Julio - I don't agree. Some areas of vocalising don't need as much technical singing ability - especially those areas which approach speech.
― Tom, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Incidentally, I was trying in my head to remember what the Doors sound like, and all I can come up with is Will Young singing 'Light My Fire'!! Signs of the Times...
― alext, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
well, I don't think you just talk through the lyrics of 'The end' can you? Those require that you sing them and he does a good job of it (and those lyrics are funny by the way though I don't register everything he says).
i have this problem with the fact that some of you think they were serious and pretentious: if you look at that first alb. there's quite a lot of humour injected in some of the tunes I think. Morrison was 'ambitious' I suppose but what's wrong with that?
― Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
if you do that then you are just as bad as those wankers you talked abt.
― Keiko, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
the doors = the stooges it is ok to like, julio
will young has 20 gazillion time the technique morrison had: so is that a good thing or a bad thing?
― Anas FK, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
''the doors = the stooges it is ok to like, julio''
Again, I never said i didn't like the stooges. THATS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MARK S. all i said is that as an experiment in combining the rock with the jazz it failed (and that's funhouse).
I don't go by things that are 'OK to like' (music journalists seem to think they dictate such things but they are very lucky since their readership is very young). The doors are quite a good rock band, just like the stooges. What i don't understand is the problem with Jim's vocals, and their 'pretentiousness', etc. The fact is their first alb gets the OK in the Desouza household.
''will young has 20 gazillion time the technique morrison had: so is that a good thing or a bad thing?''
Why do you ask a question when you already know the answer to?
― John Darnielle, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
the stooges funhouse= success in terms of incorporating free jazz ideas into rock. a keystone.
― jack cole, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
this is just the sort of thing that makes me CRAZY!
― Sean Carruthers, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― fields of salmon, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Simon, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Norman Phay, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― alex in mainhattan, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Echo and the bunnymen were influenced by the doors! How strange.
early Swans had a clear Stooges influence and i rilly prefer listening to swans rather than funhouse.
you can really see through the bullshit only when you see a band live that is true (well, most of the time). Suggest a live comp please?
More to the point, the comparison twixt Doors and Echo has been made, and while I don't see it either, I'm not justifying it with all this rigamorale about who was more influential or the like. All I need to know is what I hear.
I almost bought a Doors album tonight cos I wonder if I would like them now - it's been so long. I really really love a lot of 60s American music, though not so much the West Coast psych stuff...but you never know.
U2 suffer from the same problem. Except they don't have a keyboard player.
― Jerry, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Most ppl in this thread don't seem to like 'em but it doesn't mean it's a joke.
i do prefer will young's version of "light my fire", because he gets something unlikely out of its chilly self-regard
this is just not true on the first alb. i'm not saying its great but then again how many rock vocalists were really 'accomplished'?
― julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
i was thinking of mentioning curtis: an even more limited singer, in a way, but i think the tension — between reach and grasp — works well for the actual material jd recorded
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Good-Time Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great 'Frisco Freak-Out (sixteen sergeants, Monday, 20 November 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link
the true geniuses - Lennon, Dylan, Tom from Kasabian
― ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link
- they didn't have a bass player- they did that song "The End"- a lot of people worship Jim Morrison as some kind of "totally deep poet, maaaaaaaan"
You can see how, based on this knowledge, I would think they were the worst group in the history of music. But then one day, I accidentally stumbled into a free show by a Doors cover band, and -- wonder of wonders -- it was actually pretty fun, rockin' music! Still haven't bought any albums, but it made me realize that maybe this was just another case of douchebag fans making good music look bad (cf. Pitchfork Kid A review that made me want to never listen to music again)
― Good-Time Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great 'Frisco Freak-Out (sixteen sergeants, Monday, 20 November 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link
did jim morrison even inflict any of his (non-musical) poetry on the public before he died?
Wasn't he focusing primarily on poetry when he was in Paris?
― Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link
Wiki says An American Prayer was recorded during a 1970 "poetry session".
― Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link
After Morrison's death, Iggy was considered as a replacement for Morrison; the surviving Doors gave Iggy some of Morrison's belongings, and hired him as a vocalist for a series of shows.
News to me!
― Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Good-Time Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great 'Frisco Freak-Out (sixteen sergeants, Monday, 20 November 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link
Sorry but Roadhouse is so good
― calstars, Saturday, 23 September 2017 01:25 (six years ago) link
let it roll baby
― brimstead, Saturday, 23 September 2017 03:09 (six years ago) link
This band won me over in the end - sure, not everything they did was great, but their best stuff was truly wonderful.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 08:39 (six years ago) link
. Fine. I won't hate the Doors.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 03:13 (four years ago) link
I only lke listening to three Doors songs: peace frog, riders on the storm and crystal ship, mainly because I love the basslines in them. None of those are in that list :(
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 04:16 (four years ago) link
I know “light my fire” and “the end” are two of their most emblematic songs but they bore me so much, I can’t even think about them without feeling slightly bored. They’re boring in a dreadful kind of way.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 04:22 (four years ago) link
Nile Rodgers picked "The End" as his #1 Desert Island Disc for the BBC, which genuinely surprised me. He was having some kind of formative LSD experience the first time he heard it.
― Josefa, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 04:34 (four years ago) link
Even snoring has the potential to sound interesting on LSD though.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 04:40 (four years ago) link
And there is another point. No matter how spoiled, vengeful or self-indulgent any supposedly titanic talent may be, the true geniuses - Lennon, Dylan, Tom from Kasabian - always exhibit some thread of empathetic humanity
i couldn't remember who kasabian were so i googled them and discovered that they are, in fact, the band that has been "described as a mix between The Stone Roses and Primal Scream with the swagger of Oasis."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 05:45 (four years ago) link
the Doors are so great
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:48 (four years ago) link
ventured into barnes and noble yesterday. they had this in the racks. pricetag? $21.99.
fucking lol
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link
Even in my most enthusiastic Doors phase Light My Fire has always bored me. Strange Days is a good album and I still smile whenever LA Woman comes on.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link
they were so audacious in every sense of the word, so incredibly ridiculous and sometimes beautiful and terrible and amazing and lame, the whole idea of the Doors seems like it never should have existed, psychedelic questers and low barroom drunks, proggy organ jackoffs and frustrated jazz welded to hard L.A. sleaze, bad poetry and funky drums and how many bands even risked half as much?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
Doing a Doors deep dive at the moment and can I just say how much I absolutely HATE how nowadays they’ve shoehorned in the “missing” vocals in “Break On Through”? “Everybody loves my baby, she get HIGH… she get HIGH… she get HIGH yeaaaahhh”. There is no way in hell those are from the same vocal take. Also fuck all these “anniversary remixes” and “Light My Fire” sped up to “correct speed” bullshit. Buy the original records or the 1988 CDs or gtfo.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 17 November 2022 08:49 (one year ago) link
Light My Fire is a terrible song
I once accepted a free ticket to see the Doors of the 21st Century with Ian Astbury on vocals, it was unbearable and I had to leave before the encore which was clearly gonna be Riders on the Storm into Light My Fire and I would have died
The best thing about that show was that Asbury gave an interview in local street press (maybe same interview everywhere, I dunno) where he said Jim Morrison came to him in a dream and said it was cool to do the schtick but he wasn’t allowed to sing The End
― meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Thursday, 17 November 2022 09:39 (one year ago) link
listening to LA woman recently and having fun imaging Ian Curtis singing it … “city at night - city at night!”
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 17 November 2022 12:02 (one year ago) link
Yes
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 November 2022 12:53 (one year ago) link
I like the sound of the DCC Compact Classics reissues for the self-titled and L.A. Woman. Tube mastering, and yes, just as they were originally released (no remixes or flying in those additional bits).
But reservations still remain. I can't listen to "The End" all the way through with a straight face. Best cover ever comes at the end of this sketch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqPB1NlM4ew
― birdistheword, Thursday, 17 November 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link
love it
― calstars, Thursday, 17 November 2022 15:03 (one year ago) link
looool I had never seen that sketch.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 17 November 2022 15:09 (one year ago) link
I have the vinyl box that came out 15 years ago or whatever, sounds fine to me. It has both stereo and mono versions of the s/t
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Thursday, 17 November 2022 15:53 (one year ago) link