FYI: Truth Attack - All Genres Of Music That Have Ever Existed Contain Awesome Music In Them, And If You Write Off A Whole Genre Of Music You Are Being Closeminded And Dumb

Well then I guess I loooooooooooove new age now. Thanx for the schooling.

I hope 1970s Miles counts as acid jazz.

C'mon Kevin, some of Eno's stuff could TOTALLY be considered new age by someone who isn't terribly concerned by labels - or at the very least, a lot closer to new age than to other enomusic.

...but of course, this is all about the ultimate uselessness of labels.

can this thread explain why there is no JADE WARRIOR thread?

Ha, I remember one time when I was home from college I was playing a Rachel's album and my parents said it sounded like something on Windham Hill.

some of Eno's stuff could TOTALLY be considered new age by someone who isn't terribly concerned by labels - or at the very least, a lot closer to new age than to other enomusic.

I hear ya, MVB. But I think the key idea in your xpost is less "some Eno = new age" than it is "someone who isn't terribly concerned by labels." Because for me, the interesting aspect of genre is feeling out the contexts in which a genre label signifies and then assessing the value of that labeling gesture. And by "value," I don't mean right or wrong but rather frequency. Have enough people understood and referred to Eno as new age in order to make the term valuable (in relation to Eno)? Who calls Eno new age and when? Should someone who isn't terribly concerned by labels determine a genre label? Should Eno be considered new age because On Land is a lot closer to new age than Here Come the Warm Jets is?

And in the fwiw category:

No results found for "eno is so new age"

Results 1 - 1 of 1 for "eno is new age"

But the latter leads to a piece ripping on that notion. Some nuggets:

"new age" music-- an aesthetic scourge (Eno) unintentionally helped to bring into being.

NEWS FLASH:
!!!!BRIAN ENO IS NOT A NEW AGE MUSICIAN!!!!

WHY?
Good question.
Well, because New Age music is political and spiritual. Eno is neither. Eno is neutral.

There's this idea that if something is mellow, and electronic it is somehow "New Age Music."

OTHER ARTISTS
WHO ARE NOT NEW AGE MUSICIANS
AND YET WILL BE FREQUENTLY FOUND
IN THE NEW AGE SECTION:
John Fahey
Tangerine Dream
Ryuichi Sakamoto
Jean Michel Jarre
Robert Fripp
Pete Namlook
David Van Teighem
Penguin Café Orchestra
Philip Glass
John Hassell

No results found for "eno is new age as fuck"

Results 1 - 10 of about 492,000 for eno "new age". (0.12 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 240,000 for "brian eno" "new age"

HOW CAN THESE AMAZING STATISTICS NOT MATCH

Ok go through all those and tell us what they say.

how about u stfu dipshit

Results 1 - 10 of about 17,000,000 for "miles davis" jazz. (0.29 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 116 for "miles davis is jazz".

AS IF A STRANGE PATTERN EMERGING CANT QUITE PUT FINGER ON IT

No results found for "miles davis is acid jazz"

Am I to conclude that, since I left work, there have been TWO HUNDRED clusterfuck Geirbait posts to this godforesaken thread?

http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/kandinsky.jpg

How happy I am that this image, which I love, is from k-punk.

Geir is insane. He is without the ability to reason. He is solipsistic to the extreme. There's no point even treating him like a human being. Has he ever even engaged with anyone on this forum on a personal level? Referred to someone by name during a discussion? Not that I can recall; he just repeats repeats repeats the same things over and over and over again almost completely regardless of context. He's insane. He's an automaton. His opinions seem interesting at first but they're unfounded and didactic and immutable and insane. He makes Carmody look like Jonathan Ross.

I guess we didn't close this thread then...

I guess that as long as he's allowed to derail threads like this such things will continue to happen.

Keep banging your heads against those walls, folks. They might break if you do it enough.

Everyone on this thread has suggest banned Geir, right?

Not me, seems daft to ban him

It would, however, be funny

Not me re the ban either.

Short of setting his posts to automatic Babelfish I'd definitely support a ban. He's a pruick and a creep.

or even a "prick" and a creep.

"Pruick". Like that.

Well there's another word beginning with "p" that comes to mind with Geir but I've been warned about that before...

pineapple?

porcupine?

pinstriped?

premium?

