The Smiths: Classic or Dud?

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Geir, you make my head hurt.

Manuela Kamosi (mjt), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:59 (twenty years ago) link

The Smiths were a great singles band, but I would never want to listen to them for more than fifteen minutes at a time. (At least now. When I was fifteen it was a differnet story.)

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 14 November 2003 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

"fifteen minutes with Ian, oh IIIII wouldn't sayyyy no"

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 14 November 2003 02:27 (twenty years ago) link

This is silly. They easily deserve to be considered among the great British bands of all time.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 14 November 2003 03:33 (twenty years ago) link

The Smiths were the gayest band of all time.

So, classic, then.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 14 November 2003 03:34 (twenty years ago) link

I can't believe how controversial this is when everyone agreed that Duran Duran were classic. Ridiculous.

ddrake, Friday, 14 November 2003 05:53 (twenty years ago) link

(I would like to clarify that my earlier comment was about Spencer's mix, not The Smiths, who were a stone-cold classic no matter how much Morrissey may irritate me today.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 November 2003 13:06 (twenty years ago) link

The Smiths were generally overrated. Their way of songwriting just didn't work, as they didn't pay close enough attention to melodic qualities. Morrissey's lyrics and Marr's guitar improvisations became too important, which led to repetitive songs, over repetitive chord patterns.

for a long time I have said "Geir's not so bad, give him a break".

but now I say GEIR MUST BE DESTROYED.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 14 November 2003 13:30 (twenty years ago) link

Sometimes I want to meet Geir to see what sort of muppet can actually come out with such nonsense. Other times I'm with DV and wish he didn't exist.

chris (chris), Friday, 14 November 2003 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

It's just an indication that Geir completely fails to grasp/appreciate/understand/care much about the extra-musical content/context of pop, which is fair enough.

It means his pop life (from my POV) is irreversibly impoverished as a result, but it allows all manner of other material through for him to enjoy without the contextual baggage that might put other people off.

I don't have a problem with him at all - he just doesn't experience pop music in anything like the same way I do.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 14 November 2003 13:41 (twenty years ago) link

I bet he dances in much the same funky way as you though, Jonesy.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 14 November 2003 13:44 (twenty years ago) link

'melody' IS 'extra-musical content'

dave q, Friday, 14 November 2003 13:47 (twenty years ago) link

Explain, Dave.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 14 November 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link

I normally find Geir entertaining and think you are all MEAN to him.

but when he disses the Smiths - that's out of order.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...

MOJO reports that an actual genuine get-together (previously unreported anywhere) took place between all 4 smiths in 1995, and that the full story is to appear in a 148 page mag-book-thing
Q SMITHS SPECIAL (available friday 28th 2004).
it advises that we all get 'a stiff drink' ready.

can't wait!

piscesboy, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

I read somewhere that this story is much overblown.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

dude wtf crack was I on when this thread started?

Allyzay, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 03:27 (twenty years ago) link

so you like the smiths now, ally?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 03:28 (twenty years ago) link

yeah! I've also owned plenty of Morrissey albums and have since the early 90s so I'm not sure what I was saying about hating his voice either, I must've decided I hated all sad music for that month or something.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 03:36 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe there was a Smiths fan you were trying to forget about dealing with at the time?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 04:25 (twenty years ago) link

Classic! A SMITHS CONVERT!

I can't get excited about this Mojo thing, though. I mean, 1995? It all sounds kindof far fetched, or yeah, probably overblown.

x-post

Bimble (bimble), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 04:31 (twenty years ago) link

I mean wasn't that when they were in the midst of lawsuits? Why else would they meet?

Bimble (bimble), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago) link

haha Ned you cheeky bastard.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago) link

MOJO reports that an actual genuine get-together (previously unreported anywhere) took place between all 4 smiths in 1995

Why does this make me think of Our Friends In The North?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:16 (twenty years ago) link

stranger still it was chrissie hynde that was responsible...

piscesboy, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:35 (twenty years ago) link

From the way I heard it described, C. Hynde said that they should get together and try to work a few things out. Nothing more than that.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

(Ally: I think you also said on another thread somewhere that you hated every Morrissey song except Speedway.)

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

!!! I do apologize and have no explanation for my bizarre behavior!

