link pls?
― omaha deserved 311 (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link
my pal jeanne responds:
http://decibelmagazine.com/Content.aspx?ncid=345944
― scott seward, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, the Deciblog is how I first saw the piece.
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:34 (fourteen years ago) link
It's like, dude, bash on the Pelican because you've kinda got a few good points about that particular album, but, uh, just shut up after that.
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:35 (fourteen years ago) link
wow what a horrible piece (the vv, not your pal jeanne)
― omaha deserved 311 (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:37 (fourteen years ago) link
The same goes doubly for Florida's Torche, which often sounds like Looney Tunes composer Carl Stallings tearing through Helmet's late oeuvre in double-time.
this is a not inaccurate rendering of why torche is awesome you fucking clown
― omaha deserved 311 (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:38 (fourteen years ago) link
god dammit. i mean at least you could say baroness, mastodon, and torche are linked by geography but whatever you think of pelican they have nothing at all to do with those other bands.
grouping is the most intellectually dishonest form of criticism.
― omaha deserved 311 (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:39 (fourteen years ago) link
"Boy this Pelican album is bad. And you know what other metal bands I hate?"
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 04:43 (fourteen years ago) link
LOL voegtlin. he's always fucking terrible.
― her appendix were out (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 05:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I kinda like the idea of 'sketchy' metal. In this interview Weakling's Josh Gossard also talks about how he would like metal to be *more* sketchy. If Dead as Dreams is 'sketchy metal' then I'm all for it.
― Chuffed Wiff Morrisound (Thijs), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 10:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Man, the new Mudvayne album is bad. I used to kind of like them - I thought their second album showed real promise - but this is terrible, a watered-down combination of the worst aspects of Tool and Linkin Park. Guh.
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link
good comment from the deciblog post:
Posted 12/1/2009 8:08 PM by ghettohed
Ive read alot of trash like that Village Voice article. People spend way to much time naming things cool or uncool, hip or unhip, etc. Not to sound like the stoned kid in the back, but cant we just enjoy the music?
― original bgm, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link
i can understand his frustration at bands that probably don't really qualify as metal taking album of the year honors from groups like Blut Aus Nord, Enslaved, and Behemoth*, who have all put out amazing albums over the past few years, but the article is poorly written. i wouldn't mind reading a well-written hate-fest of Pelican or Baroness based on their music instead of where they fit in in the world of metal and who listens to them. that's just kind of juvenile to me.
*okay maybe i am projecting a little
― Buck Utah (rockapads), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link
i know i might be inviting a shitstorm with the "qualify as metal" thing, but c'mon... these guys are either punk-tinged hard rock (Torche), prog rock (Mastodon, Baroness), or post-rock (Pelican), with massive amounts of distortion and/or hollerin'.
― Buck Utah (rockapads), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost I hear ya but I also don't think it's all that surprising that crossover acts get a disproportionate amount of attention from media that doesn't exclusively cover metal.
― original bgm, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link
"I never cared who was in the crowd as long as they weren’t out to beat my ass."
This was the line that Jeanne wrote that resonated with me. It's an important stipulation because we all know the "bridge and tunnel" knuckledraggers can in fact ruin a good show if they don't behave.
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
whatever next:
KEEP OF KALESSIN Competing To Represent Norway In EUROVISION SONG CONTEST http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=131312
― djmartian, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link
whatever next...this
10,000 metal releases came out this yearhttp://invisibleoranges.com/2009/12/10000-metal-releases-came-out-this-year.html
― djmartian, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link
decibel 100 best of the decade special issue is pretty cool! and no martian i will not transcribe it for you. it's probably online somewhere by now anyway.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2009 02:11 (fourteen years ago) link
no sign of a blogger publishing the list yet, however i would expect the list to turn up on rateyourmusic.com soon
http://rateyourmusic.com/lists/recent
― djmartian, Thursday, 3 December 2009 13:25 (fourteen years ago) link
The Metal Minute: The Metal Minute's 25 Immaculate Receptions (and Honor Roll) for 2009http://rayvanhornjr.blogspot.com/2009/12/metal-minutes-25-immaculate-receptions.html
