― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― pwner of a lonely heart (pr00de), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― ugly and mean, Monday, 27 June 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link
(you can substitute Beastie Boys for Cypress Hill in this scenario)
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link
Besides that, even, most of the tracks Em raps over are really rigid and structured and usually follow a distinct verse/chorus/verse/chorus pattern. Easier to follow for people who are accustomed to listening to rock records all day.
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link
How does having a verse/chorus/verse pattern make Eminem different from say...every other rap artist in extistence?
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link
http://citypaper.net/articles/071201/mus.ahmir.shtml
"She brings in Rick [Rubin], who you have to remember is the guy who invented the pop rap song. Verse, chorus, verse. Before him, hip-hop tunes were 16 minutes long..."
(there was another article on him written back in 89 that also shed light on this, but I cou;dn't find it today in a pinch)
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
*true with Eminem too of course, and yes i'd be suspicious about anyone who claimed to love Eminem but be dismissing 'black rap' at the same time
basically, KILL THE FOOL
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
Good sleuthin, man!
― Rob Uptight (Rob Uptight), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
wtf
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link
as does run-dmc ... and public enemy ... and dmx ... and jay-z ... and outkast ...
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link
And Conor Oberst?
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― tolstoy (tolstoy), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link
haha cuz ya know indie/white hip hop has sooo many different themes!
1) We're not "commercial bling bling" rappers2) We have feelings3) Bush sucks4) The Twin really need to increase their run production if they have any hope of catching the White Sox in the division5) It sucks that Firefly got cancelled6) Have you tried that new Coca-Cola Zero? It tastes almost the same!
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link
He'll love Akon then.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link
Man, have you heard the narrative in most Rock/Pop? This is not philosophy.
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 June 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lukas (lukas), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link
wtf.
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stoner Guy, Monday, 27 June 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― That One Guy (That One Guy), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link
1997, median household income of the second-lowest quintile was around $22k. I'm guessing Em's mom didn't clear that. So yeah, most Americans came from slightly plusher circumstances than Eminem.
― Lukas (lukas), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lukas (lukas), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 15 May 2006 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 15 May 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link
Can't both be true?
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 15 May 2006 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link
but Merritt was responding to something someone just played for him out of the blue during the course of an interview - it's not like he was writing a piece on it. I think he should have listened to the whole song or several by the same artist, but he was just responding the same way you or I would when someone says, "hey check this out, what's your take ?" He was in this instance overreacting, surely, but from one snap judgment, and an avowed dislike of contemp hip-hop in general, to charges of racism and visceral rejection of "blackness" or whatever is going too far.
― timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 15 May 2006 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 15 May 2006 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.zoilus.com/documents/in_depth/2006/000761.php
― carl w (carl w), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― punis (punis), Monday, 15 May 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link
Discus.
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.theroot.com/blogs/dig/joaquin-phoenix-rap-career-rumored-be-bull
Here's my question: why do people continue to use black culture as a place to play and get their kicks? There are some serious hip hop artists out there [Lupe Fiasco, etc], plunging deep into their souls and culture, posing questions about our times, and helping reshape the consciousness of a generation. Even the so-called "bling-rappers" are attempting to articulate the reality or pursuit of a consumer-rich life. But some whites [and others] think it's cool-beans to mock the art form by placing themselves in it and showing the world how horribly they understand or absorb it. Who cares! Why is there a platform for this? Why do some whites continue to think mocking blackness is a way to make a buck or get attention? I know this is a bit extreme, maybe, but it's a form of blackface. Yeh, I said it. Blackface. If the rumor is true [and I'm sure it is] I'm disappointed in Joaquin. Here's some advice for Joaquin and others like him: Play somewhere else! Blackface is passe!
― and what, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link
[Lupe Fiasco, etc] solid username material
― bnw, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Has there been a thread on this subject yet?
― bnw, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:12 (fifteen years ago) link
i thought the beat on that one joaquin joint was aight
― crackers is biters (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 30 January 2009 16:27 (fifteen years ago) link
some white people might be saying that. or they might just be more receptive something that is more in tune with white culture. ie. eminem as opposed to say, redman or whoever.
― uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link
― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene),
― better than 10 superbowls! (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link
If I identify with Redman moreso than Eminem, does that mean I am black?
― The Reverend, Saturday, 31 January 2009 03:56 (fifteen years ago) link
"plunging deep into their souls and culture"
― nicky lo-fi, Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:22 (fifteen years ago) link
back before I registered here I would read threads like this all the way through and wonder what I would say if given the opportunity.
― james k polk, Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:43 (fifteen years ago) link
"If I identify with Redman moreso than Eminem, does that mean I am black?"
im not sure im too concerned. either way, you cant overlook the fact that eminems 'white' take on rap is what got him over to so many people who probably wouldnt like redman.
― p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 1 February 2009 11:16 (fifteen years ago) link
now is your chance, james k polk
― dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Sunday, 1 February 2009 11:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I have never met one of these people, have you?
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 1 February 2009 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Does Redman still live in that duplex with his cousins crashing on the first floor and the money jar to buy groceries with?
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 1 February 2009 18:18 (fifteen years ago) link
There's much more to Beck and TV On The Radio musically than just hip-hop (I mean, hip-hop is just one out of several influences), but white people who dislike rap and are heavily into Eminem and Beastie Boys you may wonder about.
― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 1 February 2009 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
http://i43.tinypic.com/29pbyuo.jpg
― TACO BIZZLE (The Reverend), Sunday, 1 February 2009 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link
http://mikedoesthings.com/?attachment_id=45
― nakhchivan, Monday, 1 August 2011 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
irish
potato originated in Peru fyi
fuckin white people...
― I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 September 2011 22:55 (Yesterday)
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Thursday, 15 September 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
White people even say, "Pete Rock is bitchin"
Like Tito, white kids think I'm neato
(J Ro on "Pass Out")
any more of these?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
his forte causes caucasians to say
― symsymsym, Saturday, 17 September 2011 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
it comes down to how much people associate a group's image with whether they like them or not
i don't wanna say i'm "above image", but i can succesfully ignore a lot of what a band/group/whatever "stands for" and appreciate them on a musical level. dudes who only listen to beastie boys still prolly can't shake this.
― Hullo, I'm Jon Moss (kelpolaris), Sunday, 18 September 2011 05:15 (twelve years ago) link
my guess is beastie boys-only fans prefer the music from their more boorish days, so problematic image doesn't seem a likely culprit.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 18 September 2011 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
"to white boys I'm rad"
--Pismo, "Artform"
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 October 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think there's anything wrong with liking the Beasties but not really being a hip-hop fan - the Beasties aren't really like anyone else out there
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rafaua3D__w/Td8Uzr3XPSI/AAAAAAAAEYg/0lcWqQvG4F0/s1600/thinking+frog.jpg
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 7 October 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link