Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?

well, this really sucks. I just wrote a huge paragraph and only got a couple of lines to come out in print. 1st complaint. guess it wasn't that important, but don't worry... i remember it. i'll bless you all in a few.

to add to what i was saying... basically after the 1st cd nas put out (classic), fans flocked to get his 2nd. disappointment led to lower sales on his 3rd, 4th, and so on. now i don't think there is anything wrong with putting out a 'popular' cd to ensure your grandkids are fed. but at the very least, give the 'popular' fans something they want to hear. what's unfortunate is that nas doesn't seem to thrive off of mainstream hip hop as jay does. i don't personally listen to most mainstream hip hop, but jay attracts my attention because he happens to bridge the gap better than, quite possibly anyone before. true, i like mos def, kweli, common, outkast, and the rest of erykah's kids(that was pretty funny), but good music is good music. and for the most part, i don't think nas has come with it in a while. and by the way, R.I.P. 2pac and big: and forgive us, many of us just take things to heart when it comes to your name.

A rose in the cement

Yeah, well I'm a cactus in the poodle garden. So what?

jay-z is a good guy but his shit is LAME! rhyming pussy with wussy? what in the fuck is that?!

They should reference this thread in an episode of Futurama, because I have a feeling it will last for several thousand years.

Bottom Line: Nas still is and always will be Nasty. He has not dropped off at all, anyone that claims that is definitely not up on the shit going on in NYC (so stay the fuck out!). Jigga has never had an album even close to half as good as Illmatic or It Was Written, and he never will. Know why? Because he is a commercial- ass pussy nigga. Sure, he makes all those party songs, but that is all he is good for. If you love seeing a faker hustler punk on your MTV, the Box, and BET, than by all means, you probably love Jay-Z and his gay ass. Haha. True MCs do not need all the ice and bling-bling BS that is so common today. Did you ever see Marly Marl, RUN DMC, LL, MC Shan, Bambatta, Stetsa, Nas, Rakim, Cube, Dre, MC Lyte, EPMD, Redman, Raekwan, Mobb Deep, GangStarr, or the Bootcamp pull any lame shit like wanting to be up on MTV all day like all the studio gangsters out there now? No. Hells no. That shit all became popular with Homos like Puff and Jigga, Cash Money, etc. To all you that think Jigga is jiggy, enjoy his ass and stay the fuck outta NYC and QB. Jadakiss and Nas are more than enough to cut Roc-a-fella down to size. Jigga didn't even coin the term roc-a-fella, he just stole it from one of the realest, that shows you what he is all about.

hold up man, yall boys better recognize lil flip. i can do that. i predict hisd shit will sell between a hundred thousand and 8.6 million, thats just my to me, you might have a different to me, it just depend. also, that nigga lil romeo wreck shit for a young un, and he got some hang time. he keepin it gutter

qb soldia speaks the truth, nas's shit all fits together and sounds good. jay-z sounds like he just puts random things together and says them, and surprise surprise, its sounds totally WACK

yo!! who ever thing jay homo is better than NAS u need a reality check jay homo is as comercial as it comes yes reasoniable dought was a good album but is it beter than illmatic NAS feel off in terms of having hits i dont thing he completly fell off we jus haven't heard him on the radio as much if u a real hiphop head u would know this

BOTTOM LINE NAS IS WAY BETTER THAN JAY HOMO THIS WILL BE PROVEN WHEN HIS ALBUM COMES OUT AND THEN WE ALL CAN (SALUTE HIM)!!!!! HOLLA

stay the fuck out of ny and qb huh? nas hasn't tried to bling bling it huh? just wait til nas' next cd comes out, right? i don't really think this needs to be addressed, but okay. for starters you probably need to leave that shelter in qb and realize that there are many talented emcees outside of ny. there is a lot of bs that comes out of ny. if you are a true hip hop fan i needn't remind you that you'll find talent and bullshit just about everywhere you look. now i don't want to waste anymore time on that issue so just listen to ras kass''sonset', track 7(from the 'soul on ice' cd). 2ndly, i think nas has been trying to bling bling it as much as the next emcee on his last few cd's(including the firm). and lastly, i don't know if jay is gay or not (that seems to be the justification something i haven't quite figured out). what i do know is that until nas does put out a good cd(it's been a while), he simply won't compare. you can call 'blueprint' commercial or whatever, but it's the best hip hop cd i've heard this year.

Yeah, gilson, we all need a reality check because reality is pickin' boogers and worshipping armpits and scaling the highest puddle. (Not that Nas is to blame. He's another petty bully homophobe, but hardly the only one.)

