"Uh Huh Her." Thoughts on the new PJ Harvey?

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I can't tell whether J.D. is saying people who don't like hipsters are idiots or people who think Polly Harvey is ugly are idiots.

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, the latter. i'm all for hating on hipsters.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, I'm with you, then.

(Polly Harvey is actually astonishing-looking, like some kind of semi-malevolent nocturnal creature in human form, which makes her sort of compelling.)

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Those who don't give a flying fuck whether they are "hip" or not are often *perceived* to be hip by people wishing desperately to be hip.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i like this album a great deal. prefer it a hell of a lot more to songs from the... there's nothing as bleuh as those last few songs on the last album, i forget the titles now, but i always thought they should either be on a womans' mag free CD or in a tampon advert.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

That guy she's with is wearing a Big Black shirt.
-- Andy K (kxllmx...), May 15th, 2004.

WOW!
It looks like it could say Big Black, but are you sure???

mei (mei), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

RE: her yellow dress and pink shoes.

Anyone else thinking of Karen O right now?

A few of the new songs, eg "The Life and..." strike me as YYYsesque too.

mei (mei), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

And hmmm I don't see why Alexis Petridis is getting such a bashing for expressing his dislike of King Tubby in a sarcastic manner.

mei (mei), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone else thinking of Karen O right now?

This really should be the other way around.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Karen O thinking of Ned Raggett right now?

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

She can't get pi out of her head.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

It's good, but it doesn't remind me that much of Dry or Rid of Me. Both were far more vibrant/energetic and the sound was more harsh.

It might just be the MP3s I downloaded (which sounds like they might be the vinyl rip), but this is heavier and sludgier (ie the Desert Sessions/QOTSA dude has rubbed off).

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

even though i haven't heard the new one yet I agree with everything Tim Finney says, as always (except re: last missy album! =) about Dance Hall...so underrated...

Is Civil War Correspondent not one of the most poignant anti-war songs ever ? those lyrics, geez... Rope Bridge Crossing and Heela are amazing as well...intense, over-the-top, but with almost a camp-like sense of enthralling fun bubbling in the background to the drama (esp the part where john parish does back-up vocals on Heela) -->

"
{She ...}
{She was a girl, she got her hair done nice}
{She said "i've given all I got to my healer man}
{He put his hands on me, showed me what I am} "

Vic (Vic), Sunday, 6 June 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

And that yellow dress, that's a picture of PJ HERSELF on it, isn't it!

mei (mei), Monday, 7 June 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

having had this album for two days now, i have to say the textures are just amazing. polly is quite underrated as a producer.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Monday, 7 June 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never understood why Stories is so hated amongst hipstaz. It's by far my fave PJ album and I can't think of another record that conjures so vividly the giddy freedom of a summer night in the big city.
So I'm a bit suspicious of the new one and the so-called return to 'dry rawk'..

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never understood why Stories is so hated amongst hipstaz.

I like it quite a bit as well, I know Ally made it her album of the year at the time. Actually, there's no PJ Harvey album I hate at all -- they're all pretty great!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

in the french press i read that pj harvey sings about her broken up relationship with vincent gallo on her new album. does anyone here know more about that?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I had no idea 'Stories' was even hated. Just cos it ended up on 'Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back'...

Sir Stewart Wallace (Enrique), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't hate Stories..., but it's my least favourite of her albums. Although I'm not a hipster, either, so...

Actually, my memory/impression of the reception received by Stories... at the time it was released was very favourable, wasn't it? On some level, it reminded me of the contemporaneous All that I Can't Leave Behind (they were not only released in the same year, but the same month) -- both in its critical reception (a return to guitar rock/form!) and in its large sound, even down to similarly awkward attempts to re-mythologise New York City.

(It's a whole 'nother thread, but has anyone else noticed how many bands/artists were writing explicitly, overtly about NYC in the months leading up to 9/11? I know they always have, but the numbers seem disproportionate, like the collective unconscious had an inkling or something.)

David A. (Davant), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

the new york stuff on stories is creepy

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Dry so much the rest of her albums (esp. Stories) suffer in comparison.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

the new york stuff on stories is creepy

Yeah, how lucky was she to write "Kamikaze" for her New York album ...

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

the new york stuff on stories is creepy

Yes, I agree.

(And just to back up my weird assertion above, alongside U2 and PJ Harvey, there were songs by Doves, Richard Ashcroft and Interpol arpound that time all featuring NYC either heavily, thematically, or overtly in the titles.)

David A. (Davant), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Stories and listen to it just as much as her other albums. This new one, though, eh. Not so much. Though she was fucking staggeringly amazing at the Knitting Factory show. Just completely jaw-dropping. The best description of the show that I read is on SFJ's blog. None can compare.

Je4nne Ć’ury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

why is it creepy?

