Which are the T Swift songs that involve fairies, goblins, elves, trolls, giants or gnomes? That's more like some Finnish metal shit right there.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 4 March 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
conversely a lot of the anti-taylor snideness here and elsewhere strikes me as almost-not-at-all veiled contempt for the idea that teenage blonde girls could have anything at all to say.
I don't see why it's even snobby to suggest that your average suburban teenage girl who hasn't finished high school isn't going to have a ton of interesting insights into the world. most of her songwriting ideas seem to come from MTV movies. there's zero depth (musically or lyrically) to any of this stuff and I mean, it's not her fault or anything - people shouldn't be looking for it. reading things in the taylor swift tea leaves is just sorta sad - the absurdist taylor swift analysis paragraphs say more about ilx than they do about her.
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
ever heard an English/Film Theory/etc... major?
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Thursday, 4 March 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't know really what "lyrical depth" entails, but taylor swift's best songs seem honest and clear in a way that goes well beyond cliché. and i mean, not all her songs are her best ones, and she obviously uses plenty of clichés, and even some of my favorites of hers i like more for the tune and the vibe than the words per se. but if songs like "fifteen" and "the best day" don't seem artful and true to you, then i dunno. maybe you just have different ideas about artful and true.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 March 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
or something like "our song," which is just zippy and fun but has a clever little lyrical device in the chorus.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link
What type of music do you like, iatee and Lamp?
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link
lamp has really good taste
― HOOM gang (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Not questioning that. I'm just.asking.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
uh, my itunes top played artists are john cale, smog, jacques brel and the beach boys. have at me.
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link
seriously if Rilo Kiley could write even one song even 10% as enjoyable as anything on Fearless i'd be pretty surprised.
― Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link
You haven't even attempted to discuss this on the basis of her music, it's "teenage music shouldn't be taken seriously". Why should you be taken seriously?
― abcfsk, Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't see why it's even snobby to suggest that your average suburban teenage girl who hasn't finished high school isn't going to have a ton of interesting insights into the world.
She's 20 years old and got her high school diploma in 2008. Not that that necessarily impacts the point you're trying to make, I guess, but still. And not to make untoward comparisons, but, like, John Lennon wrote "In My Life" when he was 25, you know?
Well, this is just nonsense.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
do we really need to bring sockpuppets into this discussion xp
we've been discussing nothing *but* the basis of her music
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm only a casual Taylor Swift fan (enjoy the singles, can't be bothered to pay $ for the album and hear the other songs) but this is the most OTM thing I've seen on this thread all week.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
iatee, you are a fucking retard.
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
wikipedia says: 'In July 2008, Swift graduated from the Aaron Academy, a Christian school in Hendersonville, Tennessee, which offers a home-schooling program'
haha sounds like she was trying to get into the UT football program
John Lennon wrote "In My Life" when he was 25, you know?
is your point 'young people can write good songs'? that's not being debated. but 'in my life' doesn't sound like a song that was limited by the author's limited experience w/ this world. 'you belong with me' does.
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
When he was 18, he wrote "Lve Me Do."
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
can't wait for taylor's revolution no.9
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Is that something to be proud of?
Serious question, not trolling. Taylor has written better songs than "Love Me Do."
xpost
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link
liking taylor swift isn't that hard
man if only we could have a taste as great as iatee, think of all the complicated music we could appreciate
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
so you're saying...there's music more complex than taylor swift? do tell!
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe so, maybe not, but it's not contingent on the writer being your average suburban teenage girl who hasn't finished high school.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
so glad we're finally comparing taylor swift to the beatles
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
after her next album comes out and it's more of the same, except a little worse and you guys get bored.