I’ve read some ridiculous statements here! Master P or Nelly? He must be like 12 for real !! Anyway…When Jay-Z (what I will always refer to him as) first dropped he was mad creative, for real. I remember hearing him on a mix tape my man made, I was like “who’s that”. Jumped on the first LP...then skipped all the others until this last one. The production is elite, and he’s making the head the nod! Is it glamorous? yah it is.. but I give props where its do. I don’t like that “bling” shit but he actually came with some original joints this time around (like the Jay-Z I first remembered) It’s an art peoples, its about being original. As far as what’s in whip's CD changer now; The Roots, Talib Kwali, Best of Gangstarr, Dead Prez, and the new Maxwell joint (for the ladies) As far as lyricist are concerned (in random order)...Rakim, Biggie, Black thought, Nas, Guru, KRS1, and yes Jay-Z. Peace-

ey whats that song, i think its drag on and eve. some of the lines are "LEts talk about BITCHES I FUCK" Then eve, or some broad says "LEts talk about LIL DICK NIGGAS" They go back and forth, this song was tite but i cant remember it, somebody help me out. holla

it's on eve's first cd. w/ drag-on. lyricists- no particular order- Ra, KRS, BIG, Kweli, Mos Def, Ras Kass, Eminem, Jigga, and several underground artists. this list could change next week of course. you know how hip hop fans are. best female lyricist- hmmm, maybe foxy brown...don't know. any input? the nas vs jay z issue is getting tired.

I gots ta agree with hills 3000 about what he says about jay Z. The only reason jay z is on top and even being considered as the "king of new york" is because of the tight producers he is able to work with. Most other artists can only afford to have a song or two produced by a well known producer, while jay can afford to have his entire album produced by an all star cast. Needless to say, tight beats coupled with Jay-Z's gimmicky rhyme style leads to high sales. Without those tight beats, nobody would even be considering JAY Z' as being anywhere in the top ten. I bet nobody (except the rocafella dicksuckers) would claim that Jay Z's Reasonable doubt was better then any of the other classics, namely Illmatic, Blackstar, Me Against the World, and All Eyes on Me. In order to be a great MC, you must first be on top lyrically. When I say lyrically, i don't mean gimmicky, dolla flashin, booty rhymes. I mean lyrically complex, consious rhymes that brings something to the hiphop world that no one else can. With that in mind, I can't even consider jay z as one of the best. Rappers now (that are living) that could be condidered include: Nas(Illmatic), Mos def, Talib Kweli, Common, Chino XL, Rakim, Shabam Sadiq, Black Thought, and the old Rass Kass. The deaceased and old school rappers I would inlcude are: Tupac, KRS-one, Public Ememy, Tragedy the intelligent thug, Dana dane, Slick Rick, and Big Daddy Kane. All this bullshit about da ROC being number 1 is gabage because if jay z were to die tommorow, the roc would die also. As a final note, don't let album sales, determine who is the best MC. Just because a nigga is hot at the moment and sells a bunch of CD's doesn't make him the greatest of all time. Cause if that were the case the best rappers would be Nelly, mater p, and ludacris.

tired tired tired. nas, try putting out another good cd. period< that's all i ask. illmatic was definately classic...what year was that? you've put out bullshit since then. on mic skills alone, there are several top notch emcees. some of you have named a few, but to not include jay has to be considered hatin'. it's understandable though. hip hop fans have always been kinda finicky. especially when one artist starts gettin all the glory.(i know it's also killin niggas that eminem is gettin so much praise for his skills, but you can't front. the kid brings it) 'blueprint' is straight up classic material. of course i could really do without the remix to 'girls girls girls'. it actually sounds like some beat nas would use. nas has HAD any producer he's wanted to work with, but he has not been able to come close to another classic cd, so obviously his formula has not been working as of late. nas, i challenge you to put out a cd this millenium that is not total bullshit!! i thought this conversation was over?!! ya killin me kogan!! lol:)

all yall muthafuckers crazy especially the ones that wrote the long ass shit on here get a fuckin life! assholes!

2pac is still alive. his death was a sham. he faked his death to make money outta you suckers and it worked.

Best Female Rapper - Lauryn Hill

1hotgirl is actually the gay rapper!

i agree, lauryn hill!

Is 1hotgirl implying that we should get the fuckin' life in our assholes? Intriguing suggestion.

yo i'm from the west....and for realz Jay z is doin his thing. Nas had fallen off like jus like the world trading center ( r.i.p to those who died) I think Beans and Jada are about the same. But Jada's album is better than Beans. Oh the G.O.A.T is Makaveli...his shit is deep like the abyss. ne wayz i'm out.

Burp!

Heh.

