Nirvana C/D

Oh for cryin' out loud. NIRVANA DIDN'T "CHANGE IDEAS ABOUT POPULAR MUSIC". They merely co-opted someone else's formula and went to the bank with it. They did it well, yes, but in NO WAY IMAGINABLE was their impact comparable to the Beatles'.

:::sigh:::

Aaron, you've got to be more careful, then, as your generalizations certainly create that impression.

Hey, let's just agree that we're all full of shit, eh?

The Beatles were genuinely trailblazing, though, whereas Nirvana were merely staying within an already formally established style. Again, there's no real comparison here.

the nightspirit will come, bringing cold, black northern darkness to the lands

But yeah just to make it clear for Alex's generalization concerns. I just thought anyone who knows their stuff would assume I was referring to the "British Invasion" thing and the "Alterna-revolution thing" when making Beatles/Nirvana comparisons. I never meant to imply Nirvana was anywhere near as big or that the Alterna-nonsense was as influential as the British Invasion. However, the Alterna-nonsense's influence HAS already carried on into the next decade, albeit in the form of stale boring MOR faux-grunge bullshit like Nickelback.

The British Invasion obviously bore a greater fruit to anyone paying attention.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), September 30th, 2004.

well yeah but IN THE CONTEXT OF 90'S MAINSTREAM POP/ROCK (which is what Aaron was talking about), their success turned people on to that sort of music who never would have been into it otherwise. that is why nirvana are considered "important". Obviously they never revolutionized rock and roll itself, that wasn't the argument. And yeah sure some people might believe that but some people think Star Wars is the pinnacle of cinema.

That was a fuckin' retarded thing I said.

"I've heard a track from a new band called Nirvana."

Man is this interesting (and I'm not that big of a Nirvana fan!). I didn't even know there was an Internet back in 1992. I sure didn't have one!!

To fully understand the song "Smells Like Teen Spirit" you should catch the
video on MTV. It has them playing a scungy dance in a school gym with an
audience straight from hell, or Seattle, where the band is from. The song
makes blatent fun of the people who listen to it, so pay attention, they
may mean you. At least if you are banging your head. ;)

Jon

This should go on the front ILXor.com page.

the baby on Nevermind is now 17:

http://www.paxtonland.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/baby-on-nevermind-album-cover.JPG

I see a slight Dave Grohl resemblance, hmmm...

I was 18 and Bleach was the bomb. Coming after Mudhoney & Tad but so gutsy, urgent and nervous it was different, above the pack. It kept unexpectedly switching gears in the most surprising, yet natural ways. I still rate it higher than any other release of theirs. Actually when Nevermind blew up I couldn't understand why Nirvana provoked/deserved the big break, although I liked that record a lot, it didn't bring anything new to the game in the way the first album did. I guess it made them slicker and more palatable.

I think I've mentioned this elsewhere, but seeing the video of Smells Like Teen Spirit on a hotel TV in a remote mexican town during a long cross-country trip was an unbelievable experience. I had taped the record to bring it along, a gem I shared with very few people. Or so I thought.

"I've heard a track from a new band called Nirvana."

love this

Yeah, that was amazing to read those reactions.

Anyway, I'm listening to that Singles box set and it's pretty classic all by itself. Okay, it has "Smells Like Teen Spirit", which we're all so very tired of, but it also contains "Even In His Youth," "Aneurysm," "Come As You Are," "Endless, Nameless," "School," "Drain You," "Sliver," "Polly," "Been A Son," (the previous five songs being live recordings), "In Bloom," "Lithium," "Curmudgeon," "Heart-Shaped Box," "Milk It," "Marigold," "All Apologies," "Rape Me" and (yes, it's here) "Moist Vagina." All in all not a bad introduction to them, and leaning way more toward Classic than Dud.

(Man, after all this time "Heart-Shaped Box" still sounds incredible.)

Classic! "The Story Of Simon Simopath" and "All Of Us" were both excellent albums! ;)

That kid looks like Ch1oe Sevigny.

I think it's interesting that those messages were dated January 1992. The album had been out for three whole months and still nobody had heard of them. No wonder Spin magazine chose Bandwagonesque over Nevermind for Best Album of 1991.

I feel bad for that poor kid. How would you like to go through life with that claim to fame? "Yep. That's my peener."

I remember seeing the "SLTS" vid on 120 Minutes, it was first time I'd heard Nirvana. I hated it, I was thinking "put this shit on Headbanger's Ball and show me 'Senses Working Overtime'".

I honestly don't remember the first time I heard SLTS, but I remember when I bought it at Camelot Records, I bought Deee-Lite's World Clique on the same day.

I probably said this on another thread, but I was working in an adolescent group home when I first heard "SLTS", and I'm serious, almost overnight, those kids in government care (all hurting in some way, obv) threw out their GN'R CDs and replaced them with Nevermind. Its impact (at least on that demographic) was that noticeable.

Ha ha, that sounds like they all traded up Gn'R for Nirvana because I heard "SLTS". You know what I mean.

Kurt's whining about Guns N' Roses, and his steadfast refusal to believe that anyone could like both bands, is an excellent capsule of just what a fraudulent prick he was. He even went so far as to say that there were rival groups of GNR and Nirvana fans at high schools, with the poor little Nirvana fans being picked on. All this from a guy who stole a chord progression from a Boston song.

In Utero's great, though.

a fucking sweet ass boston song, though.

One of those bands that is an overall "dud" with the exception of a song or two.

rival groups of GNR and Nirvana fans at high schools, with the poor little Nirvana fans being picked on.

I never saw that quote but the Nirvana and Gn'R fans at my school were either cool with each other or one and the same...it was the Pantera fans that were bullies.

"I never saw that quote but the Nirvana and Gn'R fans at my school were either cool with each other or one and the same...it was the Pantera fans that were bullies."

I'm sure it was just something that Kurt desperately wanted to believe -- cool Nirvana fans vs. thuggish GNR fans.

"a fucking sweet ass boston song, though."

Indeed.

Boston>>>>>>>>Nirvana

guys I'm pretty sure I've ranted on ILM before about how the SLTS chord progression is not the "More Than a Feeling" chord progression. Even Kurt Cobain disagrees with me, but they're not the same. (The rhythms are kinda similar though)