― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link
i find it somewhat strange that "punk" as a fashion mode has been so persistent--go to the belmont/clark area of chicago and you will see them in droves.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― X-PAT (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― X-PAT (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― X-PAT (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link
(im very biased. i didn't get along with the punks in my high school, no matter how much i loved the stooges )
― JD from CDepot, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link
It is bizarre, though, seeing kids were weren't even born in `82 wearing Exploited t-shirts (and even the Exploited were third or fourth wavers themselves).
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link
yawn
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link
By 1977, it was already a uniform.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link
By 1977, it was already a uniform
True, which only underscores how staid said uniform is today.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link
so what? why can't they like the Exploited?
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link
Did I say that they couldn't like the Exploited? I'm more just astounded that anyone listens to the Exploited anymore.
There are still plenty of punks but there isn't any punk any more.
Stew does have a miraculous way with words, and were I wearing a hat right now, I would take it off to him.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― h78, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm astounded anyone did in the first place!
― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Never mind the hat, just slip out of those bondage trousers and come here, big boy.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link
So... yeah.
Oh, you mean the William Burroughs definition of "punk"? I'm sure they still exist too.
― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link
My favourite 'though was an extremely small T-shirt that said "Daddy, what's a Sex Pistol?".
It was almost enough to make me want to procreate, simply in order to dress some future little Stewart Jnr. in tiny little bondage trousers and DM's....
That was ALMOST.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link
Aja?
― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link
In some ways I want to be able to say say "Yeah, they're enjoying themselves and not really upsetting anyone - it's a bit of shame they can't think of something new and have to call what they're doing "punk" when it only bears the most superficial resemblance to punk, but what the fuck?".
At the same time 'though there's a bit of me that wants to jump up and down and start frothing at the mouth and screaming "what the fuck has this got to do with punk? Don't these little twats realise that trying to conform to some diluted and redundant image of something that's been dead for 25 years and has completely lost it's ability to shock anyone, instead of coming up with something of their own, is the absolute antithesisof punk?"
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link
The public image belongs to me.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.luckygoon.com/Graphics/Misc/ECLive78.JPG
― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link
Fine - but if so then why call themselves punks?
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link
Lots of the kids I see dress different than the original punk "uniform"....it's more hoodies with patches and stuff and black baseball hats that they put spikes and studs on...it's a little more "homeless hip hop" or something....more tribally tattoos (lots of face tattoos)...It's not like they dress like Steve Jones or something.....even musically, the crust scene and stuff like that has as much to do with Slayer as it does Sex Pistols or the Clash (probably a lot more Slayer actually).
Because they CAN, and it's THEIR punk, not yours.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost - Why? Punk works perfectly, a fairly generic reference to a youth-centered subculture with ties back to late-70s (mostly British) punk rock.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link
ILX in being blind to American Hardcore scene shocka!!
― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link
Two lines into the worst fucking song ever? For the smallest group of the biggest dipshits on the planet? Great.
― Dyed Black Hair Studded Leather Cheap Silver Jewelry, Monday, 19 December 2005 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Monday, 19 December 2005 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link
and relentless OTMFM by same.
There are vast legions of crusty punk kids in continental Europe. As much as I despise them (the dirt and aimlessness, but especially the begging with dogs thing which I find totally unpunk) I suppose it's still better than if ""we"" lost them to the banking industry/insurance business/insert globally nefarious job here.Oh and
Also -- they throw good parties.-- A|ex P@reeneFuck no they don't. You're disgusting. Maybe the rich US trendy-style punks do but I seriously doubt it.
This is so not about the UK, the US, or even music anymore AND IT SURE ISN'T ABOUT CLOTHES. Once a punk always an anarchist, it's one of those things.
And to be 100% perfect, this post should read :sexpistols r the fucn creatrs of punk in mi eyes nd there aint no cunt what will tell me different-- yazmin
― blunt (blunt), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link
I AM ALIVE
― blunt (blunt), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link
haha yep! hard times....palmer's bar...triple rock.....also. they have a wierd fascination with really tall bicycles.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link
blunt -- please note that European crust-punks /= American crust-punks. The ones I'm talking about often have jobs and run co-ops and fix bicycles and shit -- they don't beg. They do put those stupid fucking bandanas on their dogs, though.
― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link
Go to the May Day Parade, though! They show off their most dangerous/crazy bikes every year.
― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link
SO LETS CHANGE THIS
wahts' the deal with these dudes? i feel like they came on my radar circa the 1999 WTO riots in seattle -- a glimpse into this network of black clad anarchists living off the grid out of protest but still seemingly attempting to engage in a dialog with a society that they viewed participating in as some sort of sin. on the one hand their relentless co-oping and dedication to community seems admirable; on the other, it sometimes seems merely self serving, a way to coast thru life on the shoulders of your fellow crusties. what does 'punk', broadly conceived, have to do with this? can punk's stripping away of classic-rock excess be seen as analogous to crustie attempts to live 'off the grid,' free of the immoral detritus of modernity? and does (first wave)punk's implosion and what we have identified as crustie 'aimlessness' speak to a flaw in the sort of puritanism, a confusion of means with ends? conversely, does the ineffable spirit of DIY in early punk, present in music that might sound nothing like it, speak to the potentials of such a lifestyle or ethos as a springboard towards meaningful dialog with and change of society?
