"Uh Huh Her." Thoughts on the new PJ Harvey?

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She's just been on Jools Holland, and was really good. jellybean - she wore the same yellow dress and pink heels as in those photos and the reason for the obsession is that she looks AMAZING!

I'm thinking that this'll be where the glamour-kitten image of Stories... and the dirty blues intensity of Dance Hall At Louse Point meet.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 May 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

Petridish really does seem to have a problem with black music, doesn't he?

Man, I had the biggest crush on Alexis Petridis when I was 18 or so. ...my how times change.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Friday, 28 May 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

yeah. I saw Jools Holland as well.. that outfit does look really good (I was too short to see her shoes when she was playing live)

jellybean (jellybean), Saturday, 29 May 2004 09:07 (twenty years ago) link

"on paper, a lot of her songs are structurally pretty boring, but she's got this way of elevating them by virtue of some weird intangible. i dunno if it's the power in her voice or the determination that she executes the material with, but as with most of her stuff, i'm convinced that 90% of these songs would just fall flat in lesser hands."

yep.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 29 May 2004 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

Not sure if this is the thread to say it in, but I was listening to Dance Hall at Louse Point again today and thinking about how massively underrated it is. At times it feels (perhaps ironically) like the ultimate Harvey record - the way the songs switch up constantly and Polly goes from whispers to screams to talking to really pretty singing as if these changes were the most natural thing in the world. And it's constantly intense without being heavy, which is not necessarily a good thing, but it seems to me to be the feeling that Polly's been trying to capture with all her albums post-Rid of Me. Hmm perhaps I really like this album because of the way it seems to combine quite naturally a lot of my favourite aspects of Rid of Me, To Bring You My Love and Is This Desire?

Ha ha and of course "Taut" is the best thing Kim Gordon never did.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 30 May 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

Tim, I agree - that's actually my favorite Harvey album, for all the reasons you give. And "Taut" is fantastic, though I prefer the live versions where you can make out the lyrics ...

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Monday, 31 May 2004 00:13 (twenty years ago) link

I was a big fan of Rid Of Me and enjoyed Dry as well. I didn't like the change of direction of To Bring You My Love, and proceeded to ignore her output until something (can't remember what now) made me get "Stories" and I actually kinda liked it. I mean, it did have a few great songs on it including "We Float" (will she ever do anything THAT good again?) I didn't like the song she did on it where it sounds too much like she's trying to rip off Patti Smith, though.

Anyway, since then I've had some guilt about not picking up "Is This Desire?" Just never got around to it.

I agree the new album's title and sleeve are both incredibly awful, but I'd like to hear it.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 31 May 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

Tim: My reaction to "Dance Hall" is about the same as "Stories" - one or two good songs, otherwise ick, why'd she bother?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 31 May 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

that pedritish review is shocking - There are artists who have founded long careers purely on making music that people feel they ought to like (in the case of dub reggae, which seems to consist entirely of legendary albums that sound exactly the same as each other, there's a whole genre) he should have been sacked based on that one sentence alone.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 31 May 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

Tim otm about Dance Hall... the 1995-98 period is Polly's golden age as far as I'm concerned, none of those three albums put a foot wrong anywhere.

"Taut" is the best thing ever - "even the sonofgodhadtoDIEMYDARLIN'!!"

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 31 May 2004 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

"Unpronouncable title" says the Guardian guy. Uh huh, it's him.

I thought "Stories" was her best LP ever, actually; I could care less about Thom Yorke but it still worked, that track. Didn't care for her Hal Hartley film too much but so what. Coming to New York did her some good I guess and I like the way she says "San Diego" on that last album. I like the way she seemed to have been all freaked out by America, too, I like her and above poster is right--what she does shouldn't work, it seems kinda simple and stupid but then she sings. Maybe she's been listening to Hasil Adkins or Jandek, judging by the new CD's cover, that's fine.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 31 May 2004 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

(in the case of dub reggae, which seems to consist entirely of legendary albums that sound exactly the same as each other, there's a whole genre)

so, the michael medved of music criticism, then.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 31 May 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

"Tim otm about Dance Hall... the 1995-98 period is Polly's golden age as far as I'm concerned, none of those three albums put a foot wrong anywhere."

