― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link
I don't know that I'd call it "every man for himself" paranoia, though. If the final song represents two endings, I still consider the first to represent the kick in the head that he needed the entire album to realize what a fuck up he's been, both to his girlfriend (see track 5 for the explanation of their typical, comfortable and boring relationship) and to his friends re the money.Considering everything that happens through the course of the album, it strikes me as more someone who knows they should have just buckled down and looked for the money, instead of immediately barking at their friends to figure out who is at fault. And I'm not sure that it's all every man for himself, cause the point with Scott and Dan is that Scott is just in the middle, and why should he sacrifice his friendship with Dan for Mike's sake. But the Mike in the album is a dick to everyone, not thinking about their motives, just feeling loads of self pity. I'd say the second ending to Empty Cans is when he appears less paranoid, with a better perspective on the way things played out, and realizing he could have handled things far better than he did.
Having said all of this, I absolutely LOVE the album and the story.
― Jonathan (Jonathan), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:20 (twenty years ago) link
I do think it's great / exceptional / marvellous etcetera in it's own right though.
I think the beat and the two different piano tracks make "Empty Cans" for me, and stop me having the same reservations about it as N does; the first part being foreboding and unavoidability, the second being a slowly unfurling sense of hope.
I think that maybe three or four tracks are, out of the context of the storyline, poor, or even very poor - "It Was Supposed To Be So Easy", "What Is He Thinking", "Such A Twat".
I think there are potentially quite a few singles though - "Not Addicted", "Dry Your Eyes", "Could Well Be In", "Wouldn't Have It Any Other Way". I think "Blinded By The Lights" is amazing, but not a single, likewise "Empty Cans".
I think his lyrics are good in the way that Mike Leigh scripts are good, which is a very different kind of good to the lyrics on OPM - fwiw I think i prefer the OPM take all in all, but there are certain bits of AGDCFF that are just astounding.
I think the more stripped production works very well in the context of what the album is, but I'm gutted that there's nothing really lush or banging or full. I listened to "Fit..." back to back with "Don't Mug Yourself" and "Fit..." sounded really weedy by comparison, likewise "Blinded By The Lights" and "Weak Become Heroes".
I hope this isn't the start of a narrative-album bandwagon.
I really want to hear what he's going to do next, and am slightly pissed that it's probably going to be two years until I do; the novelty of this almost makes it seem like a side-project. I hope he turns his gaze outwards slightly next, and also hits the dancefloor again.
I was waiting for someone (Caroline Sullivan is a perfect culprit) to decry Skinner for either being a class-tourist or else a misogynist. (I also think she's wrong re; it being the sound of vinyl spun backwards in "Empty Cans"; it sounds like a reel-to-reel tape to me, and the assertion that it must be vinyl posits it as a very masculine sound, all the connotations of audiophilia, collectorism, that anal 'record collector boy'/'comic store man' impotent, emotionally immature masculinity being a very cynical stick to shake at him - "silly little boys prefer records to women" etcetera etcetera).
I'm not sure it'll be a shoe-in for the Mercury - they can't have three ostensibly garage acts winning in a row, surely? Maybe Ivor Novello, given the narrative arc!
I don't live the lifestyle Skinner portrays at all, but there have been times when I almost have, and I've known plenty of other people who do.
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link
haha *cough*.
ok, it's not strictly true that I have 'no experience of the lifestyle Skinner depicts', I suppose.
― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:41 (twenty years ago) link
I'm finding that if you get bored with re-hearing the story, it's quite easy to zone out of the threaded episodic lyrics and enjoy the music.
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:47 (twenty years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link
Sir, you're not alone (again).
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link
Reviewer: col from Cumbria, UK This is absolutely shocking. First off I need to say I haven't heard the first Streets album, so this review is aimed at those similarly unfamiliar with this band/person/travesty.Put simply - this is some of the most annoying music I have ever heard in my life. After a great write-up in Q magazine I was intrigued enough to give it a listen. OMG - It's like Ali G trying to get in touch with his sensitive side. Everything from the inane lyrics delivered in a 'Staines massive' accent to the teeth grindingly repetitive drum-beats made me want to break things.Maybe I just don't 'get' this type of music, and I'm certain this album wasn't aimed at people with my particular tastes. Nevertheless, if this is urban music I'm pleased I live in the country.
This is absolutely shocking. First off I need to say I haven't heard the first Streets album, so this review is aimed at those similarly unfamiliar with this band/person/travesty.Put simply - this is some of the most annoying music I have ever heard in my life. After a great write-up in Q magazine I was intrigued enough to give it a listen. OMG - It's like Ali G trying to get in touch with his sensitive side. Everything from the inane lyrics delivered in a 'Staines massive' accent to the teeth grindingly repetitive drum-beats made me want to break things.Maybe I just don't 'get' this type of music, and I'm certain this album wasn't aimed at people with my particular tastes. Nevertheless, if this is urban music I'm pleased I live in the country.
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link
Well, at least we've got Kid Rock.
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:26 (twenty years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:50 (twenty years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link
I think most of the songs have a few lines which I love, and a few which make me cringe.
― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:53 (twenty years ago) link
"Blinded by the Lights" and "Dry Your Eyes" are possibly my favourites, along with the current single, but that's hardly the point with such an interlinked piece.
― Tom May (Tom May), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 20:17 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 20:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago) link
I should probably listen a little more, maybe.
― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 21:26 (twenty years ago) link
Yes, Andrew, it is beautifully uncharaceristic singing, presumably from Skinner himself (?). Not far from Wyatt, perhaps; similarly plaintive and higher-register.
And Nick, exactly. :) Literature can have all sorts of uses, and even novels too. I don't see why, in the right hands, that application of literary modes into the sequence of an album would not work. Kate Bush's "Hounds of Love" is another that comes to mind with at least its second side forming at least oblique narrative.
― Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 01:45 (twenty years ago) link
It is very, very good. I enjoy it a lot. Overall, it is a remarkable album. On a song-by-song basis, it doesn't stack up w/ OPM but its not meant to; its sort of like Skinner making this album OK for rockists, as someone else said, and that's not a bad thing.
My only criticisms...urm there are too many plot-forwarding tracks that are worth v. little musically. The cell-phone conversation song is so boring and unneccessary, like the musical equivelent of "...the story so far!" blah. And I still maintain that the last track is a tad too saccharine. But yeah, really good album...8/10.
By the way, what I really like about it is that he GETS hip-hop narrative (which is probably where the hip-hop influence comes in) in that he speaks about stuff as he would talk to a friend, converstaionally, rather than in the all-knowing narrator that other music utilizes.
bling bling!!!!1!!
― djdee2005, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 04:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 08:48 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 08:50 (twenty years ago) link
I totally hear the grime influence, on the more jittery, less melodic tracks - Not Addicted, Such A Twat, Get Out Of My House in particular.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 08:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 08:58 (twenty years ago) link
I'm sorry, but he does.
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 09:02 (twenty years ago) link
Precis:DH: Well this Streets chappie's new album dares to tell a story. It's the only rock opera which starts in Blockbuster and hinges around a cashpoint.Plays: "So I failed on the DVD/Couldn't withdraw any money"Quick fadeoutDH: That's all I can take of his delivery (cue interminable monologue about the dark side of tommy)
Remember, kids, this is what we're all up against.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 09:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 09:17 (twenty years ago) link
― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:41 (twenty years ago) link
He needs all that money to fund the gambling habit he doesn't have, I'd assumed.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:47 (twenty years ago) link