This is the thread where we talk about great Beach Boys+BW unreleased/demo/semi-released songs

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This thread is making me realise I haven't been giving the Beach Boys enough love and attention recently. It also makes me realise that my quest for BB stuff isn't exhausted yet. That version of Big Sur... man... If anyone can help me get any of these tracks that would be amazing!

dog latin, Saturday, 6 February 2010 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry, missed the links above. iatee you are the best!

dog latin, Saturday, 6 February 2010 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link

np

but yeah that version of big sur is so much better than the original + probably the single best thing mike love's written (tho not sure who arranged it...)

I was in big sur once and it came on my ipod's shuffle and it was pretty great.

hmm I think I included the version that transitions into 'all I wanna do'...I'm not sure why it does (whether it's the bootleg or someone did it) but it sounds pretty.

iatee, Saturday, 6 February 2010 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link

other thoughts:

'good timin' w/ dennis might be my single favorite dw moment and is infinitely better than the original

there's no existing version of 'guess I'm dumb' w/ beach boys lyrics, only a glen campbell version which is still pretty good, but still a bb version woulda been a great track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OXKRIyaxQ

iatee, Saturday, 6 February 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Megaupload is being a horrible bully wit me :-(

dog latin, Sunday, 7 February 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link

hmm I will upload them somewhere else

iatee, Sunday, 7 February 2010 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link

hope that works better

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 05:27 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, this is great. thank you so much.

p.s. that glen campbell song is amazing.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Monday, 8 February 2010 09:26 (fourteen years ago) link

god I really got in the beach boys nerd mindset this week. being obsessed w/ beach boys rarities is really frustrating because so much of it is so much better than their released output. here's my complete alternate universe post-smile bb where someone w/ some degree of sanity is in charge of what goes on the albums. imo these would alll be 5*/5* albums, and sunflower + surf's up would be up there w/ pet sounds in a not-that-challopsy sense.

(ps, all of these songs existed / were recorded in time for the albums)

Wild Honey

1. Aren't You Glad
2. I Was Made To Love Her (extended)
3. Darlin'
4. Lonely Days
5. Let the Wind Blow
6. Country Air
7. Can't Wait Too Long
8. I'd Love Just Once To See You
9. Their Hearts Were Full of Spring

Friends
+ Old Man River + I Went To Sleep
- TM

20/20

1. We're Together Again
2. Never Learn Not To Love
3. Do It Again
4. I Can Hear Music
5. Time To Get Alone
6. A Time to Live In Dreams
7. Be With Me
8. Cabinessence
9. Our Prayer
10. Walk on By

Sunflower

1. Slip on Through
2. Add Some Music to Your Day
3. Lady
4. Forever
5. Celebrate the News
6. All I Wanna Do
7. Break Away
8. This Whole World
9. Cool, Cool Water
10. It's About Time
11. Soulful Old Man Sunshine

Surf's Up

1. It's a New Day
2. Big Sur (alt)
3. Long Promised Road
4. Surf's Up
5. A Day in the Life of a Tree
6. Feel Flows
7. Sound of Free
8. 4th of July
9. Barbara
10. Til I Die

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link

thx for that - was wondering where/when some of the stuff on your collection came from

mark kerfuffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 8 February 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

No 'Loop de Loop' on Sunflower? I love that song.

fit and working again, Monday, 8 February 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link

my alternate history ends w/

carl and the passions - keep it the same

holland - + 'good timin' + 'we got love'

15 big ones - this album never happens

love you - keep it the same

(band breaks up)

this gives the beach boys a run of 10 amazing albums in a row! if you pretend like 'party' doesn't exist and delete the filler on today and summer days, it could be 12!

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah I guess you can add loop de loop, but it'd be like the sloop john b of sunflower

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link

15 big ones - this album never happens

lol

mark kerfuffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 8 February 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I really like this so far iatee
If there are other songs I want to add, like like extra tracks from re-released albums or tracks from landlocked and adult child stuff I can easily do that myself

Soooo am I the only one hearing "big tits" in the song 'Hard Time'

stop assuming I assumed something LOL (CaptainLorax), Monday, 8 February 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Soooo am I the only one hearing "big tits" in the song 'Hard Time'

^^^NO! me and my wife were listening to this and both did a double-take. the wife also thought that "Stevie" was Brian's ode to his television lol

mark kerfuffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 8 February 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure they actually are saying 'big tits' (was then undirtified and turned into 'ding dang')

