pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

yeah but the new puritans has that, sounds like

Similar to contemporaries Sigur Rós, Nico Muhly, and Joanna Newsom, These New Puritans challenge classical and popular value distinctions by fully integrating a 13-piece orchestra. A clutch of melodic motifs and variations weave through Hidden, keeping the song set extremely tight and aesthetically cohesive, so when "Orion"'s rabid beats and gothic choir feed into orchestral palette cleanser "Canticle", the transition is fluid and unpretentious.

listening to These New Puritans for the first time

what in the world is this

ok i have the first tnp record and have heard one or two things from the new one and i'm not really sure if "mass appeal" on any level is a tag that could be applied to them

afaict they're like a this heat tribute band or something?

wait, this video was posted by Domino in 2007. maybe i should be listening to something newer of theirs

pitchfork gave the knife electropera 6.9 which reveals them as the play-safe populist menks they've almost always been tbh

only heard 'we want war' from the TNP album; it's pretty good imo

why is the person who's mad about the choices of pfork's 'best new music' section also making fun of pfork readers?

Similar to contemporaries Sigur Rós, Nico Muhly, and Joanna Newsom

Do not agree with this assessment one bit.

ksh, start here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIfKqgWPVvk

why is the person who's mad about the choices of pfork's 'best new music' section also making fun of pfork readers?

A) I'm not mad, just pointing out the disconnect between ratings and BNM tags.

B) Not making fun of Pfork readers (I am one!) so much as Pfork's characterization of what makes a record "revolutionary." Waiting for that Broken Bells review... never mind, I'll stop there?

afaict they're like a this heat tribute band or something?

That's about as close as you can get, in a sentence.

where did the word revolutionary come from?

ilxor, thanks. that song is much much better

where did the word revolutionary come from?

Whoops, meant "inventive" there.

The obvious distinction here is the rating is based on a range of factors related to the record itself; ie it's being judged as an entity of its own. Whereas the "best new music" rating looks at the field of "new music" and picks out the "best"; ie each record is being judged compared against all of the others considered new and music. Ie maybe the New Puritans album got an 8.2 rating in part because it's an improvement on their other album(s?) but it still sounds pretty boring compared with the Liars album so the Liars album is the best of the new music. If this dissonance upsets you than you clearly have a simple and overly linear mind.

it's not math

i think you're overcomplicating a simple thing but ok

imo a 2 should be actively, horribly unpleasant or so devoid of content/merit that it barely registers, not something that's fairly similar to but not as good as a 6.8 record it's following up

eeeeh one is a kickass, complex full-band art-pop record (albeit w/ slightly crap mixing), the other is an abortive albumlong attempt at dancerock w/ shitty drum machines and ending with an agonizing cover. I'm kind of shocked that it's so thoroughly shitty. (I do like the past lives record a lot though.)

If this dissonance upsets you than you clearly have a simple and overly linear mind.

?????

basically having BNM be separate from rating allows them to position the album along two different axes

pitchfork is dumb thread is dumb (#349858567898765 in a series.)

what effect do you guys think P4k's font choice has on the indie community?

well for one thing it put a lotta serif-loving graphic design kids outta work

font-family:"Lucida Grande",Arial,Verdana

what a disaster for Times New Roman

;_;

kinda sad this thread is turning into Rolling Quibbling Over Every Word and Number Published by Pitchfork 2010 tbh. liked it better when it was just intermittents wtf's.

quibbling about pitchfork is like yawning about architecture

I realize the ratings are pretty much trivial, and I'm not bashing either record (enjoy both), but how does this *really* make any sense?? I think there have been other cases of maybe Baroness, Converge or someone too un-Pfork-y scoring in the 8.5 realm and not making Best New Music... what gives?

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this is probably the most embarrassing post on a message board where people often use florid prose to describe bouts with crossdressing and giving handjobs to their british roomates

don't associate us with the vile acts of l0u1s jagg3r

too obvious but i still lol'd

this is probably the most embarrassing post on a message board where people often use florid prose to describe bouts with crossdressing and giving handjobs to their british roomates come to laugh at other people on the Internet while taking a break from the thankless, underpaid, overwhelmingly stressful "job" of "brainstorming" over their next 140-character-or-less "critical" "album" "review"

that only describes like 5 people on this site

I didn't know Whiney's ego was that big...

talking about pitchfork album scores is ilx taboo for a good reason, ilxor. i'm sure there is a 1000+ post thread on stereogum about it you can consult if you really need to flesh this out. it's pretty obvious on an instinctive common sense level that individual album scores are submitted by their respective reviewers and BNM is like, staff picks or editor's favourites. i don't understand what is controversial or worth discussing about it.

HI DERE

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I realize it's not really worth discussing, now it's just fun to watch people get all worked up about Pfork and people talking about Pfork and it just becomes spectacular. Not my intention when I first posted above but hey...

ok so youre saying you caught shit for your post but it's cool because you stumbled into trolling?

So is Whiney the comic book guy of this website?

ok so youre saying you caught shit for your post but it's cool because you stumbled into trolling?

tbh I don't see how that position makes him any different from over half of the regular posters here

calling you retarded =/= getting worked up about pfork

xp that may be true, i didn't know it worked like that! maybe i should say dumber shit here.

just do what i do kid

- I realize the ratings are pretty much trivial, and I'm not bashing either record (enjoy both), but how does this *really* make any sense?? I think there have been other cases of maybe Baroness, Converge or someone too un-Pfork-y scoring in the 8.5 realm and not making Best New Music... what gives?

- I'm not mad, just pointing out the disconnect between ratings and BNM tags.

Well of course they're disconnected: they're two different things. If everything above an 8.x was automatically BNM, what would the point of BNM be? It wouldn't tell you anything at all.

I mean, I would type out a whole lengthy explanation, but a lot of this has been said by n/a. My understanding as a (minor) contributor is that you should think of it this way: ratings represent close attention to individual records by individual critics. BNM represents the site's staff looking over everything and picking out a set of records that they can solidly recommend to the audience as a whole as being notable and great. It's like a "featured" rack. A "maybe start by directing your attention here" pointer. A "we don't expect you to read every single review, so here's the stuff we're pretty confident you might find rewarding" shortlist.

I mean, if a stranger who'd never heard any of your records asked you to pick out 10 albums you'd recommend listening to, would they really be the same as the records you'd rate highest when talking about each one individually? It certainly wouldn't be for me.

I would type out a whole lengthy explanation, but

I'm on the Internet today.

Expressing curiosity about how Pitchfork works isn't always equal to getting worked up about it. Getting worked up about someone supposedly getting worked up about Pitchfork seems way more pointless though many do that to ironically prove they are somehow cooler/above it?

wait aren't you getting worked up about someone getting worked up about someone supposedly getting worked up about pitchfork

this is all going to end like "Event Horizon" where Satan makes us all eat our own eyes, isn't it

this would be the thread for it

fwiw dude got multiple sincere answers; but ask a q abt p4k and you better expect a bunch of b- zings imo

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