Lady Gaga needs her own thread

lol

i love gaga's repeated references to red wine. i don't know why exactly. it's a really refreshing alternative to the Patron name-drop.

you know that the one in "Let's Dance" is actually her saying "Red One", aka the name of the producer

and actually the rest of them may be "Red One" as well, I can't think of any of them in her other singles so I don't know for sure

just realised this song is called Just Dance

haha I've done that like 500 times over the past 2 days, oops

omg really!? that's disappointing, i really liked it as "red wine." so i guess it's just "so happy i could die" then? :/

she's definitely talkin bout some red wine in "so happy i could die," and i do love that line. i like imagining her sipping on wine. so proper.

i love how ur correcting surm on lyrics to a song u don't know the name of!

and actually the rest of them may be "Red One" as well, I can't think of any of them in her other singles so I don't know for sure

she's definitely talkin bout some red wine in "so happy i could die," and i do love that line. i like imagining her sipping on wine. so proper.

"Happy in the club with a bottle o' red wine..."

okay, um Teeth is unbelievable

SHOW ME UR TEEF

http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/big_yawning_cat_with_sharp_teeth.jpg

finally watched this video with my bf after so many people talking about it and my bf pointed out that both the song and the video are reminiscent of the rambling of an eight year old when they make up little songs- the whole "and there there was a prison and then they escape and then there was a diner and then they made sandwiches and there was a cell phone and this one girl and then more people and then they killed this other guy and then more people danced and then they ran away the end". And her songs are kind of a big mess too, one damn thing after another, one little earworm and then a verse and then another and then another and then another with no real cohesion, when you hear it you can practically see people pasting this shit together in ProTools. On a theoretical level, I kind of like the notion that messy, de-centered assemblages can be hugely popular. So if I was being theoreticall consistent with the qualities that I like in, say, seventeenth century prose or art brut then I *should* be into this. But I just find the actual experience of listening to Lady Gaga cringe-inducingly awful. I hate her singing voice, the sheer Broadway Sally "belter" thing she's doing just sounds terrible to me. The trashiness would be fine if it was cool trash but this just sucks imo. Which should probably just trigger a "ha ha, u old" reaction.

Plus the feeling that it's somehow mandatory for gay dudes to be down with this gives me a rash. It's just reminiscent of the way fags bought into Madonna in the 80s. She is our queen, bow down, etc. Fuck this shit.

okay, um Teeth is unbelievable

― plax (ico), Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:33 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you didn't know!!?

twice boiled cabbage is death OTM (although i love "bad romance" and do find it cohesive) what's more depressing is how ubiquitous this video will become and how it will be watched by young kids, young girls especially, and the messages it sends out are just depressing.

Plus the feeling that it's somehow mandatory for gay dudes to be down with this gives me a rash. It's just reminiscent of the way fags bought into Madonna in the 80s. She is our queen, bow down, etc. Fuck this shit.

Ugh, yes. QFT.

re: cabbage's post:

you're absolutely right that you can see the seams in the production of her music. it's messy, scrappy and maybe even lazy, and the subjective part is whether or not it all comes together somehow. obviously for you it doesn't. i think it comes together in one sad, manic moment of a girl sitting at the club bar, singing about the shit that just happened to her week: all of it - messy, ugly and valid in its stubbornness.

and with regard to her popularity, i totally understand the likeness to madonna in terms of scene appeal, but at some point, these things can be boiled down to just really liking the music. the shared bond that you perceive in mass reactions like this could be as simple as the notes she's hitting, as opposed to the scene she's repping.

and regarding young girls, i don't necessarily find this the right forum for discussion on female development, but that's just me.

shes got the fattest ass i would bone her butt so hard

she doesn't have a dick btw

lol @ u both

Michel Gondry says: 'Not interested'

http://www.movieline.com/2010/03/exclusive-music-video-pioneer-michel-gondry-on-lady-gaga-im-not-interested.php

Michel Gondry has made some of the most indelible music videos of all time for some of the biggest acts of the last two decades, including Radiohead, Björk, Foo Fighters, The White Stripes, Beck and even Paul McCartney and The Rolling Stones. So when Movieline caught up with him today to discuss his forthcoming documentary Thorn in the Heart, it seemed a great opportunity to feel him out on the new vanguard of the form: Lady Gaga, whose epic “Telephone” video has swept popular culture with a fury, frenzy and inspiration not seen since the glory days of which Gondry himself was a part. His response — which swept through genre monoliths from Michael Jackson to Madonna to Marilyn Manson — was unexpected to say the least.

