In retrospect, Eminem kind of sucks right?

They could give away Snakes on a Plane! instead.

man I worked with troubled kids during Eminem's rise & high water days and I never saw anything like the bond his shit had with those kids

fuck hating on "kids' stuff," go listen to Yes

The hype was super-annoying & off-putting at the time, but he made a bunch of singles that sounded great cranked up in the car, so he def. did NOT suck!

Weird how long ago it seems now.

At first I thought Eminem was a kind of flash-in-the-pan joke rapper, like Humpty Hump or Paul Barman, and it turns out that he was exactly that, except completely brilliant (if a little repetitive).

"Purple Pills" is my favorite to crank up in the car.

What do you mean 'in retrospect', he has always been shit. Plus he's shockingly the one rapper I can think of that sticks to all the rap stereotypes (aside from the half nekkid girls in the vid...ish) the violence, misogyny, homophobia...EVERYTHING.
I liked Purple Hills and Stan was really high concept.
They could give away Snakes on a Plane! instead.
I totally agree

i feel that the title of this thread is disingenuous

where's the "in retrospect" with a bunch of ppl who didn't like him in the first place insulting dude

You were 10 years old when that came out? I'm ancient. I remember selling blank CDs in highschool of Eminem's Marshal Mathers whatever in 2000 when I found it on some mp3 FTP site (this was just a little before Napster, that's how you did it... all on a modem). People paid me $20 for that crap; people also had no idea what blank CDs were.

Wanna work on your timetable a little bit? Napster was most definitely up, running, and quite popular before the summer of 2000 when Marshall Mathers LP dropped.

lol burt_stanton was out of the loop

When he's talking serious shit his flow tends to get stuck in this monotone rut that is far less interesting than his surreal, D-12ish stuff, which has a more fluid, free style to it (both in terms of flow and in wordplay/content). As his career went on he got more into the former and that got boring real quick for me. Those first two albums are classic though.

Damn, does this ever sum up my feelings about Em's career.

For me it was all downhill after SS LP, which remains a deranged, magical masterpiece (and always will be thus). Then MM LP dropped and it was still pretty stellar but he was getting SERIOUS (post-backlash defensiveness I guess) and so less fun, more bristling. Then EM SHOW came out. I totally hate that record save maybe "White America" and :"Business" and maybe one other song. Never listen to it because it's so dire and crossover and whatever, it's where Middle America at Large got behind Shady like "hey, this guy's not so terrible after all, maybe it's okay for lil Erica and Eric to listen to him, etc." (I mean, just thinking about that album right now's getting me mad) ENCORE was a total mess but it's my second favorite Em album because it's him not giving half a fuck (the majority) while at the same time really giving one ("Mosh").

Hopefully he comes back strong with some new subject matter - I'm seriously sick of hearing about his family and how critics hate him, etc. I wish he'd rap about his more recent problems with the same trippy acidity of yore, you know?

loved eminem back then but he was very much of his time i guess, i don't think i've actively wanted to listen to one of his songs in years. it's embarrassing that he was my gateway to hip-hop, once i really got to know the genre i think i realised he wasn't all that special in its context.

wonder which borad that'll be quoted on

none

I wouldn't think that would be embarrassing at all! Dude was a huge crossover success; there are going to be a ton of people who found their way into hi-hop via him.

yeah i know, it's just a bit of a cliché, plus it's still lame that hip-hop's biggest crossover success (in the uk at least) had to come with the white dude who may as well have been rock half the time.

it's probably more lame to be one of the people who loved eminem but didn't get into hip-hop as a genre though

haha that I agree with 100%

re question: Compared to what?

once i really got to know the genre i think i realised he wasn't all that special in its context.

i think this depends on what you mean. it's true that there were a lot of people talking about "flow" and "internal rhymes" like he'd invented them or something. (and on the flow count especially, he got better and less stilted -- i'm thinking "business," say, compared to "just don't give a fuck" -- but he's never been the most fluid guy.) but in terms of his persona, his obsessions, his whole demented-cartoon thing, i think he's pretty well his own thing. the idea that he was just taking run-of-the-mill hip-hop stuff and giving it a peroxide bath i think seriously undersells his imagination.

