I didn't offer it as a definition Matt, it very clearly isn't even attempting to be a definition, just one of the differences that have arisen between Rock and Pop as the two have diverged.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:19 (twenty years ago) link
Matt Capital Radio thank heaven never play Mike And The Mechanics any more. I think there's a kind of hidden war between Capital Radio and its audience though, even more so than with R1 - CR want to be a modern up-to-date pop station that plays Sean Paul a lot and whenever it does its top 500 songs it's all Bo Rap and Careless Whisper.
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:19 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:20 (twenty years ago) link
― zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:21 (twenty years ago) link
We can only hope they did "Get Your Hands Off My Woman".
― person#0 (person#0), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:23 (twenty years ago) link
It just feels a bit cosy to me, they don't sound like Beyonce or Jay Z, they sound like a clunky old metal band and I don't think anyone who's really into modern pop music is being obtuse by not liking them, they're an eccentricity if anything. I suppose I also feel what's the point of establishing them as pop music. Similarly you could argue what's the point of establishing them as rock music, and I'd have to say cos it's not really fair to the genre of music they're in to appropriate them as pop, cos once you do, inevitably it becomes a way to ignore the fact that you love a rock band.
I sometimes feel like this about your 2 Many DJs stuff aswell Tom, given the dance records they play aren't really massive hits all the time, and 2 Many DJs had so much electro I often felt they were a dance act. I know I was the one moaning about the principle of them playing all the rock songs, I've kind of given up on that now, though I still think indie-disco is a little too much of an oversight and an affront to soulgrabber, vitalic, alan braxe, daft punk (bearing in mind they tend to choose rollin' and scratchin'), none of which would really go down well in any indie disco except perhaps Alan Braxe. Perhaps.
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:34 (twenty years ago) link
This is true, of course. Although I don't like Coldplay and still consider them pop, probably more than I do Jay-Z. But then again as I've mentioned I define current pop by what's on the shelves at Tesco's at any given time.
I can certainly see The Darkness playing the Smash Hits Pollwinners Party this year though.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:40 (twenty years ago) link
I think Matt is pretty much OTM here. I think The Darkness are pop in the sense that they are drawing on the tradition of Queen through Def Leppard - which may be the most popular export (in terms of sales figures) British music has ever had? They are pop in the same way that 'Jump' by Van Halen is a great pop single.
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:43 (twenty years ago) link
Unfortunately, they are really bad pop. Really, my argument against them has little to do with how seriously they take themselves - it's to do with the fact that their music is just plain bad bad bad and lost what little comedy value it once possessed after approximately three listens.
― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:49 (twenty years ago) link
On a largely unrelated note jumping off from Stevie's point - have the Darkness released any records or played any gigs in America yet? Surely they have the potential to become more successful over there than any British act except possibly Radiohead in over 10 years?
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:49 (twenty years ago) link
Perhaps house=indie disco all along? god I hope not. I better grow my hair again.
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:52 (twenty years ago) link
fatboy slim, housemartins, jacques lu cont, zoot woman, felix? well, felix.
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:54 (twenty years ago) link
Curses it's a continuum, Ricardissimo is right.
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Keano (RickyT), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link
I phoned Mike T and he agreed it was ridiculous.
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
I swear the next time I DJ it will be under this pseudonym.
― person#0 (person#0), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:38 (twenty years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:44 (twenty years ago) link
And if you're in any doubt as to the kind of music they play there...(and I quote): "youth club classics, disco trash, punk stompers, sleazy listening, racy retro, drunken anthems, exotic rubbish, and perfect pop". And bloody good fun it (still) is too.
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:05 (twenty years ago) link
― m.s (m .s), Sunday, 10 August 2003 05:32 (twenty years ago) link
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd800/d832/d83258uakr8.jpg
And who thinks to cover Kiss in 1980? Too bad it was the best song on Sheer Greed
Hi, Jeff W!
― Arthur (Arthur), Sunday, 10 August 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Sunday, 10 August 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
― David. (Cozen), Sunday, 21 September 2003 20:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Sunday, 21 September 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link
The Darkness's album has now climbed back to the top of the charts, besting Starsailor's new release. Are they allowed to be pop music yet?
― stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 September 2003 10:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 22 September 2003 11:51 (twenty years ago) link
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 September 2003 11:55 (twenty years ago) link
because they prefer it to 'your' pop. it goes no deeper than that. they just like it better.
no, hang on, they're wrong and you're right, because you're obviously cleverer.
i love this thread. the anti-darkness kidz, well, they're just so... rockist?
― stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 September 2003 12:37 (twenty years ago) link