I like Rid of Me about as much as the subsequent three actually. I bought it when I was thirteen (one of my very first albums) and I still find that I like it more each time I play it (which is not a whole lot, admittedly!).

I'm actually quite looking forward to this album and I love the title and the cover more and more all the time.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 31 May 2004 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm, I think 4 Track Demos is the better version of Rid Of Me, it captures that bug-eyed intensity a lot better because it doesn't have Steve Albini producing it badly... also, it has "Easy" and "Driving".

Uh Huh Her was meant to arrive today... where is it? where? Fucking Royal Mail. Grrr.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 07:30 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, the full-on sound of rid of me gets a bit dull after the first few tracks, and i don't really like the dylan cover. four track demos is much better, more idiosyncratic and unpredictable.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 08:44 (twenty years ago) link

This is an Amazing album. I don't get the lukewarm reviews at all.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

I don't get the "albini ruined Rid of Me" thing either. 4 track demos sound like demos. If you like demos, then fine. Rid of Me sounds like a finished album.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago) link

I've never found it Rid of Me difficult sonically either. It's an exhausting album, but not because of the production.

Never bought 4 Track Demos! Must rectify at some point.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

finally found Uh Huh Her; it's a vinyl rip and not a very great one, but I don't know what people are complaining about. This is a great record.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 3 June 2004 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

if you're on slsk, look for files with "aaf" in their name. I think this is a CD rip.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 June 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

4 Track Demos and Rid of Me are equally great. To Bring you my Love is perfect. Is This Desire? is one notch of greatness below the former two, and I echo all the good things said on here about Dance Hall at Louse Point and all the less good things said about Stories... (Can you tell I just read the entire thread and then posted in a glut of Peej-stalgia?) Anyway, based on that, will I like the new one?

David A. (Davant), Thursday, 3 June 2004 22:31 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and I don't make a habit of hating on other music writers (yeah, my heart is soft), but that King Tubby diss made me mad. Why'd he pick on him, of all artists?

David A. (Davant), Thursday, 3 June 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago) link

yeah you'll like it, it's not as polished-rock-y as Songs/Stories. This album reminds me more of Dry than any of the others.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 3 June 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks. Excellent.

David A. (Davant), Thursday, 3 June 2004 23:34 (twenty years ago) link

You can still listen to the whole album here, for now. ("omlaag" is "down", as in scroll down for the P J album)

JoB (JoB), Friday, 4 June 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Praise the ILM collective.

On first listening, Uh Huh Her is definitely a step back toward some kind of emotional coherence and direction. Like her earlier stuff, it's understated, with few muddying layers, and seems half-written initially. This is a good thing. Many of these songs, while retaining the raw blues spine of her early 90s work, are wrapped in more Latin flesh. And thankfully, her unique eroticism is back, female but not generic.

At times, she almost sounds like she's flirting with preciousness a la Sinéad O'Connor circa I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got, and she gets away with it. At others, she's a dark savant sibling to early Hole Courtney sans the histrionics. In fact, by mostly shedding her own histrionics, and injecting some kind of Patti Smithery (she's done that before, more overtly), her voice has reached its apotheosis (perhaps) without ever succumbing to the dreaded word/concept "mature".

Oh. Another quick observation: the album gets progressively stronger.

Fuck, this is nice. It'll change, I'm sure, but for now, standouts are "The Life and Death of Mr. Badmouth", "Shame", "The Slow Drug", "It's You", "The Desperate Kingdom of Love" and "The Darker Days of Me and Him".

The shorter songs/interludes help stitch it together. It feels like it all belongs. (Even those seagulls.)

Embarrassing as it sounds, I love her (music!) more than ever. This makes me very happy.

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 June 2004 03:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks for the detailed synopsis, David.

