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For Tim and anyone else that cares, the 1Xtra links are all working again now.

― the baby from three men and a baby, but all growed up (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:16 (twenty years ago) link

Lee/Tinman I like your blog lots but you should post more!!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

Foulplayification! around this mark:
: Playing 32kbps
: 17:05:10

in the new Femme Fatale set with Kano & Mac 10

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

That set is still playing De La Soul live for me instead of Femme :-(

I notice that Femme and Richie are increasingly parting ways, with Femme playing more and more grime and Richie playing more and more old skool.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

Tim, I've had problems with 1XTRA site in the past
and discovered that messing around with it (repeating, trying all the different (multiple for each DJ) links) sometimes produces breakthrough

except, last week I successfully loaded Femme Fatale, had to stop it, came back to it and got the De La show again - aaaah!

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah I think that's what happened to me! Grr.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:25 (twenty years ago) link

It's still working for me! There's some nice stuff on there too...

― the baby from three men and a baby, but all growed up (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 January 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

that bit that lukas talking about with kano 20 mins in makes hims sound like mc paul barman!!!!!!!

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

fuck that riddim at 40.00 is amazing!!!!!!!

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 16 January 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

what are good shops in london to buy 12"s from? names and streets, preferably.

also, what are good ukg websites worth checking?

(questions from a friend, he wanted asking).

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:12 (twenty years ago) link

Blackmarket, isn't it?

Rewind mag site is all right. Hyperdub also.

Has anyone heard the j2k thing yet??

― East Bay Crackhaus (nordicskilla), Saturday, 17 January 2004 04:47 (twenty years ago) link

tell him rhythm division on roman road.

― ', Saturday, 17 January 2004 10:39 (twenty years ago) link

the words "grime garage" are in big writing on the front of the daily telegraph this morning!

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 17 January 2004 13:23 (twenty years ago) link

ta luka.

wht's the article like toby?

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 17 January 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link

i don't know, it was sealed and i wasn't going to buy it to find out. part of a feature on music in 2004 i think so prob not very exciting.

what's this wiley track called "morgue" that i'm waiting to download, then?

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 17 January 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

Grime garage
Spiritual homes: Bow in east London; Croydon; the internet; radio stations broadcast from scary tower blocks.
Musical influences: raving, Playstations, hand-rolled hydroponic cigarettes.
Key accessory: a mean-looking crew of mates.
Anthem: Ground Zero by Wiley.
In the cities and suburbs of the UK, a sound is being created so new that no one yet knows quite what to call it. Young kids with access to cheap and simple music-making software (sometimes even on Playstations) are blending the dancefloor funk of UK garage with the bass-heavy rawness of drum and bass, the spacious rolling syncopations of R&B and dancehall/ragga, and the futuristic gleam of electro.
While more fashion-orientated clubbers are still obsessed with rigid, retrograde 1980s-influenced music, a tight underground network of ravers, producers and distinctively British rappers, linked by websites and pirate radio stations, is rapidly evolving the lithe, "grimy" sound of the future.
Dizzee Rascal is the highest-profile proponent of the new British urban sound, but his ex-colleague in Roll Deep Crew, producer and MC Wiley Kat looks ready to follow his success with an album due in the spring. Two female rappers, Shystie and Lady Sovereign, are also being tipped for success following their joint appearance on The Battle by Medasyn, aka Gabriel Olegovitch – a young producer who has already remixed Christina Aguilera and Lil' Kim. A less MC-centred substrain of the sound is centred around a club night called Forward in central London and – somewhat bizarrely – the suburban sprawl of Croydon. Producers such as Plasticman, Horsepower, Hatcha, Sheffield's Oris Jay and Mancunian Mark One are all knocking out endlessly varying instrumental permutations on what variously has been called "grime garage", "eight bar" or "dubstep" to a small but dedicated cadre of obsessive listeners.
Although most "grime" records have thus far been aimed at DJs only, get ready for this uncompromising, mind-bogglingly inventive UK sound to break into the mainstream in 2004.

Joe Muggs

― JoB (JoB), Saturday, 17 January 2004 16:46 (twenty years ago) link

I'm going to a reading tomorrow to find out more about those mean-looking crews in those scary tower blocks...

― JoB (JoB), Saturday, 17 January 2004 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

I'm listening to that Morgue track right now, says it's a remix. Just don't ask me to explain what it sounds like.

― mentalist (mentalist), Sunday, 18 January 2004 12:11 (twenty years ago) link

the verdict on morgue
re record shops
d'arblay st in soho is ok for blackmarket and uptown. i guess its best to head east for rhythm division and independance.
big apple in croydon 37 surrey st.

the j2k heat on the street 12" is ok. worth it for "this is me"

― ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 18 January 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago) link

!! i hadn't heard "what" before, but morgue sounds v v similar. i really like both of them.

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 18 January 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

"What must Auberon Waugh be thinking? Well with the greatest respect, who cares ...?"

― Barry Davies (robin carmody), Sunday, 18 January 2004 20:16 (twenty years ago) link

who saw the dizzie/grime article in entertainment weekly?

― juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Sunday, 18 January 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

No way is "Ground Zero" an "anthem"!! Or are the pirates really much more serious than I've been led to expect? (I don't really understand the insane "Ground Zero" love - it's good but not as good as "Ice Rink" or "Eskimo" or "Ate All The Pies" or some of the other tracks I've heard from the new album. Mind you I've not heard the vocal version Toby's talking about).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 19 January 2004 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

Just heard that Rephlex are releasing a grime compilation sometime mid-April. Mostly instrumental, more the Plasticman end of stuff than Wiley/NASTY/etc. A positive development? Most of the Plasticman stuff hasn't really grabbed me.

― Jason J, Monday, 19 January 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

its a linkl between rephlex and soulja. ie full on dubstep. so positive?er.......it´ll mean that i might persuade more people to go to forward....

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 19 January 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

do i get my cookie for predicting this a month or two ago?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 January 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago) link

Chocolate chip or cinnamon?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 January 2004 16:51 (twenty years ago) link

chocolate chip, of course

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 January 2004 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.cookiesinheaven.com/images/cookies/chocolate_chip_cookie.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 January 2004 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

haha 'yo! silence'

― prima fassy (bob), Monday, 19 January 2004 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

Did anyone ever say whether there is a Lord Of The Decks 2 or not? Are these comps vinyl-only?

― the icebox (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

Also-any chance of reprinting that ET article? Me is curious.

― the icebox (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 00:04 (twenty years ago) link

lotd was cd-only

there was supposed to be a dice recordings comp out too, thuggin ruggin was the lead single i think

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

oh nordic u are so wacky with the names

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

ta very much, zemko.

― the icebox (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

that's actually my real name

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 03:07 (twenty years ago) link

On that Femme Fatale set (which is finally working) the two tracks which I'm guessing are Dizzee's "Street Fighter" and Terra Danjah's "Creepy Crawler" are both astonishing. "Street Fighter" in particular is amazing: bombs over Hiroshima!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 04:04 (twenty years ago) link

That Kano & Sadie track is also amazing. I guess some people were talking about it upthread.

― the icebox (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

Shame Femme had to talk all over the Kano verse :(

― the icebox (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah Terra Danjah's a pretty versatile producer. I don't really understand Prima's Plasticman comparison - if anything Terra's like a gifted understudy to all the major grime producers with no particularly distinct signature sound yet.

Re: Femme - she really is quite an odd proposition. She looks like a pin-up anchor and then she goes nuts over all these grimey-the-most tunes!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 04:26 (twenty years ago) link

hello sweethearts. dunno if lotd2 came out but it's supposed to be. also at the end of febuary the Box Bloody Fresh compilation and dvd is coming out. new tracks by riko, ruff squad, nasty, east co, knightz of the round table, Gods Gift and others. dvd includes live pirate sets, videos etc etc i've heard some really good things off of it and some things which are horrible r&b pastiche things usually featuring jookie mundo singing on them. i love east co but they're desperate to sell out and go commercial.

― ', Tuesday, 20 January 2004 10:08 (twenty years ago) link

ok ok will reassess terra d. tho listening prejudices one so

omg street fighter! i remember like 2 weeks after i luv u dropped on 12 i think it was deuce or rwd that said the next 12 will be street fighter/camera flash or that the dubs were out or something like that

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 10:57 (twenty years ago) link

bizzack, ok obv i hate to pour cold water on a wet blanket but i still pretty much think the same about terra; v v talented and well produced in the sense of detailed skitters and crunches and whoops but in totality this feels like cleaner grime, and a lot of the time this detail does add up to a trackier Forward sound, for instance the trax firecracker, flammable, we are the worst. i totally hear a signature sound. i dont doubt this is progression from established grime producers and not from elsewhere, but it feels less notional than someone like target, or that he's aping the boorish strand i like least about grime... oh i dunno. i do like the newer grimette tracks a lot more tho.

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 12:05 (twenty years ago) link

actually u know what it all is, it's the attitude towards being futuristic

that's my bete

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 12:07 (twenty years ago) link

i would quite like to know what jess thinks, not least cos er i hope he might agree with me :P

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

Don't get your hopes up.

Listening to the Femme/Mack 10/Kano set again and I've really underestimated Kano in the past. Sorry, Kano.

― the icebox (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

kano is the best! I didnt like that sadie track though. Use better singers!

there were posters for lotd2 around london a while back, i dont know why its taken so long to come out.

i wonder if they´ll ship to spain when it does....

having looked round the record shops in BCN, i can conclude that a) they are crap, b) grime has not hit catalunya. Evenm the russian seem more clued up than this lot! (in response to something that nordicskillz asked me sometime)

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

To Tim and Cozen and anyone else on Macs - I got Slsk client working for Mac last night, no problems so far.

Anyway, I'm on, so if anyone's feeling generous...I ripped the N.A.S.T.Y. session off of Femme if anyone wants it.

My user name is the first part of my email address.

― the Eskibox (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

Aaah, I see Toby...

― the Eskibox (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

hmm, but it seems can't d/l from me. or am i wrong?

glad you ripped the nasty set off femme, i've been trying for the last couple of days but my computer keeps fucking it up. i've got the nasty deja set from monday up now (thanks tinman).

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago) link

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