Lady Gaga needs her own thread

Speaking about the 'Telephone' video - which you can see here - Gaga revealed she was inspired by Tarantino when making the clip.

wow, really?

http://techpolicy.typepad.com/iamadamsmith/11-12-02-pwagon.jpg

never would have guessed!

i believe they mean she literally got the idea from QT in a conversation she had w/ him

she can't dance, she can't act and she has those cold dead eyes but she has written some great songs (although, i don't think this is one of them). the thing that really irritates me about her is her complete lack of style, only a kind of desperation to have an effect and she's do anything to have some kind of impact. this is her at her most desperate - smoking cigarette shades? it doesn't even make any sense.

she'll

smoking cigarette shades? it doesn't even make any sense.

this is probably going to be my favorite statement of the week

"smoking cigarette shades?"

These are like T. Rex lyrics.

haha

I agree that Gaga outclasses Beyonce in this video and I like unperson's idea that this collab was Gaga's idea, sort of her showing the world that Beyonce is two thousand and LATE

This isn't the first time someone in this thread has tried to make a case for Beyonce being passe while saying Gaga is NEW or really an original, and that's just silly.

Beyonce's always been a touch weird, though, stuff like her outfits in the "Videophone" vid definitely feel like her trying to keep up w/ Gaga (although Gaga trying to sing on that beat and do B's dance moves comes off far worse), but stuff like the robot hand in "Single Ladies" was pre-Gaga

guys, Beyonce had been crazy for years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY_mrU8MPfI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArDXxTsJJoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGkvXp0vdng&feature=PlayList&p=253BDB743FE1C3C8

yeah kinda O_o abt ppl thinking gaga shows beyonce up as being safe

for one thing, of the phone collabs videophone is a lot weirder than telephone, EVEN THE NAME IS MORE FUTURISTIC

remember when ppl thought she was mentally ill after the video for deja vu?

haha I was about to go there next

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ9BWndKEgs&NR=1

like for real, what the hell is going on here

Beyonce has natural idiosyncrasies, while Gaga is, well, probably watching old Warhol films right now and taking notes on her laptop.

oh don't get me wrong, the fact that Beyonce has been crazy for years does not make Lady Gaga any less crazy herself; I'm just saying this isn't a competition, rather it's like attracting like

It does in general seem weird to me, remember when the Gaga antipathy on this board was because she really didn't seem or sound that weird, I mean she arrived onto a pop landscape post britney-chaotic, the chris brown/rihanna nightmare soap opera "Sasha Fierce" etc. Her "art-pop performance" felt so safe next to Britney's meta-meltdown, her narrative so stage-managed compared Rihanna's, her persona the kind of thing Beyonce could do and nobody would really notice. I mean I thought I was towing the ILM concensus line in saying that I only came round to her when I could see past all that, when her (imo) two best singles (paparazzi and bad romance) made me reconsider that Let's dance was in hindsight pretty awesome if you can ignore for one minute all the "subversive intertextuality" or whatever we're calling having a couple of tarantino refs in ur music video this week. But if we're going on the music, she definitely hasn't released anything as strange sounding or, well, awesome, as Single Ladies, Hard or Break the Ice. Like she's a great popstar, and I like what she's bringing to the table, esp the things she says in interviews which are really nice and sweet abt pop music being an enabling and potentially liberating experience, and the way that she has a style that is both flamboyant and outrageous, but also kinda halloween costume-ready is pretty great. It just seems plain wrong to accept her own rhetoric the way I kinda feel like is happening a little on this thread now.

yea the idea of gaga outclassing beyonce is retarded

I always thought she was crazy and a decent singer, and I really liked "Let's Dance" when it first came out except for the dumb-as-balls bridge; she lost me with "Poker Face" but got me back with "Lovegame". I think it's only recently that she's been able to get away with being totally as weird as she wants to be, starting with how fascinated everyone was with the "Paparazzi" video and her thinking "oh good, this WON'T hurt my sales if I just act really weird and arty, I can finally do a video in lace panties with tape on my nipples".

