― chris herrington, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
...oh, and LIQUID SWORDS!!!
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
but also:master p - ghetto dgangstarr - daily operationsugk - riding dirtyblack moon enta da stagebig l - lifestyles ov da poor and dangerous8ball and mjg - in our lifetimemight be on the list, aside from stuff already mentioned.
― d k (d k), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
Death Certificate is mentioned in this thread, but how come no one's said AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted? I hadn't been listening to that record in years (I only had it on tape), but then I spotted and bought the reissue which also adds the Kill at Will ("Dead Homiez"!) EP to the package, and damn what a package! Even though it's produced by the Bomb Squad it's better than anything made PE (this is a highly personal opinion, I know, I just happen to like Ice Cube's flow and delivery a lot more than Chuck D's). I'd completely forgotten how good Cube was before he became a Hollywood star; I guess I should by the the Death Certificate reissue next.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
and now that I've said that, let's all salute the genius that is L.L. Cool J's Walking With a Panther, which decimates Frank Kogan's non-argument about hip-hop not being an album genre.
― Neudonym, Monday, 14 July 2003 14:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Mecca And The Soul Brother. Not one bad track. No instrumental interludes. NO FUCKING SKITS. Just flow, flow, flow for 75 minutes.
Other nominations from me:
New Kingdom, Paradise Don't Come Cheap (Funkadelic circa 1970 meets Godflesh)
Schoolly D, Smoke Some Kill
Genius/GZA, Liquid Swords
Sensational, Loaded With Power
Ol' Dirty Bastard, Return To The 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
Wonderful album. Did they only have the two releases?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
1. Outkast - Aquemini (so much better than Stankonia, total definition of an aesthetic)2. Brand Nubian - One for All (why hasn't anyone mentioned this one? It's so goddam good!)3. Eminem - Slim Shady LP4. Ol Dirty Bastard - N****a Please5. Ghostface - Supreme Clientele
Oh. I guess Cube doesn't make the list after all. Fuck. Never mind. He's like #7 maybe behind the Blueprint.
― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
Um, yes there are.
― oops (Oops), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
I know I mentioned Breaking Atoms upthread, but I don't know what I'd place as the first now. AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted? Fear of a Black Planet? Liquid Swords? Live and Let Die? The Blueprint? Supreme Clientele?
― Andy K (Andy K), Monday, 14 July 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― trife (simon_tr), Monday, 14 July 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 14 July 2003 20:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Josh (Josh), Monday, 14 July 2003 20:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― trife (simon_tr), Monday, 14 July 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 00:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 00:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 00:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 00:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
Does anyone actually think Common now is anywhere near as interesting an MC as he was at Resurrection?
― Matt Kasper..., Tuesday, 15 July 2003 03:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
I've never even heard two of the things I listed. (Gangstarr, Black Moon.) And I don't like All Eyez on Me. I don't understand why I would lie about that. I wanted to seem worldly or something, I guess.
― d k (d k), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 03:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
The thing about picking "greatest" things and just making canons in general is that there's always these albums that, while you'd never want to put them in that Greatest position, they'd always win if you listened to them end-to-end with any of the albums one would want to canonize. Like Dead Prez's "Let's Get Free".
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 04:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 04:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 04:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 04:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 04:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
Yeah, I don't understand the the Dead Prez hate I've been seeing here; are they becoming the new PE? In my opinion, "Let's Get Free" is one of the best rap albums of recent years, and it would definitely make into my canon.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 07:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
My choices are all fairly typical, I suppose...Illmatic as #1, followed by Liquid Swords, 36 Chambers, Nation of Millions...and the first Gold Chains EP as the darkhorse.
― Clay, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 07:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 07:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
or, yeah, clouddead
― Chip Morningstar (bob), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 08:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 09:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 10:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― ron (ron), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
An oft overlooked super-classic great-from-beginning-to-end album chock fulla great lyrics, beats, & interludes = Kool Keith's Sex Style. Unfuckwithable. To the MAX.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
ATLiens: strong from start to finish and the production gels perfectly with Andre/ Big Boi's flow. Deserves the modifier "dope" more than any hip hop record in recent memory.
― Will (will), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
actually every Outkast album is perfect (except the best of)
― pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― sean g, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 15:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
i think what tuomas was saying is that hank shocklee was involved with engineering both records but under a different guise (ts: bomb squad vs. lynch mob) and that several people on this thread prefer his work with ice cube vs. public enemy.
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
Oh shit, I forgot about that album! Ice Cube's cousin Del(aka -tron aka -Tha Funky Homosapien) was on it too! That was a great album.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
chilly chill was the DJ for the Lench Mob and if you haven't heard Ice Cube's "jackin' for beats" (and you love mid-school rap), you should... It's a really funny song (musically, not literally).
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 20:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 20:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link