what is the most masculine genre of music?

haha lose my "x-post" I guess

well if concepts like masculine and feminine are going to be useful to a society then they are about delineating between two classes of people and you know which one has been in charge quite a lot, it makes sense that the definitions between those categories would be useful as tools of subjugation etc.

xp thats why I was hoping that we could jump in with, you know roided up house music, because thats a more interesting way of thinking about masculinity (pleasure of the body, body worship etc) than whichever is most hardcore and violent (what is implicit in violence always is, you know the victims of said violence)

that xp was to HD

well I hear you but I think that is unfair to say that the fault lies in the people who reflexively think "masculinity has a lot to do with misogyny" - an ideal masculinity may not, but masculinity as we know it in the world kinda does imo. it's not being defined by "the way I think about it" - masculinity, for a long time, has largely defined itself (via its social expression & norms) as "the trait that is antithetical to femininity"

but fuck this it is HI DERE's birthday so let us not argue and let us rather think of masculine traits other than the misogynist ones, which we've covered!

really earnestly wish more dudes felt comfortable describing themselves as "feminist" without fear of coming off like marc loi or w/e

yeah I was pretty comfortable doing this until ILX ragged on me ad infinitum - maybe the content, rather than the form, was an issue

Tiarnan's answer is still the best one, although I'd possibly add KMFDM

most "bro" music: sublime

Any ladies chime in yet on this thread?

No, it's a very masculine thread so far.

*chugs a brewdog*

what... what is a "brewdog"

surely it isn't a hot dog in beer form, which is what I am terrified it is

lolz I use it interchangeably w/"brewski" or the like

but literal brew dog description resulted in a literal lol

Didn't there used to be brats with beer in them?

see what happens when there are no women in the discussion

my buddy once poured skittles into heineken or some somethin' and called it "skittlebrau". it was pretty nasty. (but v. masculine)

Dan will now make his fortune selling hotdogs in beer

I have a sneaking suspicion that this will kill on college campuses

Remember when this goes to court when Alan sues you, that we will take his side, unless you give us a percentage of the profit.

Meat which fizzes = NAGL

dpaok

.0000000000000000000001% is still a percentage, just remember this

these guys will want a piece of the cut:

http://www.brewdog.com/slideshow/home2.jpg
http://www.brewdog.com/media/brewdog_logo.jpg

sorry, can't resist:

http://www.brewdog.com/media/punkdog.gif

How is that an achievement? Dogs notoriously easy to punk.

You just pretend like you threw the milkbone but really youre still holding it.

it may not be an achievement, but you can't deny that it makes it more personal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeb8-KBq4b0

The answer to this thread is Outlaw Country.

Hank III must be like the most masculine musician ever then.

Any guy you can compare to his father and grandfather and say is the most masculine of the bunch is probably a pussy.

robert bly is mrs. doubtfire?

my buddy once poured skittles into heineken or some somethin' and called it "skittlebrau". it was pretty nasty. (but v. masculine)

― ¬_¬ (Alan N), Thursday, 1 April 2010 20:50 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

reffing a Simpsons bit here:

Homer: "I'm feelin' low, Apu. You got any of that beer that has candy floating in it, you know, Skittlebrau?"

Apu: "Such a product does not exist, sir! You must have dreamed it."

Homer: "Oh. Well then just gimme a six-pack and a couple of bags of Skittles."

feminism, unless we're getting way extreme, basically amounts to 'anti-sexism' (v. rarely about overcoming the patriarchy and then instituting a matriarchy, yes?), so hey gents, if we're feeling awkward let's just go for that.

If feminism just amounted to anti-sexism we'd probably just call it that.

heh, didn't catch the ref but he's a big simpsons nerd, so that makes sense.

Can I sorta disagree with J0hn for a second? I tend not to like the implication that masculinity is just a matter of not-being-Other for the same reasons I dislike the idea that middle-class white Americans "don't have a culture" -- because it describes how privilege feels, but it doesn't actually describe reality. Just because your way of being is so dominant or valued that you're not super-conscious of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist; just because putting on a baseball cap feels less visible than putting on a turban doesn't mean the baseball cap isn't part of a culture that's just as specific as any other. And I think that goes even more for being male/masculine, a gender system in which there's no big numerical minority -- it's half-and-half, you know? Being male/masculine isn't just about not-being-Other, it's a whole gender construct every bit as bizarre and artificial as being female/feminine. It just happens to be the one we value and make really easy on men, which makes it incredibly easy to adopt it and perform it without much thinking about it, just viewing it as natural and right and simple. That's where the "othering" comes in. But I don't know that the concept of masculinity is any less constructed than femininity -- in fact, it strikes me as problematic to really talk about gender without saying "masculinity" is completely artificial and learned and performed like anything else!

haha sorry HI DERE kinda pointed at this idea already, sorry

it's okay, nerdy black dudes gotta stick together

how dya think feminism doesn't generally amount to anti-sexism? What it's generally doing is trying to find some kind of balanced relationship between sexes, either in the boring standard equal rights way, or as a matter of the real recognition of different identities alongside the (male; also white + western + etc.) norm, no?

haha HI FIVE DERE

no, i don't think feminism is primarily about establishing a "balanced" relationship between sexes... any more than the guy who's running second in the race is primarily about "catching up" with the leader. If women were to surpass men in whatever metrics are used to demonstrate their second-class status now, you think the bulk of self-identifying feminists would mind?

I think alot of middle America would think pop country like Toby Keith and stuff is the most masculine. I mean cos metal people wear makeups. And hardcore/techno people are .... well, you can guess what they say. I think in the last decade hip hop and rap has taken its place amongst the children of those people but yeah if you want a mainstream definition of manly music just watch a pickup truck commercial and listen to what it's playing.

dan is it rilly yer birthday happy birthday! if so.

op w/e is on the stereo when im banging yr sister

kerm, I think we're on a pretty dangerous ground if we're positioning feminism in general as a declaration of sexual warfare.

Kerm that's an incredibly short-term (and ridiculously quantitative) way of looking at it. Seriously, a change in our society that took care of all our various cultural roots of sexism would be part of a process on the scale of like centuries, not metrics, and yes, by the end of it today's self-identifying feminists would be long dead, and the people of this vastly improved future would have gradually stopped worrying a ton about the issue.

ask ten women what feminism means and you'll get ten different answers. the gals never know what they want. am i right or am i right?

hell ya, that's why I'm here to tellem what it is.

no, i don't think feminism is primarily about establishing a "balanced" relationship between sexes... any more than the guy who's running second in the race is primarily about "catching up" with the leader. If women were to surpass men in whatever metrics are used to demonstrate their second-class status now, you think the bulk of self-identifying feminists would mind?

― Kerm, Thursday, April 1, 2010 6:05 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thread delivers

please dont , we avoided thread being derailed and trainwrecked all day, dont spoil it now!