1. Mastodon – Crack the Skye2. Isis – Wavering Radiant3. Between the Buried and Me – The Great Misdirect4. Kylesa – Static Tensions5. Candlemass – Death Magic Doom6. Chthonic – Mirror of Retribution7. Megadeth – Endgame8. Sepultura – A-Lex9. Zombi – Spirit Animal10. Voivod – Infini11. Slough Feg – Ape Uprising!12. Pelican – What We All Come to Need13. Slayer – World Painted Blood14. Brown Jenkins – Death Obsessed15. Skyfire – Esoteric16. Sunn O))) – Monoliths and Dimensions17. The Black Dahlia Murder – Deflorate18. Hacride – Lazarus19. Shadows Fall – Retribution20. Tyr – By the Light of the Northern Star21. Mantic Ritual - The Executioner22. My Dying Bride - For Lies I Sire23. Heaven and Hell - The Devil You Know24. Wolves in the Throne Room - Black Cascade25. Ahab - The Divinity of Oceans
Honor Roll of 2009:
Lamb of God - WrathArise - The ReckoningVader - NecropolisBehemoth - EvangelionAncestors - Of Sound MindLeeches of Lore - s/tNocturnal Fear - Metal of HonorLeaves' Eyes - NjordStatic-X - Cult of StaticGod Dethroned - PassiondaleJob for a Cowboy - RuinationLiving Colour - The Chair in the DoorwayAce Frehley - AnomalyWarbringer - Waking Into NightmaresMudvayne - s/tNovembers Doom - Into Night's Requiem EternalBone Gnawer - Feast of FleshAssjack - s/tLuna Mortis - The AbsenceCannibal Corpse - Evisceration PlagueNile - Those Whom the Gods DetestShrinebuilder - s/tWino - Punctuated EquilibriumLillian Axe - Sad Day On Planet EarthW.A.S.P. - BabylonKillswitch Engage - s/tUFO - The VisitorPowerman 5000 - Somewhere On the Other Side of NowhereNihilitia - Nihilist MilitiaThe 11th Hour - Burden of GriefThe Amenta - NonPsyopus - Odd SensesGollum - The CoreConspiracy - Concordat
― djmartian, Friday, 4 December 2009 11:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Decibel's decade list has finally been blurted:
http://www.terrorizer.com/main-forum/music/decibel-mags-greatest-100-albums-decade
It's definitely eclectic, which is a really good thing. Lots of stuff to argue and discuss about (right off the bat, I don't agree with numbers 1 and 2!). Can't wait to read the real thing...whenever that'll be.
― A. Begrand, Friday, 4 December 2009 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link
So it's not on the stands yet?
― Bring me Sanka or Tetley (Jon Lewis), Friday, 4 December 2009 23:13 (fourteen years ago) link
lol @ no 100
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 4 December 2009 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link
The complete absence of Slipknot on that list pleases me.
― A. Begrand, Friday, 4 December 2009 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link
that list is hilarious. Decibel is trolling imo.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 4 December 2009 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm ok with that list. A bit surprised to not see YOB or Sunn 0))) on there... Great that Asunder, Warhorse and Ewiz got the doom nods though.
― Nate Carson, Saturday, 5 December 2009 03:55 (fourteen years ago) link
on quick review it seems to be mostly lacking in doom
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 5 December 2009 03:57 (fourteen years ago) link
What's new? It's always been the ugly duckling genre of metal. And we like it that way, right?
― Nate Carson, Saturday, 5 December 2009 04:15 (fourteen years ago) link
true i guess i hoped decibel of all ppl would include at least as much doom as metalcore but hey what can you do
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 5 December 2009 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link
The fact that the specific complaint of the first person complaining there is that the top 100 doesn't feature Bad Religion, Ignite or Propagandhi really says it all about the tsunami of list-obsessed retardation that this part of the decade is creating
― I AGREE WITH THE COSMETIC SURGERY (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 5 December 2009 08:53 (fourteen years ago) link
i think i posted this on another thread, but this was my ballot for the decibel decade list:
Top 40 Of The Decade
1 – Agalloch – Ashes Against The Grain 2 – Celtic Frost – Monotheist 3 – Katatonia – Last Fair Deal Gone Down4 – Primordial – The Gathering Wilderness5 – Converge – Jane Doe6 – Deathspell Omega – Kenose7 – Orphaned Land – Mabool8 – Neurosis – A Sun That Never Sets9 – Intaglio – S/T 10 – Eyehategod – Confederacy Of Ruined Lives11 – Grave In The Sky – Cutlery Hits China: English For The Hearing Impaired12 – Amok – Necrospiritual Deathcore13 – Vog – S/T14 – Necrodemon – Ice Fields Of Hyperion 15 – Harvey Milk – Special Wishes16 – Celestiial – Desolate North17 – Blood Of The Black Owl – S/T18 – Heinous Killings – Hung With Barbwire19 – Magane – Beginning At The End20 – Metsatoll – Terast Mis Hangund Me Hinge 1021821 – Ahab – The Call Of The Wretched Sea22 – Indesinence – Noctambulism23 – Minsk – Out Of A Center Which Is Neither Dead Nor Alive24 - Negative Reaction – Under The Ancient Penalty25 - Ea – Taesse26 - Skinless – Trample The Weak, Hurdle The Dead27 - Tristwood – The Delphic Doctrine28 - Virgin Black – Requiem – Fortissimo29 – Gospel – The Moon Is A Dead World30 – Kylesa – To Walk A Middle Course31 - Destroyer 666 – Cold Steel…For An Iron Age32 – The Black League – Ichor33 – Tyr – Eric The Red34 – Falkenbach – Heralding The Fireblade35 – Opeth – Deliverance36 – Caina – Some People Fall37 – Gorguts – From Wisdom To Hate38 – Electric Wizard – Dopethrone39 – Moonsorrow – V:Havitetty40 – Raging Speedhorn – How The Great Have Fallen
― scott seward, Saturday, 5 December 2009 12:54 (fourteen years ago) link
New Alcest! Split with Les Discrets:
http://www.prophecyproductions.de/cache/02f1b1bd074fa96b47b8573b50b32ff6.jpg
As promised, Alcest has the harsh vocals this time, and it's very strong, even though I really loved the clean vox of the last record. Bodes well for the full-length.
