are there still punks?

We done here?

Not if they're swaddling themsevles in the iconography of the Punk Rock that happened two decades before their birth it isn't.

Fair enough, but lots of that stuff itself was ripped off of WWII imagery from the British military. I'm talking more about specific band names. I.E. you didn't see the Vibrators walking around with Small Faces t-shirts on.

This could be its own thread. I think they were given a helluva hard time and were rather quick to distance themselves from it all....but that same thing could be said about droves of bands.

-- sleeve

HUGE ROUND OF APPLAUSE

You are now two lines into writing your first street punk anthem, but you don't really get it, do you?

Also -- they throw good parties.

Two lines into the worst fucking song ever? For the smallest group of the biggest dipshits on the planet? Great.

and relentless OTMFM by same.

There are vast legions of crusty punk kids in continental Europe.
As much as I despise them (the dirt and aimlessness, but especially the begging with dogs thing which I find totally unpunk) I suppose it's still better than if ""we"" lost them to the banking industry/insurance business/insert globally nefarious job here.
Oh and

Also -- they throw good parties.
-- A|ex P@reene
Fuck no they don't. You're disgusting. Maybe the rich US trendy-style punks do but I seriously doubt it.

This is so not about the UK, the US, or even music anymore AND IT SURE ISN'T ABOUT CLOTHES. Once a punk always an anarchist, it's one of those things.

And to be 100% perfect, this post should read :
sexpistols r the fucn creatrs of punk in mi eyes nd there aint no cunt what will tell me different
-- yazmin

I AM ALIVE

haha yep! hard times....palmer's bar...triple rock.....also. they have a wierd fascination with really tall bicycles.

blunt -- please note that European crust-punks /= American crust-punks. The ones I'm talking about often have jobs and run co-ops and fix bicycles and shit -- they don't beg. They do put those stupid fucking bandanas on their dogs, though.

Go to the May Day Parade, though! They show off their most dangerous/crazy bikes every year.

SO LETS CHANGE THIS

wahts' the deal with these dudes? i feel like they came on my radar circa the 1999 WTO riots in seattle -- a glimpse into this network of black clad anarchists living off the grid out of protest but still seemingly attempting to engage in a dialog with a society that they viewed participating in as some sort of sin. on the one hand their relentless co-oping and dedication to community seems admirable; on the other, it sometimes seems merely self serving, a way to coast thru life on the shoulders of your fellow crusties. what does 'punk', broadly conceived, have to do with this? can punk's stripping away of classic-rock excess be seen as analogous to crustie attempts to live 'off the grid,' free of the immoral detritus of modernity? and does (first wave)punk's implosion and what we have identified as crustie 'aimlessness' speak to a flaw in the sort of puritanism, a confusion of means with ends? conversely, does the ineffable spirit of DIY in early punk, present in music that might sound nothing like it, speak to the potentials of such a lifestyle or ethos as a springboard towards meaningful dialog with and change of society?