― CHINA SLIM, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link
In order to yer questions:
1. We are many, and not all dudes.2. That was a long sentence, but "punk" relates to the scene in that many folks listen to and identify with "peace punk" music, Crass etc. (see DIRT tour above). Also the folks at Profane Existance have made a dedicated, if at times drunken and horrifying, effort to infuse more modern punk with some of the Crass influence (to oversimplify in a most horrifying way).3. Yes, but not all of those folks life "off the grid", many are urban scavengers.4. Yes. Except for the vegans who have to eat processed food.4. Key question. The balance between givers and takers is what anarchism seeks, in part, to address and perhaps redress. I refer you to the "Carnival Of Chaos" book, although it's out of print. Well, anyway, freeloading is indeed an issue. I have had houseguests who were parasites and others who were awesome. You just have to draw boundaries and be clear.5. Yes yes yes oh yes it does.
― sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 05:59 (eighteen years ago) link
I work next to a site where generations of "urban scavengers" have demonstrated their utter lack of respect for just about anything including themselves. Their dogs are cleaner than them. They scatter shit lightly all over the plaza, whereas their owners shit in bags which they throw into a pile on the opposite side of said plaza from where they live. Or attempt to rot faster than most. Or whatever it is they do.
Since most of them clearly could go back to mommy & daddy tomorrow, am I to understand that the latest anarchist-revolutionary technique is to borrow parts of the punk ethos and attire, and and set ourselves apart from society, forming little groups ? How is this relevant in more than a superficial, visually shocking sense and is that enough of a contribution to be considered more than plain disgusting lazy-ass freeloading ?
Do they inspire you to change the world for the better ? Are they providing an interesting model for proactive people who could choose to get involved in a socially constructive activity instead of working for MegaCorp A or B ?
― blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 10:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 10:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link
But have you ever read Slug And Lettuce? This is a serious question, as per the original poster...
― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― blunt (blunt), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link
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― 15 sad years, Friday, 17 February 2006 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 17 February 2006 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― 16 sadder years, Friday, 17 February 2006 04:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― 15 sad years, Friday, 17 February 2006 04:45 (eighteen years ago) link
nope, no punks
― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 17 July 2011 08:02 (thirteen years ago) link
"All it is is just another uniform now,....which, ultimately & ironically, was the very thing it arguably railed against."
yeah, I know the story. Same thing happened with mod. Weird that that is a retro look when originally its ethos was so anti retro, always trying to be a step ahead. The ethos of mod presumably switched into a different later youthcult that wouldn't label itself with a hasbeen timewarped label?
With punk though I thought it was about self expression but that does seem to have become ossified by '77 or possibly a little later when it fed and then fed off the Mad Max look.I always think the idea of a 'Spirit of '77' movement capturing the height of punk is at least a year if not 2 late. Maybe that's the point the media and record labels got hold of it? I assume that most record label versions of 'the punk sound' were distortions/diffractions of band intentions, no matter how classic the lps concerned are viewed now.
I think a generic punk is as sad as a generic hippy would have seemed in '76 or whenever. But then I think a generic anything is not as good as an individualised one.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 17 July 2011 10:45 (thirteen years ago) link
yer there still r punks..nd if u say ur a punk be 1 be a anarchist ns listn 2 the music
― sexpistol, Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:25 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark
underrated post
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 17 July 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i am a punk
― sade lo (flopson), Sunday, 17 July 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i am eating ravioli & listening to black flag
― sade lo (flopson), Sunday, 17 July 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
still here, still punk
― Soukesian, Sunday, 17 July 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I picked up a new issue of Profane Existence the other day, and while the music reviews were depressing (derivative, uninteresting, everything compared to other older bands) I was pleased to see a number of good, thoughtful columns by their writers. Some nice pieces on growing older and disaster preparedness. And hey, it's free now!
― sleeve, Monday, 18 July 2011 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2011/07/princewilliam.jpg
― mizzell, Monday, 18 July 2011 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
ska is dead t shirt! that was one of the first shows i ever went to
― sade lo (flopson), Monday, 18 July 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
ha sleeve I just picked up a PE last week for the first time in forever
― bear, bear, bear, Monday, 18 July 2011 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
overheard at the all-day punk fest/benefit at the skatepark on Saturday:
"If this was 2002, they would be pepper-spraying all of us. Does this mean we won? Is it OK to be punk now?"
― go polish your nose ring (sleeve), Tuesday, 10 September 2024 00:40 (two weeks ago) link