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

also megalolz at Our Prayer studio banter ("you guys feelin that acid yet?" "Denny I know you got some more of those hash joints")

mark kerfuffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 8 February 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

the wife also thought that "Stevie" was Brian's ode to his television lol

I don't think anyone knows much about this track...who knows, it could be about his tv. (saint etienne do a good cover version tho)

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah that's the thing, given Brian's songwriting habits writing an ode to his TV isn't really all that much of a stretch. Maybe the song's title really IS "TV" lolz

mark kerfuffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 8 February 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

According to the (heavily Landy-doctored) autobiography "Wouldn't It Be Nice", Brian wrote and recorded a huge number of demos as part of his therapy called things like "Bring Your Comb", "Stop Carnie From Eating So Many Peanut Butter Sandwiches Around Me" and "Quit Using My Toothpaste". So no it wouldn't surprise me either.

dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

"Stop Carnie From Eating So Many Peanut Butter Sandwiches Around Me"

this sounds like the best brian wilson song ever

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link

"Stop Carnie From Eating So Many Peanut Butter Sandwiches Around Me"

...later a hit for belinda carlisle!

i have a hard time thinking that WILD HONEY could be improved. and i seem to like FRIENDS way more than most, even those who like "later" (post-67) BB a lot.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

frieds is my favorite bb album!

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link

err with 'friends' as a close second

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link

LOL "frieds" brian wilson's concept album about fatty foods

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

he's certainly had a love/hate relationship with them

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

but yeah, friends is awesome. absolutely beautiful...and yeah, usually gets less attention than wild honey / sunflower / surf's up, which is weird cause it's (imo) easily the most consistent.

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, on most of the LPs from that era there are one or two atrocious songs that you'd prefer to skip (the archetypal one being "student demonstration time"), but i'm not sure that's true of "friends." even "transcendental meditation" is off-kilter in an appealing way. i mean, none of the songs is going to knock your socks off in the way that, i dunno, "heroes and villains" will, but there's something to be said for it all being of a piece.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

actually, "friends" is oddly reminiscent of "nashville skyline." both were tranquil/low-key albums released at a time when most were making Major Statements, and both are extremely short and sweet ("friends" is like 25 minutes long, right?). and both are very coherent.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I love Friends and the only thing wrong with TM is that it ruins the mellow vibe of the rest of the record.

fit and working again, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

wild honey was their nashville skyline really. their back-to-basics record.

fit and working again, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think it ruins it. it's not a good song by any means, but I agree w/ amateurist about 'off-kilter in an appealing way'...also it's less than 2 minutes long and is over before you know it.

also nashville skyline comparison is otm

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link

how is country back-to-basics for dylan! (or r&b for the beach boys!)

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link

nashville skyline/friends works better as a comparison -- both celebrate the joys of domesticity / joys of doin' nothin'.

tylerw, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

ruin was a strong word to use... it's not a bad song for the reasons mentioned. just that it leaps out after everything that went before.

fit and working again, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost yeah i can see that

fit and working again, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

back to basics in the sense of recording as a band in brian's front room

fit and working again, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

it is interesting though - the "non major statement" aspect of those post Smile records ... I mean, what if the Beach Boys, instead of releasing three records, had released Friends/2020/Sunflower as one double album a la the White Album? Would the late 60s be seen as more triumphant for the band then?

tylerw, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^ VERY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS BEING ASKED HERE

tylerw, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

people had basically stopped caring (regardless of how good/bad the music was) - so I imagine it woulda been more or less ignored

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah probably ...

tylerw, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link

and I mean 'would the late 60s be seen as more triumphant'

among critics / ilm-y types, I think late period beach boys are already seen as among the most interesting act of the era

so would they be more famous-successful w/ an triple album like that? eh I really doubt it. I doubt that even had smile been finished their commercial success would be much different. I mean, even pet sounds was something of a commercial failure.

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link

acts*

iatee, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Why do I still see 20/20 as "not a proper album" in my head?

dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

fwiw smiley smile through surf's up is by far my favourite period in bb history, but i'm sure this is no longer a challops. I've said it before, but smiley smile is one of the best records of all time in my opinion.

dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link

listening to rarities now - thanks so much for this iatee, once again...

dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link


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