― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 00:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Not too much into country (no, not Americana either), but Gram Parsons was great.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― ZR (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/results?search=Flying+Burrito+Brothers&search_type=search_videos
Incidentally, this seems like a different version of the song than the album version--where can you get it?
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― musically (musically), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 05:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― team jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 05:57 (eighteen years ago) link
Love,
Steve Shasta
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 06:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― ZR (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― JD from CDepot, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link
looks like i'm not the only one in love with that track.Help! Obsessed with Flying Burrito Brothers' "Wheels"
― team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link
SO GORGEOUISSSSS
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link
The jukebox is playin' A honky-tonk song "One more," I keep sayin' "And then I'll go home" What good will it do me I know what I'll find An empty bottle, a broken heart And you're still on my mind
The people are dancin' And havin' their fun And I sit here thinkin' About what you have done To try and forget you I've turned to the wine
An empty bottle, a broken heart And you're still on my mind
Alone and foresaken So blue I could cry I just sit here drinkin' 'Til the bottle runs dry What good will it do me I know what I'll find An empty bottle, a broken heart And you're still on my mind
― strgn, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 09:20 (sixteen years ago) link
"Juanita" is like the greatest song of all time.
― wanko ergo sum, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Chris Hillman rules
― Tom D., Tuesday, 11 December 2007 13:41 (sixteen years ago) link
I think "Wheels" is a little dud-ish. There's something about the tempo that gets me for some reason. I'll rep for "My Uncle" since no one here has yet. Makes me want to move to Vancouver.
― Billy Pilgrim, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link
"Wheels" is great!!!!!!!!!!!
― Tom D., Tuesday, 11 December 2007 13:56 (sixteen years ago) link
It can't be helped. I've listened to this album 8,400 times and I skipped wheels about 8,374 of those times. i feel like the song kinda stalls at "we've all got whee-" and has to start back up at "-eeels" and it exhausts me to listen to it
― Billy Pilgrim, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 14:10 (sixteen years ago) link
A sad old soldier once told me a storyAbout a battlefield that he was onHe said a man should never fight for gloryHe must know what is right and what is wrongSo I'm heading for the nearest foreign borderVancouver may be just my kind of townBecause they don't need the kind of law and orderThat tends to keep a good man underground, yeah now,I don't know how much I owe my uncleBut I suspect it's more than I can pay
― ian, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link
how come this album is so great and gram parsons' stuff so shite
― Michael B, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
^^rong
― "Pieface Game Concept" (G00blar), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Another great one that has recently come into view--their version of "Image of Me" (a cover, if memory serves?)...fantastic.
― Joe, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 11:32 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't think the parsons stuff is shite per se, but it certainly doesn't hold a candle to Gilded Palace or Sweetheart (given that his involvement there was a bit limited, you know.) BUT, those Sundazed anthologies with Gram doing lead vocals on sweetheart tracks = great.
― ian, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 14:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Chris Hillman
― Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 March 2009 09:57 (fifteen years ago) link
that new hillman/burritos book would certainly have you believe that!
― velko, Thursday, 26 March 2009 10:36 (fifteen years ago) link
parsons solo work is way better than any post-Gilded Palace hillman work imo. you can definitely say hillman & the other burritos made parsons focus a bit more, sure.
― velko, Thursday, 26 March 2009 10:38 (fifteen years ago) link
― ian, Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:39 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark
^^^ just wanna point out that i am otm here. everyone should listen to that royal albert hall concert.
― ian, Thursday, 19 November 2009 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link
i dunno, i prefer g.p. solo albums to this one. this one is a little too on-the-nose.
― figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Thursday, 19 November 2009 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
What do you mean?
― I Poxy the Fule (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 November 2009 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Just for clarification, are you implying that Gram is on that Royal Albert Hall concert? (He isn't.)
― QuantumNoise, Thursday, 19 November 2009 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link
oops that's my mistake--i'm thinking of Sanctuary IV.
― ian, Thursday, 19 November 2009 18:58 (fourteen years ago) link
(but the royal albert hall concert rules as well.)
― ian, Thursday, 19 November 2009 19:22 (fourteen years ago) link
is there anything different on Sanctuary IV that's not on the deluxe Sweetheart CD?
― tylerw, Thursday, 19 November 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I was going to ask the same question!
