the problem with all of prince's stuff from the 90s on is that i think he fundamentally misunderstands what made him great at one time.
he's a great minimalist that thinks he's a maximalist.
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 26 February 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
eh he's done some good minimalist stuff since the 90s - Black Sweat, for ex.
― dead clown handjob (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 February 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
but yeah I agree that in general he's better when he's doing less
Am I crazy or has Prince benn listening to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch#v=CXCiS2FpmIc&feature=related
― mottdeterre, Friday, 26 February 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
― dead clown handjob (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, February 26, 2010 5:44 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
black sweat....and....black sweat...and..um...black sweat ; )
j.k. but yeah that's the only song i've heard in years i thought was GOOD good not just "hey this is pretty good for prince now, i guess"
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 26 February 2010 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link
i can't listen to this at work but it's probably for the best.
it's funny, i just listened to mplsound again and thought it wasn't that bad (if you have no expectations except for dad-prince).
― rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Friday, 26 February 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
oh what the fuck
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link
like I could put up with the verse and I could put up with the chorus, but not both together in the same song; that is exactly the wrong thing to do, dude
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link
i should do a poll, this song versus his vikings playoff song, which sounded like the work of a slightly deranged lutheran church choir director
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:07 (fourteen years ago) link
at least the Vikings playoff song was awesome in its insanity; this is boring, mild-mannered shit that thinks it's shit-hot
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link
replace lutheran w/ witness and you just about summarized prince 2010
― I'm so 3000-and-8080 (The Reverend), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link
title tracks of musicology and 3121 were pretty good and stripped down imho. there was some other track on musicology that I liked but I'm blanking on it at the moment... but yeah his hit-to-miss ratio is pretty sad.
― dead clown handjob (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link
its weird how humorless his recorded output has become. dude was funny as hell when I saw him um... 10 years ago
― dead clown handjob (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean, when even the people who defended The Rainbow Children are like "yo this is hot trash" it's time to reconsider your artistic vision
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Hey, I really like The Rainbow Children!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
I do, too! This is bullshit tho
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Prince has been churning out the doo doo for a good long time now. Last thing I really liked by him was that "P=Funk" track. He's creatively bankrupt IMHO.
― François de Roobabe (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link
How Prince managed to lose it this badly makes a pretty great case for contracts, editorial guidance, et al.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean - he's always crammed as much as he could get away with into his songs and it usually worked. Probably because they were songs. Stuff like this new track just makes my eyes glaze over.
― François de Roobabe (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link
uh, this is a song, it's just not a very good one
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link
― François de Roobabe (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, February 26, 2010 6:41 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i disagree what is "crammed in" to, say "Kiss" or "When Doves Cry"?
both those songs are prince at his best....a peculiar, brittle minimal digital funk.
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link
The problem with that statement is that Prince at his best is not only "Kiss", "Alphabet St", "Housequake" and "When Doves Cry"; it's also "1999", "I Wanna Be Ur Lover", "Mountains" and "Gett Off".
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link
i think we may have different tastes in prince....
still i don't see those songs as being particularly busy or overstuffed like recent stuff
(though full disclosure: last album i heard was the one my wife got free when she went to a concert...it seemed just "fine" in the same way i guess like a new mark knophler solo album would seem to a dire straits fan)
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link
OK, I'm 36 seconds in and it's already been like 10 different songs, WTF? So the intro stuff, and then when the big power chords and organ and I'm like, "Is he doing, like, a Boston album?" Then the other guitar groove kicks in and I'm thinking, "OK, ok, this could be like an updated version of 'Dirty Mind'-era shit," but then it started sucking. Does it get better? Do I click "Play" again?
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link
answers to your last questions are "no" and "no"
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Too late.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
This is why we can't have nice things.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh, god, the guitar solo. That is the worst guitar tone I've ever heard on a Prince song. AND NOW ACOUSTIC GUITAR OH JESUS MAKE IT STOP.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Thank you, Prince, for pooping in my ears today. It made me appreciate good music even more.
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:22 (fourteen years ago) link
just for reference, here's prince's vikings song
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/21/prince-vikings-song-audio_n_432433.html
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
at least with that, I had a desire to play it 7 times in a row (largely because I couldn't believe wtf it was I was hearing)
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link
but the extended version of "kiss" is just as wacky and overstuffed as nu-prince. "when doves cry" has gospel vocals, neo-classical keyboard breaks, guitar solos, etc, but it's a great song and all that stuff elevates it even more.
― rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link
ok y'all i give...i guess i just thought saying lots of classic prince jams were minimal was like ac/dc has loud guitars but i retract my statement (also i'm not the hugest prince fan to begin with)
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Prince used to be able to make minimal maximal.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link
and maximal minimal?
― rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't know what's sadder, the fact that this song exists or the fact that lots of people on the "Tell us what you think" link are praising it.
― Fetchboy, Friday, 26 February 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Prince's diehard fans are pretty diehard.
― mark roflr (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link
if I could hack that link and replace it with a copy of T-99's "Anesthesia", I would
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess I'm a pretty diehard fan - I will even tell you a couple of things on "Planet Earth" are worth your time - but even I couldn't defend this. Or that Vikings tune.
― François de Roobabe (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 26 February 2010 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link
this new song sounds like hes just recording for recordings sake even more than usual, but i kinda like it just to see how bad hes really gotten. i wish he would stop doing these 'message' type songs where he thinks hes making some really important point. the structure is sort of like two 3 chains of golds packed into one.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 26 February 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link
oh god. I'm really doing myself a favor by avoiding this, aren't I?
― The Reverend, Friday, 26 February 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I will even tell you a couple of things on "Planet Earth" are worth your time
this seems to be the pattern more often than not with his post-90s material - there will be one or two tracks that are clever/engaging/remind you why he was so great, and then the rest is just crap. the weirdest thing to me is that his ear for production and composition just seems to have gotten steadily shittier and shittier. like he doesn't actually know what a good guitar or drum sound is anymore, he just has too many hi-tech toys that he's busy fooling around with. dude's aesthetic standards are shot.
― mark roflr (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 February 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I think this minimal=good, maximal=bad division is bogus. Prince has done a lot of great maximal songs, like "Mountains", "Alphabet St.", "Sexy MF", "Gett Off", "Joint 2 Joint", "Gold", the 12 inch mix of "I Wish U Heaven", "Pink Cashmere", "Paisley Park", etc. And some of his minimal stuff is pretty boring, like half of Batman and Come. This new song is bad, but that's just because he wrote a bad song, not because every maximal thing he does is awful and every minimal thing good.
― Tuomas, Friday, 26 February 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
you have a strange definition of "maximal"
not that that's in any way surprising
― mark roflr (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 February 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean, Alphabet St...? WTF that song has one drum loop, some chicken scratch guitar, slap bass, a guitar solo, a bunch of vocals and a few synth horn stabs. and structurally it has one verse that repeats throughout the entire song.
― mark roflr (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 February 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
this song is like an ipod shuffle type song
but its entertainingly bad/funny in a oh god can he really have gotten this bad sort of way
almost endearingly bad
"he doesn't actually know what a good guitar or drum sound is anymore, he just has too many hi-tech toys that he's busy fooling around with. dude's aesthetic standards are shot."
otm
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 26 February 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link
oddly this level of crap almost makes me love prince even more
never going to see him live anymore though
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 26 February 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link
― mark roflr (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, February 26, 2010 2:29 PM Bookmark
I was thinking just a moment ago that "Alphabet St." is maximalist in the way that Basement Jaxx are. There are tons of weird details tucked away into corners that don't hugely announce themselves and aren't necessarily going on all at the same time, but add up to dozens of different elements appearing over the course of the song.
― The Reverend, Friday, 26 February 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link
WTF is Prince using MS Songsmith now?
lolllllllllllllllll
This song isn't bad imo but it is extremely silly.
― A Memorable Fancy (Abbott), Friday, 26 February 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link
if it is maximalist, his old stuff is not maximalist in the "sounds like 12 jacked up high school bands' top song on myspace thrown in a blender"
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 26 February 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link
assless chaps or GTFO ;)
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 20:09 (one week ago) link
Should mention, the first show is from January 30, 1982 at the Capitol Theatre.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 14 May 2024 20:09 (one week ago) link
Prince on American Bandstand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krEXzOEsP9I
DICK CLARK MADE HIM WEAR PANTS
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 20:29 (one week ago) link
The further we get from it the more 80s Prince feels like a miracle, an impossible thing
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 21:16 (one week ago) link
Here's the "Partyup" from SNL, which is actually live, unlike the Midnight Special and Bandstand performances.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/TdDTtEYLRZd42znK/?mibextid=oFDknk
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 21:26 (one week ago) link
ah here's the Ritz show, assless chaps start at 17:44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x1P84W5fa8
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 21:58 (one week ago) link
Technically, all chaps are assless
― Millennium Falco (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 23:45 (one week ago) link
pedantry
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 00:20 (one week ago) link
That guitar solo at 42:30 is worth a few minutes of your time.
― enochroot, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 01:53 (one week ago) link
wow at that Ritz video!
― Bertold Brak (bendy), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 13:26 (one week ago) link
holy shit i don't think wow quite covers it but yes wow at that ritz video!
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 16 May 2024 13:40 (one week ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGm-2UTjacY
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 May 2024 04:38 (seven hours ago) link