<3 music that "progresses"
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
No, I was trying to make a point about how ""Love me do isnt that great of a song, ut Lennon grew, whereas TSwift has written a beast like "Forever and Always" it is fine musical craftsmanship
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link
xpostand of course her next album definitely could be more of the same but not as good, and it might be boring. but fearless will still sound great.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Also, I've only heard the singles off of "Fearless," but, like, the sudden Rilo Kiley slagging is baffling to me. I enjoy "Wires and Waves," "Silver Lining," "I Never" and "Breaking Up" at least as much as anything Taylor Swift has ever done.
xxp
See, this is a strawman, which is why I said I didn't want to make untoward comparisons. You're the one who brought up her (incorrect) age and the (incorrect) fact that she's in high school. If you don't want people to engage with dumb fucking arguments, don't make them.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link
so sorry I said she was in high school when she really graduated from some online christian diploma mill?
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link
i need my artists to 'speak to me'.
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
lyrical depth is v important to me
i am an altbro. we are all altbros
I think I broke k3vin k :(
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't know really what "lyrical depth" entails, but taylor swift's best songs seem honest and clear in a way that goes well beyond cliché.
idk i think "lyrical depth" requires a distance & nuance that a 20 yo or 18yo or w/e the fuck she was when she wrote those songs doesnt really have. or at least that she doesnt. like the song abt her rad family & getting malts & car rides cuz sum1 made fun of her ratface in junior high - i can see liking that songs blatant emotionalism but its too str8 forward and unalloyed to be "deep" or really worthy of much thought. its a nice song & its p catchy but its entirely flat. i mean mb u can read something in the irony of a teenager posing her past self as unknowing (the bit abt the leaves) or w/e but... its 2 much.
― (Head) (Lamp), Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
lamp you are the man but i pretty much disagree with every point you just made there. maybe we should all just take a step back
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
seriously if Rilo Kiley could write even one song even 10% as enjoyable...
Oh come on. That's silly.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean at least i am going to. i feel like i'm arguing with sarah palin
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Carole King wrote "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" when she was 18. Stevie Wonder wrote "Uptight" when he was 16. Age is a red herring here, folks. If you want to argue there's something inherent about Swift particularly, that's fine, but falling back on ZOMG SHE'S A TEENAGER WHAT COULD SHE POSSIBLY KNOW ABOUT LIFE will get you exactly noplace.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
wtf kinda sense does that make, you listen to the sarah palin of music
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
carole king and stevie wonder didn't limit their subject matter to songs about being a teenager. her age comes up because it's all she fucking sings about.
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i think we're the sarah palin in this equation, kev
― HOOM gang (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
uh, my itunes top played artists are john cale, smog, jacques brel and the beach boys
Hey, how about those deep, meaningful, engaged-with-the-world lyrics Mike Love and Brian Wilson wrote when they were 19 and 20 amirite?
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
if carole king wrote 'will you still love me after 3rd period' and stevie wonder wrote 'uptight: about homework I don't want to do', people might like those songs less
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
taylor should cover porpoise song imo
― he often deploys multiple browsers and constantly replies to himself (velko), Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
i think age gets brought up so much w/r/t to t.swift because a) she mentions it all the time ihs b) most of themes are articulated in p teenage way and c) theres a p omnipresent teenage quality to her music - its brash emotionalism & its immediacy &c - that makes it hard to avoid talking abt.
i mean this is more time than i ever wanted to spend thinking abt taylor swift so w/e its all subjective.
oh & my most played album in itunes is nachtstrom's 17 songs after midnight. so yeah
― (Head) (Lamp), Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
haha beach boys lyrics are awful, even when they're good! they had some other things going for em. taylor swift don't.
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link
― iatee, Thursday, March 4, 2010 5:09 PM (5 minutes ago)
these rappers only rap about "pimpin and bitches"
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Dude, she's a teenage girl. Teenage girls tend to lead pretty insular lives. I'm okay with her sticking to that for now, because she does it pretty well.
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link
those guys aren't rappers, you should prolly listen to more old music kev xp
― iatee, Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Next people are going to me telling me that I should check out Metric for some really intense female songwriting with depth, as i'm just fronting with this enjoying things that are obviously good business. Confusing place ILM.
― Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link
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― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link