― QuantumNoise, Thursday, 19 November 2009 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Also, do recordings of the Byrds appearance on the Grand Ole Opry exist in any form whatsoever?
In similar news, Neil V. Rosenberg's awesome book Bluegrass: A History has a fantastic pic of the Byrds hanging with John Hartford during the Sweetheart sessions.
― QuantumNoise, Thursday, 19 November 2009 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah there's a bootleg with the Grand Ole Opry appearance. It's pretty good, though pretty loose.
― tylerw, Thursday, 19 November 2009 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
reading that hotel california book is kind of a bummer. everyone really thought gram was a shit. he had his champions, but so many people just saw him as a starfucking rich boy.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link
I like the way he was portrayed in the Stanley Booth book about The Rolling Stones.
― It Ain't The Meme (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link
There was a book about GP that came out a while back that was mentioned on this thread: Rate End Of Year Music Books As: Worth Buying, Worth Taking Out Of Library, Worth Browsing in Store, Wouldn't Touch With A Tenpole Tudor
― It Ain't The Meme (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 November 2009 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link
it really does seem like gram was a total asshole. there's a chris hillman quote that goes like, "gram would've been great if he had any fucking loyalty or respect at all."
― figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Friday, 20 November 2009 00:58 (fourteen years ago) link
chris hillman is super bitter tho. i can understand why he gets sick of all the gram attention, but he's kinda ott with it now. and his disdain for parsons didn't prevent hillman from taking part in the (high profile!) gram tribute album.
― velko, Friday, 20 November 2009 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link
it's true, but it's not as though chris is the only one saying such things.
― figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Friday, 20 November 2009 05:44 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't know. Chris Hillman doesn't seem at all bitter to me. In fact, I really enjoy his interviews. He's brutally honest and lacks any romance (totally unlike David Crosby who continues to spout hippie-fried rubbish that's been proven wrong time and time again). He isn't afraid to point out who was an ass and who squandered his/her talent in a scene flooded with both types. He often praises the insane talent that both Gram and Gene Clark possessed, but he's also quick to point out that both were drug-addled messes. I think it's only fair.
For a guy who was surrounded by debauchery and excess and insanely massive egos for a good ten years, Hillman seems awfully healthy, happy and well balanced -- but tough, too. He has a bluegrass background. He's a pro who is serious about music and getting work done and not putting up with the BS.
We've talked about this before, but I don't think the Byrds would've been nearly as productive between 1965 and '68 were it not for Hillman's fortitude. In addition to his bass playing and songwriting, dude was an anchor for one flake after another.
That's just my impression.
― QuantumNoise, Friday, 20 November 2009 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Hillman's playing on "Triad" is my favorite Byrds moment.
― Yah Kid A (Euler), Friday, 20 November 2009 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
the "hot burritos" book that came out last year with heavy input by hillman seems to be a hatchet job. it goes well beyond the "he pissed away his talent" and goes into disparaging the gram solo albums and saying $1000 wedding isn't a good song and shit like that.
― velko, Friday, 20 November 2009 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Personally, I think Gram's solo albums are flawed, and I don't have a problem with anybody disparaging them (especially a guy who knew him better than most -- as an artist, of course). Those albums have some incredible highs, but there's some awfully mediocre music to be found on both, as well as shoddy production. I dig the dude A LOT, but I do think the myth of Gram Parsons is bigger than his actual musical output warrants. In my opinion, there are several country-folk and country-rock artists from that era who were Gram's equal and who aren't worshipped like he is. I can walk into a record store and find a fat stack of CDs all repackaging the same 30-40 tunes of his, yet in the country section there's no chance of finding reissues of Mickey Newbury's early albums, all of which are, in my opinion, better from beginning to end than either one of Gram's solo albums. Newbury was dropping one brilliant album after another, each one redefining the intersection of country, folk, rock and soul.
Of course, this whole debate depends on what you think of Gram's solo output: utter perfection, great but flawed, overrated crap, etc.
― QuantumNoise, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link
http://76.163.140.17/images/4779%5B1%5D.jpg
http://users.skynet.be/fa388247/nelsoncountry.jpg
2 of my fave hollywood country records. 1966 and 1967. (i'm a bigger rick fan than gram fan.)
― scott seward, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link
i think GP is way better than grievous angel, but off the top of my head i really can't tell you why. i don't think i even own grievous angel anymore. traded it. gilded palace was always the One for me. spent so many hours listening to that record.