Allyzay, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

the smiths at the beeb documentary/sessions is on again in 2 parts on the ALEX JAMES show on bbc 6 radio. tuesday and wednesday i think or wedneday and thurday i can't remember. its fckng ace.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 11:19 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
If I had a time machine I'd go back in time and kill whoever stamped on Morrisey's hamster.

mei (mei), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Water: Classic or Dud?

Bimble..., Wednesday, 22 December 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

the smiths are the poor man's wedding present.

there, i've always wanted to say that in a public place. i'm going to run away now and hide.

you know it's true, though. you KNOW it's true.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"Girl you know it's true! Ooh ooh ooh I love you!"

NOOOOO! No one is allowed to call that song to mind in my brain! OUCH!

I want to have surgery, pluck the cells involved with that song out of my brain forever please. I swear I'm innocent. I didn't know that was lurking in my memory. I'll even take...well no, I won't take "shiny happy people", it's not that bad, but..

How can The Smiths be a poor man's Wedding Present when the guitarists and their sound are so completely different? One would NEVER imagine Steve Albini producing The Smiths, for example. I wouldn't care to hear the grunge Smiths, come to think of it. Or the hardcore Smiths. Even if you hate the Smiths, let's just leave them as they are shall we? They're in a land quite a few hills away from the Wedding Present.

Bimble..., Thursday, 23 December 2004 07:51 (nineteen years ago) link

"Classic times fucking 10 anyway."

A major, major understatement.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 23 December 2004 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link

There were still overrated.

Now if they had only ever made a song as beautifully melodic and harmonic as "Made Of Stone" or "Bye Bye Badman"...

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 23 December 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

'Ask' is damn melodic.

57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 23 December 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Morrisey rarely sang a "melody" that contained more than three notes.

Few bands evoke such strong feelings of loathing in me -- maybe it's just because I've had to have this argument so many times with incredulous fans who can't fathom someone not liking The Smiths. There is no band that I like that I can't at least fathom someone else not liking. But I cannot fathom the utter reverence for The Smiths. Dud Dud Dud Dud Dud.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 24 December 2004 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

(Note that The Wedding Present is a poor man's everything.)

Classic duh duh duh

Atnevon (Atnevon), Friday, 24 December 2004 04:53 (nineteen years ago) link

How can The Smiths be a poor man's Wedding Present when the guitarists and their sound are so completely different?

it's more to do with the emotional milieu in which the bands work: the poor indie loser out of step with the world. mind you, even that's not much of a comparison, i admit. i'm not sure where my patented "poor man's weddding present" comparison came from, but it certainly winds people up in the pub. perhaps that's the only reason i came up with it, actually ;)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 27 December 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha ha! Cheers.

Bimble..., Monday, 27 December 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
thinking about the record sleeves, and i've always thought that somehow the aesthetic doesn't match the songs aesthetic?

-- (688), Sunday, 13 August 2006 05:35 (seventeen years ago) link

There were still overrated.

Now if they had only ever made a song as beautifully melodic and harmonic as "Made Of Stone" or "Bye Bye Badman"...

GREATEST. TROLL POST. EVER.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 13 August 2006 05:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't stand Morrisey, although when I have a few drinks, I can do a wicked imitation of him singing PAVEMENT's Summer Babe. I think I only like about 3 songs by the Smiths, by that's just a matter of taste, and I would have to still say classic over dud. I do think Johnny Marr is great, and would have been so in any number of bands.

nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Sunday, 13 August 2006 07:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Well this is weird to have a Smiths thread resurrected. I was just thinking earlier tonight about ten years ago when I saw someone singing along to the Smiths, and fell in love with them.

Kiss My Grits! (Bimble...), Sunday, 13 August 2006 08:09 (seventeen years ago) link

this is weird for me too. this morning i came across a cassette of kill uncle at the back of a drawer and really enjoyed listening to it. i had forgotten how very passionately i loved the smiths and morrissey as a teen. i can still see why.

gem (trisk), Sunday, 13 August 2006 08:13 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

I say Classic.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 18 January 2008 05:10 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

could someone explain bo diddley in how soon is now (according to the nyt)? humming would be okay.

youn, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 23:43 (sixteen years ago) link

the rotochorus (or whatever it is) on the main guitar kind of does a bump babump babump babump-bump thing

that's less cringey than reuters' subhead of 'influenced rockers from elvis to u2'

gff, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 23:59 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah the accents resemble the Bo Diddley beat with all the swing taken out

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 01:35 (sixteen years ago) link


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