*rotfl*

best female rapper....jay-z

jay-z is witty,nas is deep,jay-z is clever,nas is intelligent.

the reason tupac fits the gangster rap stereotype is because he took ghetto life and values and represented them even in court.wherever he went he still handled life the way he would if he'd been in the project hallways.so the rest of the ghetto-ignorant people even as far away as london took him as the basic american gangster rapper.

tupac's voice wasnt straining you fool.his voice changed to reflect the emotion of the song unlike biggie's.

Yo I was digging jay back in the day but now he done lost his mind! Nas is the MAN and is way deep than jay. peace to the god

1st of all hotgirl.......If we don't have lives and you want to critique are lives, what does that make you? Best lyric makers gotta be Pac, BIG, Jada, Nas, Jay-Z and maybe a few more. Eminem got some skills, but he loses some points with me when he raps about sexin' dead mammals and all that nonsense. Yes I reconize his talent, but you have to take all of his stuff in to account. And one last thing about him, I'm not hating, but tell him to beef with someone who will beef back and leave the pop stars alone. Brintey and Christina and the boy bands....all of that is funny, but if you gonna call out some one don't pick on a lil softee, take it to the real. And that Fred D doesn't count. Now, about Rakim. I guess he had his time back in the day, but ain't no way you can say he'd be the man today. Naw, they rapping about other things now, and didn't he already try a comeback? Now about Nas... I guess everybody is sayin that his first CD was untouchable. If that is the case then stop comparing all his others to it. Just becasue they are not as tight, doesn't mean they are str8 up weak. John Singleton put out Boyz-N- the Hood as his 1st movie. He can never put out a better movie, don't hate on the next movies because it is impposble to match a true classic. Think about that 1. And you can't really tell me that Nas last few CD's didn't have at least something you were feeling. Listen to "We will Survive" or "I want to talk to You" or "Last Words." I'm telling y'all he is still spittin some true-make-you-sit-down-and-think-about- it-type-rhymes. And as far as sales, that means nothing. With all of the downloading and the bootlegs, and Nelly out selling Jigga...that should tell you. Sales don't prove a thing. Holla. And P.S. Beans don't want Jada 4real. Ask Bleek, he don't want it wit J. I can't wait for round 2. I hope there is a round 2. Qoolout

We only get half a bar. Fuck us.

Oh my bad BEST FEMALE RAPPER - Jay-Z then Lauryn

NAS IS THE SHIT

one love

I am with you on Lauryn. I've been saying for 2 years that her next album shd be ALL RAP.

HoLLa back to all you fake niggas who keep tryin to play my son fab on some wack shit my son is better than jay and nad HoLLa back

Yo, ya'll niggas is crazy.

Nas is the realist muthafucka in the game ever PERIOD.

GAY-Z IS A FAGGOT.

He can't fuck with nas, his organziation is filled with rappers who can onyl make gold records. And they only getting gold because of Jay-Z features. Nas is the fucking best rapper our right now and he been doing it for 10 years twice as long as Gay-Z. Gay-Z shoula retired after Hard Knock Life but he tried so hard to get muthafucking Shitie Sigel and Shitis Bleek on.

Them niggaz aint gangsta Jay-Z hasn't been in Marcy since 1997, Memphis is still in Marcy living in his mama's house picking roaches out of his bowl of Krasdale Fruit Rings and water. Nas still goes back to the Bridge same goes for the Mobb. The Bridge is real black people, them niggaz from Philly and Marcy are fucking jokes. Jadakiss chewed the shit out of Beanie's long ass freestyle on Empire Strikes Back. That shit went waaay too long and that shit was talking about nothing. Listen to Jada's shit

..and I aint making no more songs either so when I shoot him in his face dont' say that I'm wrong neither

...I hate Beans but fuck it kiss gonna eat

...I don't know where they found you son but since your pops aint around I'm gonna punish and groudn you son...

Comon that's blood raw nigga what did beanie say

I'm gonna sun Kiss like a soda

That was fucking weak that made me laugh the only thing redeemable in that entire corny freestle weaker than something my grandmother could write was

I know why Styles say he the ghost of this shit I can tell in your style he wrote most of your shit

Man Nas kills

Like my nigga Pac said Jay-Z is a corny sounding muthafucker with big dick sucking lips

Mason Murder - no doubt Nas eats Jigga for lunch in a freestyle contest - or almost any rhyming contest - but you have to respect that Jay-Z can write songs. Everything on the new album sounds like a single. Nas tracks sound like just that - tracks - some Primo beat on repeat or summat. I respect that too and sometimes that's what I want to hear but no matter who Jigga sticks his dick in you have to recognize that the man has got skills, just different ones.