― A. Begrand, Monday, 7 December 2009 05:31 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm doing a week-long trawl through the Decibel list; here's my take on #s 100-81... http://bit.ly/6vFsQf
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Monday, 7 December 2009 14:38 (fourteen years ago) link
I see the decade issue is available exclusively from their website and from "select indie record retailers'-- anyone got a tip on where I can buy it in NYC?
― Bring me Sanka or Tetley (Jon Lewis), Monday, 7 December 2009 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Phil -- dissecting the decibel list is a fine idea, but it should be noted that decibel considers itself an "extreme music" magazine, not just metal. That being said, the "The Top 100 Greatest Metal Albums of the Decade" is perhaps an inaccurate name.
― metal T-shirt worn over an Oxford (J3ff T.), Monday, 7 December 2009 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link
i seem to remember the same thing said about a certain book :)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 7 December 2009 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link
also, and I think this is a valid question, are you going off of what was actually written about each record's inclusion in the magazine, or are you just going by the list as a list? Because I think it would be at least worthwhile to read the justifications before going off blindly on an entry not being metal enough. I'm not blindly defending the list just because I'm a contributor, God knows there's a ton of stuff that I disagree with on there (Converge? Really?), but I do think it's at least unfair to instantly dismiss it without the full picture. If anything, I think that the decibel list speaks to two things: first, the sheer diversity of what could be considered to be metal in this past decade, and second (and probably less important from an academic standpoint but more important to understanding why the list is so seemingly random), the sheer variety of the tastes of the contributors to the magazine. Considering that the magazine is one of the few still afloat, and a lot of people from other late, lamented publications have wound up there, it's also kind of an interesting look at extreme music/metal journalism from this past decade as well.
― metal T-shirt worn over an Oxford (J3ff T.), Monday, 7 December 2009 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I find that the likelihood of anybody's best-metal-of-anything lining up with my idea of Metal decreases rapidly once the size of the opining body rises above zero. Groups of 1 sometimes produce reasonable lists, but not so often once the 1 starts to include people other than me. Put more than a handful of people together and it's totally hopeless. That Decibel decade list has, out of 100 slots, only 10 bands I'd even consider, and at least half of them seem to me like the metal bands that people who don't really like metal like. Converge, Isis and Mastodon were collectively responsible for 10% of the 100 best metal albums of the whole decade? Of the 14 bands who have multiple albums on the list, I like only Enslaved.
But I'm sure it goes both ways, too, at least a little bit. HIM's Love Metal is likely to make my top 10 for the 2000s.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 7 December 2009 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, I think this is exactly what's wrong with that list. when a bunch of people vote, consensus picks take the top spots and the whole thing ends up blander.
― original bgm, Monday, 7 December 2009 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
heh, but even that doesn't excuse...
15. Pelican - The Fire in Our Throats Will Beckon the Thaw
― original bgm, Monday, 7 December 2009 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Only one Southern Lord album(Warhorse). Did decibel fall out with sunn o)))?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 7 December 2009 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
sunn o))) stroke?
sunn o))) poisoning?
― scott seward, Monday, 7 December 2009 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
I wrote that Pelican blurb!
Also, "bland" is not a word I would use to describe that list, whether you like it or not.
― metal T-shirt worn over an Oxford (J3ff T.), Monday, 7 December 2009 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link
The lack of Sunn love from dB is not surprising!
Oh, and apologies for the Iron Maiden blurb in the decade issue, the band is refusing all interviews right now, so we were stuck using an old one from 2000.
― A. Begrand, Monday, 7 December 2009 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
i have never seen a opy of decibel anywhere so how is the lack of southern lord stuff not surprising?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 7 December 2009 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, some folks just plain don't like Sunn O))). People either love them or loathe them, as we all know.
― A. Begrand, Monday, 7 December 2009 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link
aww i was hoping that the magazines editor was butthurt over the abuse it took from the old southern lord message board hehe
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 7 December 2009 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah they were a rough crowd over there
http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/spaceballs2.jpg
― scott seward, Monday, 7 December 2009 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link
too rough for greg anyway he kicked us off
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 7 December 2009 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link