(and i'm not putting down "just don't give a fuck," he made the cartoony stilted cadences work for his own purposes.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4J-xFMO-vM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eminem

arrested development > am0n

kd lang = gabbneb

pff eminem wuz great before he started takin himself so srsly. bonnie n clyde man bonnie n clyde

in retrospect, eminem was pretty good, pretty overrated and unfairly hated, all at once

calling his albums 'masterpieces' always sounds ridiculous. they were just as flawed as any records put out by rappers that folks around here ignore

I think deej is pretty much on it, here. I loathe him but recognize his talent, I just think he mostly wasted it - but I'm a cornie indie rap fuxxor. Which for me means I hate his voice and never was feeling Dre's Chronic 2001 and after production.

Feel free to point out that I think Talib Kweli used to be really, really good and therefore my opinions are null and void.

never liked much of his stuff and found the critical fawning and fanbase annoying. I guess a few of his singles are okay ("My Name Is", for ex.). But "Stan"? fuck that shit

can a mod please add "i'm white btw" to every post on this thread

you 35 and you still rappin? UHHHHH

-- The Brainwasher, Friday, July 18, 2008 12:36 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Link

i always thought the marilyn manson of rap cult that surrounded him was wacky as fuck and good for lols but you can stack these 6 up with any consecutive 6 singles by any artist this decade and that's more than enough for me

"My Name Is"
"Guilty Conscience" (feat. Dr. Dre)
"Bitch Please II" (feat. Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Xzibit, & Nate Dogg)
"The Real Slim Shady"
"The Way I Am"
"Stan" (feat. Dido)

Bitch Please II is so amazing

cuz you don't really wanna fuck with me
only nigga that i trust is me
fuck around and make me bust this heat........

You got the munchies
Look at you, junk-food junkie
Potato chips and lunchmeat
Up in the front seat

can a mod please add "i'm white btw" to every post on this thread

uh

just a bit of fun, be cool

alternately: jokes, bruv

I like Eminem, but I also like Princess Superstar...

Ask me a question, I love to lie, hey look girl is that Jimi Hendrix?
'Scuse me while I kiss your guy
Everyone tells me I'm the female Eminem, well all I'm gonna talk about is getting fucked up the ass then
Don't be mad Em I'm just playin, I wish I had a Dr. Dre and sold out shows,
One million white faces in Dayton

Wow, is there ever some crazy talk on this thread, especially early on. Thanks to HOOS, deeznuts, John D., and gabbneb, et al, for righting the ship.

the best stuff on Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, and a few later tracks ("My Dad's Gone Crazy") was dense, funny, smart,conflicted, and fascinating then and no different now.

I mean, Marshall Mathers LP is surefire Album of the Decade contender.

Whoa I tried to read this thread but it got a bit long. Crazy stuff in here.

I always liked Em's voice, it's got way more character and appeal to me than a lotta rappers out there. His flows are great. The hooks are obnoxious, he's totally snotty, beats are catchy and often sorta ridiculous...I think he's awesome.

A scattershot of otms for j0hn, hoos, neb, nuts, (like Hubie was sayin)

i don't got that bad of a mouth do I
fuck shit ass bitch cunt shoobadeedoowhop
Ohh, skibadeebeebop, christopher reeves
sonny bono, skis, horses, and hittin some trees....

awesome album

The guy's a character and massively entertaining.

"You know why Dre's record was so successful? He's rapping about big-screen TVs, blunts, 40s, and bitches. You're rapping about homosexuals and Vicodin. I can't sell this shit."

My English teacher wanted TO DEFLONT ME IN JUNIOR HIGH
THANKS ALONT NEXT SEMESTER I WILL BE 35

JAZZ HANDS!
http://www.thewhitepapers.com/eminem%20-%20not%20so%20fast.jpg

Then EM SHOW came out. I totally hate that record save maybe "White America" and :"Business" and maybe one other song.

Square Dance is one of my faves of his

otm tho, rest of that album kinda sux

loved his diss tracks on the Source and Benzino during that whole feud

"The Sauce" and uh what was the other one. forgot the title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuZuiKr85Vs

what's that image in white america about being surrounded or something that really cut deep
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