“I’m not interested,” he said. “To me it’s like a form of Marilyn Manson. It’s hard for me to talk about it; I’ve seen a couple of videos of hers, and not for very long. I stop watching them each time because I don’t think there’s melodies. I’m sorry to be negative. Like I’m not a big fan of Madonna. I respect her very much, but unfortunately the videos didn’t help the music in the long run. Well, I guess it helped it to survive to the point where the video was irrelevant. So music has to find its own way, which is good for the music. It becomes smaller and more alive and it’s not as crazy, except for some R&B. To me, it’s just talking about the surface. I compare it to Marilyn Manson. The music to me is very expected. I don’t think there’s anything in the tone or the melody that makes me say, ‘Oh, there’s something going on.’

More on the article

pretty otm

I stop watching them each time because I don’t think there’s melodies

Like I’m not a big fan of Madonna

well indeed o_0

i mean no one actually says that unless they want to make a Point About Madonna (and what (they think) she "represents") right? if it's just about music, if u sit on their ass and tell me u don't love any of madonna's two DECADES' worth of classics, ur just flat-out lying

also it's pretty inane to say that madonna's videos didn't help her songs. give me a break.

i mostly agree with Gondry (still waiting to be knocked out by Gaga music-wise) but can't tell if he's saying Madonna's videos were always shit (false...and surely he loved Bedtime Story) or that they (over)compensated for "lack of melodies" or whatever (also false!). i wouldn't expect him to care about videos which lack clever visual tricks and gimmicks anyway.

it just seems like he's not focusing on anything in his commentary

Like I’m not a big fan of Madonna. I respect her very much, but unfortunately the videos didn’t help the music in the long run.

I don't get this. He was a huge fan of Michael Jackson, and even worked with Kylie. On what level are their videos more textured and important? MJ always had the bigger spectacle but Madonna's videos added something to the very meaning and perception of the song itself - Like A Prayer, Open Your Heart, Express Yourself, Deeper and Deeper, Bad Girl, Vogue etc. etc. etc.

yeah it's a completely bizarre argument !

if it's just about music, if u sit on their ass and tell me u don't love any of madonna's two DECADES' worth of classics, ur just flat-out lying

eh, I love lots of madonna's stuff but why does everyone have to?

no reason, of course. besides he doesn't say he doesn't like any of it he says he's not a big fan.

he also isn't making much sense

So music has to find its own way, which is good for the music. It becomes smaller and more alive and it’s not as crazy, except for some R&B. To me, it’s just talking about the surface. I compare it to Marilyn Manson. The music to me is very expected. I don’t think there’s anything in the tone or the melody that makes me say, ‘Oh, there’s something going on.’

what?

he doesn't like it

yea that's pretty much all that makes sense out of all that.

it sounds like all he's saying is "i don't like shock value"

or "i can't see beyond the shock value"

y'all know he says more in the rest of the article, right?

if people ask you things sometimes your answers don't really make much sense or you can't articulate them.

gondry trades in a kind of tweeness on the whole or a cute/surprising effect and, i would guess, doesn't really have an interest in the kind of vulgarity or "shock" that gaga goes for.

xp i think he's implying that like manson, gaga tried to be shocking or whatever but the music is boring so no dice

if people ask you things sometimes your answers don't really make much sense or you can't articulate them.

― jed_, Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:44 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes, i'm aware of that, thank you for clarifying.

it sounds like all he's saying is "i don't like shock value"

sounds about right to me and that's quite a decent view to hold.

xp np

i completely understand rejecting the pursuit of shock value, but i think sometimes people get caught up in the public reaction to the point that they reject work based on its reactionary aims as opposed to its aims as a piece of work.

the telephone video isn't bad bc it's shocking, it's bad bc it's unfocused.

also, jed, it's interesting that you take up this argument, given the fact that a lot of the performance art and dance you see could be described as work with a shock value agenda (for ex ann liv young). and i think you've agreed in the past that it's important to have these things on the spectrum, to broaden it at large.

the point being made, I think, is that shock without substance is useless

(the argument is happening because no one can agree on what "substance" actually is)

xposts but it is vulgar.

re his answers it's probably more like he's confused that someone is asking him why he's not making a lady gaga video (rather than asking him about his actual work) and doesn't really have a firm answer other than that it's not his thing. he's likely never been asked to do one anyway?

gondry otm

that's true HI DERE.

it's just funny to me. ann liv young is a performance artist who regularly strips naked onstage, sticks guns in her vagina and dryhumps things, yet i distinctly recall you singing her praises, jed. i guess there are a lot of different meanings of "substance"