But if we're going on the music, she definitely hasn't released anything as strange sounding or, well, awesome, as Single Ladies, Hard or Break the Ice.

the only thing i agree with her is that Break the Ice can kick any song's ass.

The whole thing about gaga is that her composition treads the line between weird and incredibly poppy more than most. and it's odd that you like her interviews, plax, which are sadly full of shit - i don't think anyone here is "accepting her rhetoric" as much as groaning to admit that she's got a fuckload of talent.

*agree with here

I still think it's weird that people hate "Telephone" so much, tbh.

the song? is fucking way more awesome than single ladies or hard, and one of my favorite songs of the year, definitely.

she can't dance, she can't act and she has those cold dead eyes but she has written some great songs (although, i don't think this is one of them). the thing that really irritates me about her is her complete lack of style, only a kind of desperation to have an effect and she's do anything to have some kind of impact. this is her at her most desperate - smoking cigarette shades? it doesn't even make any sense.

― jed_, Monday, March 15, 2010 2:26 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

i actually disagree with this whole post. i think she dances well enough for her videos, i think her cold, dead style of acting is appropriate for the music and her style, which i think she has a lot of, however stupid it may seem at times.

the song? is fucking way more awesome than single ladies

ok now that's nonsense

"hard" isn't in nearly the same league as "single ladies" or "bad romance" or those other songs you mentioned. otherwise dope post plax

i think i pretty much agree 100% with your take on her surm, but I saw a clip of her on Jonathan Ross, and she was talking abt how her shows are really extravagant, but that at the end of it she really just wanted the spectacle to be a catalyst for coming to the show and meeting other ppl, that she was kindof initiating a scene more than being the focal point for one. I mean you can say its horseshit, but its a nice idea nonetheless, and it kinda resonates with the amt of gay teens i saw that dressed up as her for halloween last year. I mean her message is a positive one, just not a partic radical one.

xxp yea let's dance to single ladies with a bunch of women on the dance floor and get our hands up in the air ONE MORE TIME shall we

i understand the validity of some of her ideas, plax, definitely - but i think stating tjat you value her self-fulfilling, after-school-special ideas on pop art above the songs she's penned is more wrong than anything else.

haha i def see ur point, and yeah I wouldn't have any interest in what she says at all if i didn't think that she's released some great songs, also I know ur a bigger fan than I am so

she can't act

The stilted line deliveries in the Telephone vid are intentional, I would think.

they are

well, plax, i think the main difference between u and me is that i do actually think most of the songs on "fame monster" approach the next-level brilliance of Break The Ice.

*approach being the key word

yeah that is probably a big difference between our take then!

"Break The Ice" is kind of boring, though.

says the man who likes LoveGame

guys, be truthful: how genuinely 'weird' or 'arty' is the music of lady gaga

louis

No one said her music was weird or arty; keep up

guys, be truthful: how genuinely 'weird' or 'arty' is the music of lady gaga the cardiacs

those kinda politics dont wash here

try reading the actual thread and responding to what people are saying as opposed to skimming for buzzwords that you can use as a basis for a devastating logistical takedown

sorry, "beatdown"

The stilted line deliveries in the Telephone vid are intentional, I would think.

well, yes. i'm not saying her acting is bad because her delivery is stilted. stilted line delivery and complete lack of emotion can constitute good acting (someone like candy darling being a good example of that) but even on those terms i find it unsuccesful.

i am not trying to take her down, but to me she seems like a popstar who makes normal pop and does weird things, whereas lines like

The whole thing about gaga is that her composition treads the line between weird and incredibly poppy more than most.

seem to give undue credit to her musical range

but yeah, proceed, it's not my place to call you guys. lette the mynne talke of gagge

LJ

stop calling
stop calling
I don't wanna talk anymore

lj that sentence you quoted doesn't call the music "weird" per se, it's saying it's on the line b/w weird/arty and poppy. which i'd agree with