I just want to defend Albini's production of Rid Of Me wholeheartedly. I remember when I first heard his production of Wedding Present Seamonsters and it took me years to get used to it despite my respect for both him and the Weddoes. With PJ, though, his production made perfect sense because there was more silence, more breathing room. It's hard to imagine that album having been better without him.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Oddly enough, I've always preferred Albini's production of bands/artists who actively use silence between the sounds, such as Low or Nina Nastasia. I think when you realise this about him, even the more dense stuff he's produced makes more sense, somehow.

(As for my synopsis, I've quit worrying about embarrassing myself on ILM -- my personality leans toward the ridiculously effusive and enthusiastic, I just can't do hipster reserve, so I no longer even try.)

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 June 2004 05:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree. This place often suffers from hipster reserve as though it were a physical ailment it can't shake. Ruins my enjoyment in being here. I'd rather see someone go absolutely apeshit over some band I don't like than look at boring, dry holier-than-thou hipster reserve all day.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Because after all, we are apes, and most of the time we're full of shit!

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 June 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i agree with mr. snrub

Unknown User, Friday, 4 June 2004 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

and you're both idiots

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't tell whether J.D. is saying people who don't like hipsters are idiots or people who think Polly Harvey is ugly are idiots.

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, the latter. i'm all for hating on hipsters.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, I'm with you, then.

(Polly Harvey is actually astonishing-looking, like some kind of semi-malevolent nocturnal creature in human form, which makes her sort of compelling.)

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Those who don't give a flying fuck whether they are "hip" or not are often *perceived* to be hip by people wishing desperately to be hip.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i like this album a great deal. prefer it a hell of a lot more to songs from the... there's nothing as bleuh as those last few songs on the last album, i forget the titles now, but i always thought they should either be on a womans' mag free CD or in a tampon advert.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

That guy she's with is wearing a Big Black shirt.
-- Andy K (kxllmx...), May 15th, 2004.

WOW!
It looks like it could say Big Black, but are you sure???

mei (mei), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

RE: her yellow dress and pink shoes.

Anyone else thinking of Karen O right now?

A few of the new songs, eg "The Life and..." strike me as YYYsesque too.

mei (mei), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

And hmmm I don't see why Alexis Petridis is getting such a bashing for expressing his dislike of King Tubby in a sarcastic manner.

mei (mei), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone else thinking of Karen O right now?

This really should be the other way around.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Karen O thinking of Ned Raggett right now?

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

She can't get pi out of her head.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

It's good, but it doesn't remind me that much of Dry or Rid of Me. Both were far more vibrant/energetic and the sound was more harsh.

It might just be the MP3s I downloaded (which sounds like they might be the vinyl rip), but this is heavier and sludgier (ie the Desert Sessions/QOTSA dude has rubbed off).

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

even though i haven't heard the new one yet I agree with everything Tim Finney says, as always (except re: last missy album! =) about Dance Hall...so underrated...

Is Civil War Correspondent not one of the most poignant anti-war songs ever ? those lyrics, geez... Rope Bridge Crossing and Heela are amazing as well...intense, over-the-top, but with almost a camp-like sense of enthralling fun bubbling in the background to the drama (esp the part where john parish does back-up vocals on Heela) -->

"
{She ...}
{She was a girl, she got her hair done nice}
{She said "i've given all I got to my healer man}
{He put his hands on me, showed me what I am} "

Vic (Vic), Sunday, 6 June 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

And that yellow dress, that's a picture of PJ HERSELF on it, isn't it!

mei (mei), Monday, 7 June 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

having had this album for two days now, i have to say the textures are just amazing. polly is quite underrated as a producer.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Monday, 7 June 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never understood why Stories is so hated amongst hipstaz. It's by far my fave PJ album and I can't think of another record that conjures so vividly the giddy freedom of a summer night in the big city.
So I'm a bit suspicious of the new one and the so-called return to 'dry rawk'..

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never understood why Stories is so hated amongst hipstaz.

I like it quite a bit as well, I know Ally made it her album of the year at the time. Actually, there's no PJ Harvey album I hate at all -- they're all pretty great!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

in the french press i read that pj harvey sings about her broken up relationship with vincent gallo on her new album. does anyone here know more about that?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link


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