I THINK ITS JUST BULLL NORE AND STYLES ARE THE ILLEST RAPPERZ qvb NIGGAZ BLOOD UP

I liked Jay-z back in the day. . . When he dropped the STREETZ IS WATCHIN' LP . . . Now all of a sudden, he flipped and went straight 'POP'. Him and his corny ass H to the Izzo shit. Thats type MTV shit. They should air that on TRL along with Nsync and the Backstreet Boys. He lost his touch. On the other hand, Nas never lost it. . . he stayed street till the end. No one who knows RAP can ever say Jay-z can take Nas in a battle. Nas would and DID rip his ass apart. Anyone disagreein with that. . . Go listen to your P-diddy and Nelly cds cuz you obviously don't know shit about RAP. Read my shit I put down on August 30th on this website

Wassup Every1. Ok while I don't know the exact origins of the beef between Jay-Hov' and Nas I can tell you this....without a shadow of a doubt Jay-Z won the battle between the two. While both Stillmatic (Nas's dis track) and Takeover (Jay's dis track) were both hard as a teenage male virgin watching a porno any true and IMPARTIAL hip-hop fan KNOWS Jay-Z won. While I'm a devoted fan of both S.Carter and N.Jones lyrically Jay GAVE IT TO Nas!! Come with me on this 1, how bout Jay's line "you's the fag model for Karl Kani Esco as/ went from Nasty Nas to Esco's trash/ had a spark when you started but now you're just garbage/ fell from top ten to not mentioned at all/ till your body guard's Oochie Wally's verse better than yours/ matter of fact you had the worst flow on the whole f*cking song/ but I know/ the sun don't shine/ the sun don't shine....". And the screaming ad- libs in the background just put the icing AND THE CANDLES on the cake! It was great to witness a battle between two of raps most gifted emcees ever, either one has an legitimate claim to best lyricist ever. However I was shocked and disappointed that this battle between Jay and Nas was so 1-sided, I mean who won is not even DEBATABLE, Jay won. I thought it was gonna to be a close call, you know....the rap Clash of the Titans, the Ali/Frazier of hip-hop, one 4 the record books. I do hope Nas can rebound from this....this.....lyrical thrashing courtesy of Hova because I would hate to see Nas go out in an undignified fashion. He and Jay have both contributed TREMENDOUSLY to rap and I would like to see BOTH of them gracefully bow out when the time comes. Oh and one more thing, I wish everybody would get off Eminem's D*CK! Yes he's nice, yes he has skills, but don't OVERcredit just because he's a legitimate white rapper. He's nice on the mic but don't make it bigger than it actually IS, ask yourself this question, would you praise his skills this much if her were BLACK, would we even know who he is if he were Black....NOOOO. I mean I've seen this kat on the cover of so many magazines and praised on so many radio stations you would think he was the second coming of Rakim, hell the second coming of JESUS!!! I mean don't get me wrong, lyrically Eminem is sick, but he's not TERMINALLY ILL! He can't touch any of the hip-hop heavyweights such as Jay-Z, Nas, or DMX, he can't even f*ck wit Jadakiss on the battle tip so every just calm the hell down 4 a minute. I mean every1 was ridin' his dick b4 his SECOND ALBUM even dropped! Let duke earn a few more albums and let him earn his stripes b4 you start fitting his head 4 a crown ight, lets get over the fact that he's a WHITE rapper and just look at him as a RAPPER and judge him accordingly. Let's give him the credit he deserves as we do all other rappers, no more and no less. Peace and Love.

I really have to confess I have no clue what the hell is going on in this thread anymore.

"LL,the greatest rapper of all time","The greatest rapper of all time died on March 9th", Fuck that,the greatest rapper of all time just dropped The Blueprint.

Fuck sales! Fuck mag covers! Fuck the press! illmatic, that's it, the only one, garbage since. For starters, yes, illmatic was a classic, but for anyone to say that it's the peak and we shouldn't expect nas to show growth from that, should go back to school. No, nas shouldn't try to outdo illmatic, but he should show some growth or originality in his material. unfortunately he has not. there are talented poets everywhere. mariah carey's a talented singer but i don't want to hear her shit. put out something i want to hear. fuck it, put out something YOU want to hear. i think outkast's 1st cd was classic, but i think they showed growth on their 2nd and 3rd cd's respectively. if you've peaked on your 1st cd, leave the business. there's nothing more you can give us. also, eminem 's shit is staightup wicked. white, black, whatever, the kid's got skills. i'm not really a fan of his voice but his shit is original, he flows over all types of beats, he's shown some battling skills, and he holds his own on every cd he's been on. yeah, he get's a lot of praise, but so did biggie, after 1 cd(annointed king of ny). yeah he's on all the mag covers. but he's still skilled enough to be on a rawkus records cd. sure, i think he get's more praise because he's white. but i don't buy the mags, i don't care much about the press, i don't really care who else is feelin him. but i know when i hear him on a track, i listen to the lyrics. the talent cannot be denied. he'd hold his own with just about anyone right now.