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

This new one is actually sounding very good! Not as bluesy as I had envisaged. Very muffled sound though.

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 06:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Very muffled sound though

Many of the tracks on slsk etc were ripped from vinyl.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 06:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I've purchased my own legitimate copy, sir!
It is pretty strange though, I have to really raise the volume on my stereo for this one.

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Just saw her on Letterman, and her guitar player had a fucking Airline guitar a la Jack White. Is the Airline the new Jaguar? I bet next time you see that twat from Bush he'll have one.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 06:38 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, there's no pj album i think i could single out as MEDIOCRE, let alone bad. "stories" is my second favorite of her albums, after "to bring you my love." (come on, doesn't anyone else like that one?)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 07:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I like To Bring you My Lovethe best too, FWIW. then Dry, Rid of Me, and Stories in that order-haven't heard the others, though I admit never really giving Stories a fair shake. The new song she played on Letterman was OK, just couldn't stop staring at the stupid White Stripes guitar. Thought the yellow dress was cute. She also had yellow gloves and pink shoes on.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 09:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw PJ Harvey during the early hype and decided I didn't like her. It was the punk-blues thing, but also:

* British person using American idioms.
* Romantic conception of self as 'intense artist'.
* Literary humanist worldview influenced by American short story, poetry workshop lyrics such as: 'Can't you see my handwriting?/the curve of my g?/the longing?'
* 'Strong woman feminism'; 'girls can be violent too, you know!'
* Guitar orientation. (Connected to point above.)
* She makes the kind of records that make critics say things like 'Lust, anger, hurt and trust do their timeless dance once again.' (Kitty Empire)
* She makes the kind of records that make punters say 'Is this really about her break-up with Celebrity X / Y?' (Insert Nick Cave, Vincent Gallo, etc.) -- ie it's record-making as a sort of All-Celebrity LiveJournal.





Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

The Airline guitar was beautiful, though -- cool rock stars rockin' the cool, trendy axe is what its all about.

briania (briania), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link

There has been a copy sat on the chair in my hall for the past 3/4 weeks. It remains unplayed.

___ (___), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

She's a total git, and should be torn to shreds by wild dogs for her belief in fox hunting the dumb sod. No respect at all.

C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Who The Fuck's cop on 'the new primal rawk' (even if she did invent the re-invention, gee, thanks Polly!) is lamey lamey lamey. How many costume changes and how much dancing in your panties (see video) does it take to tell an arrogant man to go away, please? (The only good thing about it is the silly backing vocals right at the end.)

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

She DOESN'T 'believe' in fox-hunting (why am I rising to this? - he even calls himself out with his faux-irony 'torn to shreds' remark??!!) she just said that she isn't against it because she lives in a rural area and a; it's something she's familiar with seeing throughout her whole life (horses, red jackets, hounds, etcetera NOT foxes being 'torn to shreds') and she thinks it would be weird and wrong for that tradition to just vanish, and b; in rural areas foxes (and also badgers) are often serious pests to farmers. Fox Hunting may be inhumane but THEY'RE NOT HUMAN ANYWAY, THEY'RE FOXES, YOU FUCKING TWAT.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Fox hunting is just another form of rockism. C-Man is quite right to call her out on it.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Anything C man does that gets a rise out of sick is allowed, I say.

___ (___), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Wind me up and watch me go!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Momus, What exactly is wrong with being a "British person using American idioms"? There aren't many British people who don't use American idioms, it's a part of being British and a part of rock. By the way, I like your latest Leadbelly-inspired blues track "cussing all the time", "squealing like a hog", all fine British idioms!

thing of thing, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

All American idios are british idioms anyway unless their in Native Indian languages/Hispanic etcetera, surely?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

She stated that she is all for it Nick - and from your comments ("She doesn't believe in fox hunting... she just says it's good that's all" WTF you dozy cock rocket) you are an idiot. All of Harvey's CDs should come with the warning on the front:

"WARNING, this dopey bitch likes fox hunting and enjoys upper class people tearing a helpless, exhausted animal to shreds. She is a cunt and therefore in buying this album you are also a twat. And her basic "re-invention" is wearing ass high skirts. No more radical than Emma Bunton, then".

C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Likewise Suede albums should come with a warning along the lines of DANGER DANGER BR3TT @NDERSON WAS KNOWN TO REQUEST UNDERAGE CHILDREN ON HIS RIDER eh wot wot?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Also misquoting me does not make me stupid when the quote is TEN LINES ABOVE; it makes you a fule for not being able to copy&paste.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Believing in something and being 'not against them' as totally different things.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

God C-man, are you a vegan or something?! Rock artist makes a comment that disagrees with your somewhat Countryside Alliance leanings -----> can't listen to music?!

___ (___), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Yo. Nick. Go felch at badger.

C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Or rather go felch a badger. Sorry.

C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link


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