she's definitely talkin bout some red wine in "so happy i could die," and i do love that line. i like imagining her sipping on wine. so proper.
― big (surm), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link
i love how ur correcting surm on lyrics to a song u don't know the name of!
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link
and actually the rest of them may be "Red One" as well, I can't think of any of them in her other singles so I don't know for sure
"Happy in the club with a bottle o' red wine..."
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link
okay, um Teeth is unbelievable
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
SHOW ME UR TEEF
http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/big_yawning_cat_with_sharp_teeth.jpg
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
finally watched this video with my bf after so many people talking about it and my bf pointed out that both the song and the video are reminiscent of the rambling of an eight year old when they make up little songs- the whole "and there there was a prison and then they escape and then there was a diner and then they made sandwiches and there was a cell phone and this one girl and then more people and then they killed this other guy and then more people danced and then they ran away the end". And her songs are kind of a big mess too, one damn thing after another, one little earworm and then a verse and then another and then another and then another with no real cohesion, when you hear it you can practically see people pasting this shit together in ProTools. On a theoretical level, I kind of like the notion that messy, de-centered assemblages can be hugely popular. So if I was being theoreticall consistent with the qualities that I like in, say, seventeenth century prose or art brut then I *should* be into this. But I just find the actual experience of listening to Lady Gaga cringe-inducingly awful. I hate her singing voice, the sheer Broadway Sally "belter" thing she's doing just sounds terrible to me. The trashiness would be fine if it was cool trash but this just sucks imo. Which should probably just trigger a "ha ha, u old" reaction.
Plus the feeling that it's somehow mandatory for gay dudes to be down with this gives me a rash. It's just reminiscent of the way fags bought into Madonna in the 80s. She is our queen, bow down, etc. Fuck this shit.
― twice boiled cabbage is death, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
― plax (ico), Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:33 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you didn't know!!?
― big (surm), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link
twice boiled cabbage is death OTM (although i love "bad romance" and do find it cohesive) what's more depressing is how ubiquitous this video will become and how it will be watched by young kids, young girls especially, and the messages it sends out are just depressing.
― jed_, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Ugh, yes. QFT.
― Turangalila, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link
re: cabbage's post:
you're absolutely right that you can see the seams in the production of her music. it's messy, scrappy and maybe even lazy, and the subjective part is whether or not it all comes together somehow. obviously for you it doesn't. i think it comes together in one sad, manic moment of a girl sitting at the club bar, singing about the shit that just happened to her week: all of it - messy, ugly and valid in its stubbornness.
and with regard to her popularity, i totally understand the likeness to madonna in terms of scene appeal, but at some point, these things can be boiled down to just really liking the music. the shared bond that you perceive in mass reactions like this could be as simple as the notes she's hitting, as opposed to the scene she's repping.
― big (surm), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link
and regarding young girls, i don't necessarily find this the right forum for discussion on female development, but that's just me.
― big (surm), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link
shes got the fattest ass i would bone her butt so hard
― :3 (cankles), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link
she doesn't have a dick btw
― The smile on my face, disguises the case, I bury the truth deep down in (ken c), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link
lol @ u both
― t(o_o)t (ENBB), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Michel Gondry says: 'Not interested'
http://www.movieline.com/2010/03/exclusive-music-video-pioneer-michel-gondry-on-lady-gaga-im-not-interested.php
Michel Gondry has made some of the most indelible music videos of all time for some of the biggest acts of the last two decades, including Radiohead, Björk, Foo Fighters, The White Stripes, Beck and even Paul McCartney and The Rolling Stones. So when Movieline caught up with him today to discuss his forthcoming documentary Thorn in the Heart, it seemed a great opportunity to feel him out on the new vanguard of the form: Lady Gaga, whose epic “Telephone” video has swept popular culture with a fury, frenzy and inspiration not seen since the glory days of which Gondry himself was a part. His response — which swept through genre monoliths from Michael Jackson to Madonna to Marilyn Manson — was unexpected to say the least.
“I’m not interested,” he said. “To me it’s like a form of Marilyn Manson. It’s hard for me to talk about it; I’ve seen a couple of videos of hers, and not for very long. I stop watching them each time because I don’t think there’s melodies. I’m sorry to be negative. Like I’m not a big fan of Madonna. I respect her very much, but unfortunately the videos didn’t help the music in the long run. Well, I guess it helped it to survive to the point where the video was irrelevant. So music has to find its own way, which is good for the music. It becomes smaller and more alive and it’s not as crazy, except for some R&B. To me, it’s just talking about the surface. I compare it to Marilyn Manson. The music to me is very expected. I don’t think there’s anything in the tone or the melody that makes me say, ‘Oh, there’s something going on.’
More on the article
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link
pretty otm
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I stop watching them each time because I don’t think there’s melodies
― TNTiger: we know sexy (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Like I’m not a big fan of Madonna
well indeed o_0
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean no one actually says that unless they want to make a Point About Madonna (and what (they think) she "represents") right? if it's just about music, if u sit on their ass and tell me u don't love any of madonna's two DECADES' worth of classics, ur just flat-out lying
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link
also it's pretty inane to say that madonna's videos didn't help her songs. give me a break.
