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Also, does anyone have comments about Klaus Schulze?

Most of it is probably too ambient for what it sounds like you are looking for. If you get any of it, stick with the analog stuff, like Timewind (though, again, that's probably way too mellow/ambient). I've heard a couple of early 90s albums by him (e.g., Dresden Performance, Dome Event) and they are real snoozers...

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:19 (twenty years ago) link

Not a fan of K. Schulze, but you could probably have guessed that

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:20 (twenty years ago) link

and they are real snoozers...

Then again, I would say that about a lot of the more popular/touted Krautrock releases, too...

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:21 (twenty years ago) link

haha you don't say. I used to have shitloads of klaus schulze albums, but I've trimmed it down to one ("X") which is really good, mostly. See, if I said he was "monotonous" someone could reply that eg "hallogallo" or "mother sky" is monotonous, but klaus' monotony is a whole other ballgame. Usually, (like eg last night) my klaus s listening consists of him drumming on ash ra tempel's "join inn"

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:27 (twenty years ago) link

Schulze defines monotonous. Neu! & Can, you can tell they're focused & alert while performing repetitive loops, but Schulze seems like someone who just hits record and is lucky if he notices when the tape's run out...

Irrlicht is a solid minimal drone, I agree X has some great maximal parts, it actually sounds composed, though a friend put on Timewind during a late night long distance drive and it didn't sound that bad...

(Jon L), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:18 (twenty years ago) link

checked out the Czukay/Dr. Walker Clash that I reservedly recommended upthread. there are a few good moments at the beginning of disc 2. most of it really is unfocused and Walker's beats are beyond generic, they're an insult.

Czukay/Liebezeit/Wobble's Full Circle though -- didn't listen to this as much as the other Czukay records growing up because it wasn't as composed, but that's the strength, this is a record you can leave on all day. overt reggae/dub references, jaki playing straight dub rimshot rhythms into syncopated space echo, tons of bizarre details floating through the mix.

(Jon L), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

Fave track on Full Circle, Milton?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:35 (twenty years ago) link

title track

(Jon L), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, yes, a sucker for the Holger guitar playing. I think the songs with Wobble singing are among Wobble's best.

BTW, On the Way to the Peak of Normal is, indeed, great. I also like the Phew album quite a bit...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 28 May 2004 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

it's great. 'Fragment' is my favorite but this is the week for more listening.

I'm surprised the allmusic.com entry for Autobahn lists Conny Plank as the producer, despite the album packaging... bold

(Jon L), Friday, 28 May 2004 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

Or, it being AMG, just wrong.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 28 May 2004 18:37 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone heard this? Is it as glorious as a mess as the reviewer describes it to be?

willem (willem), Friday, 28 May 2004 20:15 (twenty years ago) link

no, the reviewer got it right, not glorious just a mess. I kind of want to hear it again now though.

(Jon L), Friday, 28 May 2004 23:29 (twenty years ago) link

I have this on vinyl. As I recall, it's not that bad, but it never jelled for me either. I remember thinking specifically that Kevorkian's "polyrhythmic electro-nonsense" was what dragged it down. But I, too, would like to hear it again...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 29 May 2004 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

I'm going to get around to Full Circle eventually, give me time. I did listen to Dan's link for How Much Are They and thought it was okay, but certainly not better than PiL and Can (what a mean feat in my opinion!).

I've actually stopped to smell the roses in my musical life, lately, and it's been good. Just got to stop chasing new things long enough to enjoy the things you already have.

Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 29 May 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago) link

Whoah, here's a discovery: while re-listening to Snake Charmer (by no means 1 or 1 1/2 stars, btw), I notice that the lyrics to "Hold On To Your Dreams" are by none other than Arthur Russell.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 30 May 2004 04:29 (twenty years ago) link

Milton, can I gets your email? I gots a question fors ya...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 7 June 2004 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Milton, what happened to all those reviews you promised of all the Roedelius albums? Ha ha. Just kidding. If yer busy, yer busy!

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I came to my senses

(Jon L), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha! Fair enough.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Michael Rother & John Frusciante - live in san francisco august 4th, 2004

see you there

(Jon L), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:32 (nineteen years ago) link

That's an inspired combination!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Or at least bizarre...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
setlist was 95% Rother solo tracks. 'Silberstreif' gets an extended 5 minute Neu! ending, one other track from Fernwarme (forget which offhand) gets an extended coda which Frusciante laid a beautiful solo over. Very happy.

they encored with 'Rawhide'.

(Jon L), Thursday, 5 August 2004 06:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow!

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 5 August 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
ok so I passed on Thomas Dinger's Für Mich when Captain Trip put it out in the 90's... I like the first two La Dusseldorf albums okay, but the third one's not too great and didn't want to take the $25 risk... but this album's super nice. more of the melodic pastoral stuff from their first two, drawn out and wandered through -- mellower drums, but the riffs share the same DNA as all those other records I love. no rock freakouts, it's just time for tea.

it's got me curious about Klaus Dinger's 'Neondian' aka La Dusseldorf 4 -- does anyone have that? Is it an improvement over the third? I haven't heard any >90's Dinger I've ever been tempted to play again.

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"Neondian" is sort of his big, slick-sounding 80's pop record. It's great! He does "Cha Cha 2000" and "Ich Liebe Dich" again.

