I have come to the conclusion that I am a rockist.

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It's okay, jed. Short answer: my computer is too slow to handle a search on ILM for keyword: rockism. I didn't mean to rehash what everyone else must be tired of; it's just me thinking hard about hard subjects for the first time ever. You know how it is. I wasn't only looking for affirmation or something like that. It just seemd, you know. Important.

― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

the only issue i have with rockism is that many rockists are unwilling to give certain genres even a chance, which is an obvious point. the problem i have with some popists sometimes is that they seem to be incurious about music that's not immediately rewarding, and their musical worldview only extends slightly beyond the top 40 and Spin magazine.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

not talking about anyone on ILM of course.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

seriously.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't believe you. (Wait, I do.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

STAY OUTTA RIVERDALE

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― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

gear OTM. can we just post that to every rockism/popism thread and lock the thread?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

m@tt otm!

― gear (gear), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

― up, Friday, 21 October 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

After watching The Power Of Nightmares I realised I was a neocon.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link

after reading ilx i realized that people have an incredible capacity for thinking other people give a flying fuck about what they are.

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

It took ILX for that? Try working in a university. "I'm a doctor." "Cure my ills then, you pretentious cunt."

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I feel like I should defend myself here. I was trying NOT to make it a narcissistic post, and I KNOW nobody in cyberspace cares about my own music crises or whatever. I just wanted to hear something thoughtful on the subject from other people who care about MUSIC, because I feel like by the time I found this site it was at the point where somebody says "rockism!" and everyone giggles to themselves and returns to the subject at hand, comfortable in the knowledge that they got the joke. Or something.

― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's more the sense of self-identifying with a troublesome construct which is causing the giggles or otherwise -- in otherwards, why label yourself when it is not necessary?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I like your post, Owen.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link

So is it now like hip to be rockist then?

― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know whether I'm coming or going anymore

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I like it too - no need to defend yourself.

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess what I was trying to say and probably COULD have said much more succinctly was that "rockist" seems like such an onerous term, something akin to "fascist" these days, where it is vague enough and the original meaning broadened and deepened enough that you (not you personally, of course) can use it as a catch-all to describe anyone who you don't get along with; the question might have been better worded as, "if it's such an odious term then why as a music lover who considers himself basically open-minded and unprejudiced do I find it such a reasonable stance to take?"
HOWEVER. I don't feel any need to continue this post; I am still troubled by this, but that is, so I hear, perfectly normal, and possibly something I cannot resolve simply through the magic of the internet (ridiculous, I know).

Also, the thread title was just to get attention; I'm not really so naive as to be able to say something like that and believe it for more than about seventeen seconds.

As a postscript, the second "too" in the first sentence should have been a "two."

― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

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