― ian, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't think gram is above criticism, but hillman comes off as "he was crap except when he was writing with me" which is self-serving at the very least. and parsons has 0% responsibility for the fawning cult that grew up after his death, so cheap shots at him seem more than a little petty. mcguinn also has stated being puzzled by the whole gram myth but he does so w/o belittling gram's talent
― velko, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link
i just finished that hotel california book. man, nobody gets out of that book alive. everyone ends up looking pretty shitty. what a depressing read. and there are slams galore from everyone. i should have kept a list of which kiss-off songs were about who. so many. i don't think i knew that Blue was all about James Taylor. joni, jeez, so many dudes and so many dude songs. linda ronstadt dissing neil young! actually linda ronstadt might be the only person who comes out okay in that book. and jackson browne actually.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link
okay, here's my confession: i've never heard the Hearts & Flowers albums! i gotta go get them. THEY are the band that everyone in that book idolized and ripped-off.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link
The Eagles seem like real bros in that Hotel California book iirc
(Kidding, they seem like the biggest a-holes of all. Shocker!)
― tylerw, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link
i might actually break down and get the collectors choice 2-cd H&F set cuz they have tons of bonus tracks on them.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
it's kind of a three way tie for king asshole in that book: stills/crosby/frey
― scott seward, Friday, 20 November 2009 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
if i take anything away from that book its probably this: ladies loved them some JD Souther!
― scott seward, Friday, 20 November 2009 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Speaking of which: http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=342
― tylerw, Friday, 20 November 2009 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link
oh and craziest thing in that book: stills doing so much coke that he thought he had fought in vietnam. he didn't think this for a night or a weekend, he actually would hallucinate this for years!
― scott seward, Friday, 20 November 2009 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
The jukebox is playin' A honky-tonk song "One more," I keep sayin' "And then I'll go home"
I played in a band that covered this, and for simplicity/in-jokiness we always wrote it on the setlist as JUICEBOX.
― Such A Hilbily (Dan Peterson), Friday, 20 November 2009 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
you know, i mistook this thread for a byrds-sweetheart of the rodeo thread. i do prefer gilded palace to gram solo (by some distance), but prefer both to sweetheart.
― figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link
i prefer notorious byrd brothers to just about everything on earth.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
when i'm playing it anyway.
Anyone know who the brunette woman on the front and back cover is? The internet's not turning up anything.
― clemenza, Monday, 10 September 2012 02:09 (eleven years ago) link
from Hickory Wind: The Life and Times of Graham Parsons
To get photographs for the cover of their first album. Gilded Palace of Sin, A&M art director Tom Wilkes took the Burritos to Pearblossom. To back up Mother Nature, Tom and photographer Barry Feinstein also hired two models, dressed and made up to look like hookers. The models, a miniskirted brunette and a blonde in a knit cap and wine-colored pantsuit, posed like the mannequins they were hired to be; they allowed themselves to be embraced and held aloft by various Burritos.
from Hot Burritos: the true story of the Flying Burrito Brothers
Two female models, Suzanne and Bridget, pose provocatively in the shed's open doorway.
I can't find anything more specific than that.
― crütis what we aim for (unregistered), Monday, 10 September 2012 02:20 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks--can't find last names. She's stunning in the film footage from that shoot.
― clemenza, Monday, 10 September 2012 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
this is such a great record. on one level it's a pretty exhaustive travestying of country music cliches. on the other hand it sustains such a provocative ambivalence about the country-music zeitgeist in sound and meaning. it's also just really musically inventive and full of hooks. i never fail to be astonished by how /young/ parsons and hillman were when they made this really sophisticated and subtle record: 22 and 44, respectively.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:46 (nine years ago) link
btw what is currently considered the best-sounding issue of this album? i have a beat-up original copy i play for kicks sometimes, and i also have this two-fer: http://www.amazon.com/Gilded-Palace-Sin-Burrito-Deluxe/dp/B000024R2P/
but i see that there are a few more recently CD and vinyl issues, including a 2010 japanese CD and a 2007 Four Men with Beards LP (which given 4MwB's track record I'm assuming is trash)
― I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:50 (nine years ago) link
this is like a six-star album for me
― I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:51 (nine years ago) link
in other news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MchWI3sLUQo
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
i know, it's not on this album, but i wasn't about to start a thread for their 2nd album
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link