Pangolino 2, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah Milton, I love 'Fur Mich'! It's *so* overbearingly romantic, but I can't help it .. it just hits a sweet spot.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link

how about Code III "Planet of Man" - just got this weird 1974 LP featuring klaus schulze. not much music, lots of ambience and sounds. I also like the more rhythmic work he did like the albums Trancefer and Dune and the LP Tonwelle w/ Michael Shrieve. I think his 70's output is pretty dull, except Moondawn and Body Love. I also have a dance 12" he did called Macksy which is quite good.

GALKIN (GALKIN), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 03:38 (eighteen years ago) link

milton, i was gonna tell you i have 'Fur Mich' and was gonna lend it to you, but i guess you already got it. the cross dressing pix on the inside are hillarious.

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 04:45 (eighteen years ago) link

cool -- I've only got mp3's, but I'll be picking it up, forced exposure seems to have it. 'Neondian' sounds good too, I guess my problem with the third one was the synths & production seemed too casual but if he went big for the fourth I'll check it out

looking through the forcedexposure blurbs, I'm getting the lineage a bit more worked out -- Engels der Herrn / la? Neu! etc. were the Klaus trainwrecks, but 1-A Dusseldorf was the Thomas Dinger band. I kind of had them all lumped in together. Has anyone checked out the 1-A Dusseldorf discs?

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 04:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I honestly never thought I'd be curious, but 'Fur Mich' is really hitting the spot

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i've got Fur Mich on original vinyl, but once when i was flipping it over i sorta dropped it and it's got a big ass scuff on it (luckily you can't hear it, but still sux)

also, i've got la! Neu?'s "Dusseldorf" from 96 and i wouldn't say that it's a trainwreck at all. sounds kinda like any other neu/dusseldorf record. a bit more spacious, less rocking, but just the same.

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:20 (eighteen years ago) link

there's something so tragic sounding about it. I can't put my finger on it, it's almost too intentionally pretty without being treacly or saccharine. Yeah, looking at those cross-dress pics really adds to the beauty-verging-on-creepy aspect.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:22 (eighteen years ago) link

[re: fur mich]

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:22 (eighteen years ago) link

also a fan of the two Spacebox records that John Bullabaugh mentions upthread

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:26 (eighteen years ago) link

ah man, don't make me want to start dropping bills on all those fucking la neu records, I just can't. I forget the ones I've heard, but the three I've heard were a mess

though I'll keep an eye out for 'dusseldorf'.

xpost haven't heard SPACEBOX. captain trips was really spraying the krautrock canvas with those reissues for a while.

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I recently bought the 2nd Eno & Cluster record, and it's really good except for the tracks with voxx. Some of it is very effective new age music. Also, the Cosmic Jokers records I've heard should please any Ash Ra Tempel fans.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i've got la neu's 'goldregen' and i love it
anybody care to ysi für mich? pleeeeease

nervous (cochere), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

http://rapidshare.de/files/11778501/La__Neu_.zip.html

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 07:22 (eighteen years ago) link

just listened to Snake Charmer. uh... well, it was only a dollar.

anyone heard the Conny Plank, Moebius & Mayo Thompson record from 83 (reissued on drag city)? weirdo stiff keyboard funk and mayo talking random crap on top. an insteresting listen, but not one of my faves.

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 26 January 2006 06:55 (eighteen years ago) link

spacebox are worth checking out if you wanted exmagma to be way more fucked up.

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Thursday, 26 January 2006 08:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Exmagma was plenty fucked up. fuckin' love those guys.

thoughts on Plank-related projects like Creative Rock and Lava? i've picked these up in the past few months back but haven't spent much time with either. also To Be and the first few Eulenspygel albums. worth bothering?

Ghost Bear Junior High Attendance Party (echoinggrove), Thursday, 26 January 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Eulenspygel is actually good! I only have the second record but yes, recommended! I tried to order that Lava cd from FE but they were out.

yeah I don't really dig the Plank/Moebius/Mayo record that much either.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i hyperbolized. spacebox is like the songier exmagma shit but more generally fucked up.

is lava the tears are going home thing? cause that wasn't too hot.

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

looks like Conny's only connection to that Creative Rock CD was as producer. though sometimes that can be enough; he worked wonders with the durrrrrrrr rockjamz of the first Kin Ping Meh.

yeah, teh Lava iz Tears. i'll plan on being underwhelmed. though i had the same (low) expectations of La Pentola di Papin, based on the skimpy and dismissive verbage i've encountered, and was kinda blown away by what turned out to be some punchy, super-melodic Canterbury worship, Italo style.

i did check out that first Eulenspygel, 2. pretty sweet psychfusion, a la Embryo or Kraan. way less ropey than a lot of Stapleton's other List picks. as with Floh de Cologne, i feel like there's some satirical and political content getting lost in the translation. i totally want a t-shirt with that cover shot, so i can wear it to PETA rallies. haven't listened to Ausschuss yet. no one has much nice to say about it.

Ghost Bear Junior High Attendance Party (echoinggrove), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks for that la neu ysi, jaxon. you're right, it's not a trainwreck, but definitely less rocking, way too much water in the scotch

that thomas dinger record has got me seriously tempted to start checking out those 1-A dusseldorf records, though.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.faust-pages.com/images/covers/spaceexplosion.jpg

Anyone heard this?

Deluxe (Damian), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:06 (eighteen years ago) link

it's okay, it's a live improv... I think I've listened to it twice in two years. it's pretty out, but didn't take me with it.

my friend Martin rates it extremely highly, though. maybe I'll check it out again tonight.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link

(correction - twice in _ten_ years)

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link


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