I'm at a loss

priapic

kevin john bozelka is worse than geir

Prog rock fan

"priapic"

cos of his..bald head?

sorry I meant "pathetic"

Mozart could do fabulous things a I, a IV, and a V chord

There is not a single Mozart work (maybe apart from the stuff he composed as a kid) which doesn't at least contain some kind of modulation, at least one chord apart from those three.

Remember, I am talking about the entire work and not a part of it.
One example here is "My Hometown" by Bruce Springsteen. On the surface, it may sound like a three chord song. The chorus and the verses use nothing but I-IV-V. BUT, the middle eight is the key to that song. It opens up everything. BECAUSE it has a minor chord! If that song didn't have the middle eight, I would have hated it. But that middle eight makes sure that everything opens up, that everything climaxes. It is the key chord in the entire song.

Here beith a I chord, here beith a IV, forthcoming also a V chord

Now go engender an orchestra...

Geir, can you refer to people by name? Can you even tell people apart?

from what I understand, new age is a branch of ambient, and eno is responsible at least for the "ambient" term. eno may or may not be new age, but new age is a form of ambient and so is eno.

so I wrote a couple things upthread which I'd like to explore:

anything beyond the mechanical objective measurement of notes and rhythms is opinion; genre is not based in any objective measurement system, so the definition is up for grabs; every piece of music is an assertion; some pieces reassert what is already known, some (purposefully or not) redefine the parameters of what is known; this makes genre a measuring stick with unknown boundries - i.e. a contradiction in terms

so let's talk about whether eno is new age or not. there's this:

NEWS FLASH:
!!!!BRIAN ENO IS NOT A NEW AGE MUSICIAN!!!!

WHY?
Good question.
Well, because New Age music is political and spiritual. Eno is neither. Eno is neutral.

which reads as the desperate protest of an eno fan that his beloved shouldn't be associated with something as icky as new age. how does a form of instrumental music consisting largely of meditative soundscapes somehow contain political/spiritual elements? unless of course you are evaluating things outside the music - the musicians' spiritual beliefs, the company they keep, the record label they're on.

this is the problem with genre - it relies on signifiers that have nothing to do with the music and closes listeners' ears to actual content. "new age" becomes a dismissive pejorative, regardless of whether or not the music is of any real worth. does "new age" really contain any value as a descriptor? who is responsible for the management of who is and who isn't "new age" - the people who don't want that awful albatross hung around their favorite artist's neck?

also, there *is* a spiritual and political subtext to eno's ambient work. he meditates, and he thought that the public would benefit from more meditative surroundings. music for aiports was originally installed in an airport, it was a subtle & provocative criticism of modern ugliness, of the alienation built into the design of public places. eno's a real thinker, so the medium became the messsage in a more satisfying way than others who followed in his footsteps. but eno's aims and that of a thousand hippy-dippy "new age" purveyors were not all that different.

philip glass - new age or no? how about his soundtrack to koyaanisqatsi? it's ambient, spiritual, and political.

Hmm, equally, I'd have thought it was a "New Age" fan who finds Eno shallow and lacking in political undercurrent.

Who knows, eh?

good point - I guess a new age "true believer" could see eno as a decadent dabbler but that's the trouble with fundamentalists isn't it

Is there such a thing as a New Age true believer? Was any music called "New Age" before Eno went ambient?

Defending the Indefensible: Windham Hill

"New Age Music", search and destroy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age_music

New Age music has its basis in the work of 1960s European and American electronic and acoustic musicians exploring music for creating expanded consciousness. In the late 1970s, music began to be recorded specifically for the purposes of meditation and relaxation. During the early 1980s, the term "New Age music" was introduced more widely to the public by radio stations and then by music retailers and some record companies, as a marketing tag applied to a variety of non-mainstream instrumental music styles. Radio stations in major markets (such as "the Wave" in Los Angeles) defined themselves as "New Age", while playing some New Age music and using nature sounds in their station-id's, yet those stations also heavily featured styles musically and philosophically unrelated to New Age music, for example, Smooth Jazz. The first true New Age radio station is the U.S. was KLRS (Colours) in Santa Cruz, CA with a non-stop playlist of New Age music and is considered the first New Age station in the world. Most major cable television networks have channels that play music without visuals, including channels for New Age music, such as for example, the "Soundscapes" channel on Music Choice.