banhart might have attempted to imitate R. Kelly’s perverse and feather-light soul. Now he’s just a fan
Substitute "white folk rocker Joni Mitchell" for Devendra and "admiration for Marvin Gaye's new Let's Get It On" and it's not as far-fetched as he thinks.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link
*although, what do I know
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Maroon 5? Gym Class Heroes? White Stripes? Those aren't popular "rock" bands really, they're not as relevant to the discussion as the Fiery Furnaces and Panda Bear.
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:12 (sixteen years ago) link
When discussing the history of rock bands mining black music for inspiration, it's important to ignore all acts that reach shooting range of gold.
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:13 (sixteen years ago) link
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I see that he's now calling his own old group Ui, a funk band. Did he always do that--I seem to recall them being considered a postrock band or some such. Parts of the article make sense to me, but then elsewhere he 's got unsupported statements that I strongly disagree with. Am not sure what Bill Cosby would think. Sasha's been warning on his blog that he was gonna post or write something that would get attention. I guess this it it (it's a followup of something he presented at the EMP a few years back, isn't it?).
― curmudgeon, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:14 (sixteen years ago) link
the real question: would Cliff, Claire, and Sandra Huxtable have gone to a Ui concert?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link
relax people there's always been honky music, it's not a crime
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link
indie musicians making shitty music bcuz of cowardly indecision = new yorker article
― deej, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I think that article's pretty good - cringeworthy references to own music and debatable cherrypicking of history aside - certainly it articulates a dynamic that seems readily apparent to me, and has been for quite some time (at least, as he notes, since the early 90s and Pavement)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:18 (sixteen years ago) link
um, college rock in the 80s was plenty white too
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link
and the entire history of the British charts in the 1980's.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:20 (sixteen years ago) link
i miss the ass shakin' beats of dino jr. and throwing muses
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:20 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean if we're gonna focus solely on art-rock, we can take this much further back than Pavement.
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Whatever -- it's an article in the goddamn New Yorker! I don't expect its audience to understand the distinctions between a Style Council record and Panda Bear's attempts to studiously avoid sounding like a Style Council record.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:22 (sixteen years ago) link
hahaha
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link
i never really got why it was so bad that some indie rock wasn't danceable or sounded white or whatever, excepting like douchebags that think indie is inherently superior, like i dunno there's got to be music for dancing, there's got to be music for being unemployed and sitting around at 2 in the afternoon feeling sorry for yourself and smoking schwag.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:24 (sixteen years ago) link
ew!
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:24 (sixteen years ago) link
nobody said it's bad, we're just laughing at the idea that this is news or has anything to do with a decrease in "miscegenation" in popular music.
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:25 (sixteen years ago) link
i wish he would finish upending the canon and just stop talking about bad indie bands altogether.
― deej, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:25 (sixteen years ago) link
its weird - one thing he doesn't get into at all is how the Rock Music Industry(tm) basically ruined the blues as source material with its endless parade of cheesy white guitarists trying to bee authentic (see: Blueshammer by way of Clapton). White guys appropriating blues became such a bad, egregious aesthetic and political error that it basically sped an entire generation (punk generation, cf. Talking Heads' "no blues rule", Greg Ginn, etc.) in the opposite direction.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:26 (sixteen years ago) link
but then he'd have to deal with the commercial if generally unappealing, deej!
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:26 (sixteen years ago) link
the real horrifying idea would be IF arcade fire decided to incorporate hip hop influences
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link
One shouldn't be forced to think about tacky things like popular rock bands when discussing rock history
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link
history is written by the losers
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.publispain.com/posters/revenge_of_the_nerds.jpg
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd have been more comfortable with a reactionary but worthy-of-discussion-in-a-mainstream-liberal-publication essay on the twentysomething music fans who want to talk to you about Of Montreal's album over Ciara's -- who'll privilege the former over the latter for reasons they can't even articulate.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link
I believe the New Yorker would consider that killing the goose, better to sing "Everybody's beautiful" and pretend 311 doesn't STILL sell more than the Flaming Lips.
― da croupier, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:33 (sixteen years ago) link
goddamn it I'm drunk and I'm going to listen to the Style Council.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:35 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, October 15, 2007 11:31 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
would you seriously want to read that article??
― s1ocki, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:45 (sixteen years ago) link
hell yeah! The Great Big World Outside ILM doesn't understand the problem. (And before anyone jumps in to say, "Well, Of Montreal's album is better than Ciara's," understand that the college-age twentysomething to whom SFJ is indirectly addressing his essay won't even consider buying the Ciara album; at most they'll buy a song.)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:50 (sixteen years ago) link
the problem that some college students prefer indie rock to r&b?
― s1ocki, Monday, 15 October 2007 23:55 (sixteen years ago) link