― big (surm), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link
i mostly agree with Gondry (still waiting to be knocked out by Gaga music-wise) but can't tell if he's saying Madonna's videos were always shit (false...and surely he loved Bedtime Story) or that they (over)compensated for "lack of melodies" or whatever (also false!). i wouldn't expect him to care about videos which lack clever visual tricks and gimmicks anyway.
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
it just seems like he's not focusing on anything in his commentary
― big (surm), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Like I’m not a big fan of Madonna. I respect her very much, but unfortunately the videos didn’t help the music in the long run.
I don't get this. He was a huge fan of Michael Jackson, and even worked with Kylie. On what level are their videos more textured and important? MJ always had the bigger spectacle but Madonna's videos added something to the very meaning and perception of the song itself - Like A Prayer, Open Your Heart, Express Yourself, Deeper and Deeper, Bad Girl, Vogue etc. etc. etc.
― nevermind312, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah it's a completely bizarre argument !
― big (surm), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link
if it's just about music, if u sit on their ass and tell me u don't love any of madonna's two DECADES' worth of classics, ur just flat-out lying
eh, I love lots of madonna's stuff but why does everyone have to?
― original bgm, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link
no reason, of course. besides he doesn't say he doesn't like any of it he says he's not a big fan.
― jed_, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link
he also isn't making much sense
So music has to find its own way, which is good for the music. It becomes smaller and more alive and it’s not as crazy, except for some R&B. To me, it’s just talking about the surface. I compare it to Marilyn Manson. The music to me is very expected. I don’t think there’s anything in the tone or the melody that makes me say, ‘Oh, there’s something going on.’
what?
― big (surm), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link
he doesn't like it
― jed_, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link
yea that's pretty much all that makes sense out of all that.
― big (surm), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link
it sounds like all he's saying is "i don't like shock value"
or "i can't see beyond the shock value"
― big (surm), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link
y'all know he says more in the rest of the article, right?
― hobbes, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link
if people ask you things sometimes your answers don't really make much sense or you can't articulate them.
gondry trades in a kind of tweeness on the whole or a cute/surprising effect and, i would guess, doesn't really have an interest in the kind of vulgarity or "shock" that gaga goes for.
― jed_, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link
xp i think he's implying that like manson, gaga tried to be shocking or whatever but the music is boring so no dice
― hobbes, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link
― jed_, Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:44 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yes, i'm aware of that, thank you for clarifying.
― big (surm), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link
sounds about right to me and that's quite a decent view to hold.
― jed_, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link
xp np
― jed_, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link
i completely understand rejecting the pursuit of shock value, but i think sometimes people get caught up in the public reaction to the point that they reject work based on its reactionary aims as opposed to its aims as a piece of work.
the telephone video isn't bad bc it's shocking, it's bad bc it's unfocused.
― big (surm), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link
also, jed, it's interesting that you take up this argument, given the fact that a lot of the performance art and dance you see could be described as work with a shock value agenda (for ex ann liv young). and i think you've agreed in the past that it's important to have these things on the spectrum, to broaden it at large.
― big (surm), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link
the point being made, I think, is that shock without substance is useless
― smoking cigarette shades? it doesn't even make any sense. (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link
(the argument is happening because no one can agree on what "substance" actually is)
― smoking cigarette shades? it doesn't even make any sense. (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
xposts but it is vulgar.
re his answers it's probably more like he's confused that someone is asking him why he's not making a lady gaga video (rather than asking him about his actual work) and doesn't really have a firm answer other than that it's not his thing. he's likely never been asked to do one anyway?
― jed_, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link
gondry otm
― no chapo (Lamp), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:58 (fourteen years ago) link
that's true HI DERE.
it's just funny to me. ann liv young is a performance artist who regularly strips naked onstage, sticks guns in her vagina and dryhumps things, yet i distinctly recall you singing her praises, jed. i guess there are a lot of different meanings of "substance"
― big (surm), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link
sur, yes, i agree that ann liv uses shock tactics to achieve some of her ends and sometimes her work is bad if that's all there is to it but in her best work there's a transformative aspect that helps it transcend that technique. i don't think that's the end in itself, plus i find her funny. but i'm not really interested in "shocking" work. if it's good work and it uses that then great.
― jed_, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link
lady shitshit
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link
actually i think ann liv young is the only performer i've seen and liked that is shocking.
― jed_, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link
gaydy lala
― no chapo (Lamp), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm not surprised he's irritated though, his work is v. subversive and actually "arty" whilst gaga just throws enough money at the wall and lengthens her videos to obscene lengths in the hope that something sticks. i don't think she's actually mastered the video artform at all yet, contrary to popular hype right now.
― nevermind312, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link
― jed_, Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:04 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what a performer to pick, though. of all people, to me, she seems to be the most obsessed with her audience's reaction. i hesitate to accept the notion that if it makes you uncomfortable, it must be good, which encompasses a lot of her followers.
HI DERE is right, this is a subjective argument. i just don't like to see something discounted purely because it strives to fuck with its audience. there are better reasons. i am actually kind of guilty of this when it comes to ann liv young, insofar i think she pigeonholes herself to some extent.
― big (surm), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link
plus i was genuinely shocked by it!
otoh when i read about her or see videos of her work i think it looks crap.
― jed_, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link