Lady Gaga needs her own thread

Telephone could've been released by any random pop automaton. It's not really a Gaga-specific endeavor. And fwiw, it's not her I hate (So Happy I Could Die is killer shit), but this idea that she's doing anything remotely innovative and is given all kinds of crazy credit from the press and her fans. The woman is a human mashup! I can't help but feel like she's playing an elaborate joke on the general public....which would be cool. For one, I can't really take her working with Beyoing-yoing seriously. The collaborations come across as tongue-in-cheek/marketing scheme.

― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Monday, May 3, 2010 12:43 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yea, her career is entirely based on mashed up ideas, and totally independent of any innovation on her part as a songwriter or vocalist. writing killer shit isn't really considered innovative anymore -- you have to like, actually kill shit to be innovative. and you're right, the brit-bot version of Telephone is just as good, and gaga and beyonce are irrelevant in terms of vocal skill or chemistry.

This Britney version is a fucking disaster with no fangs.

i prefer it a lot but im not gonna argue that i have any real credibility on this front

huh?? i'm sry but that recording is just objectively shit, with no soul. the vocals sound like a stay-at-home robot mom decided to go to the club and "let loose." i'm all for digi-voice in the right setting, but this is supposed to be about a woman having her perfect night and like, feeling something -- feeling the music.

Personally, I didn't think it was possible to be more embarrassing than a non-Khandi Real housewife recording, so thank you Britney for teaching me something new today.

i dunno, there's a kindof over-egged noisiness in almost every gaga song, like the beat bangs in a real stadium-rock kinda way that this remedies a bit. i do like the way the vocals split and divide, still not feeling all that whooshiness, for, like, want of a better word.

papparazzi is the only one i can think of that is not so like buzzy all the way through, and consequently my favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsoS-RUEbqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjqG9n3uEwI

"don't be tardy for the party" is the funniest thing i've read in a while

lol the whole development of that song was probably some of the best tv i've ever seen. the gays around here go crazy for it

still haven't heard countess luann!!!!!!!!!! maybe i should listen now.

i guess im familiar enough w. britneys voice that its semi intriguing for me to hear it half covered by digital crap, even if the reasoning is as functional as it is w/ these ladeez i dont read it the same

but yeah those are pretty lol, countess luanne kinda sounds like a skank

i love britney's electronic voice, it just sounds like crap on this song

and i still don't think it's all her

yeah ur right there are def bits that are someone else.

i still love pointing out the bit where u hear robyn on piece of me, bc i am cool like that.

uh i almost just spit out my food listening to the beginning of "money can't buy you class"

the biggest red flag that the Britney thing is fake is that the beat sounds like it was re-played on completely different equipment by an amateur (like the differences aren't even kind of thing that could plausibly be a rough draft or alternate mix). plus i'm pretty sure LOTS of women can do the nasal duck Britney voice pretty convincingly

"Telephone" kinda makes more sense as a Britney song, though, because it's about as retarded as "3" or "Womanizer"

I've watched waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many "Real Housewives" episodes thanks to my wife; IMO only New York and Atlanta are genuinely entertaining because, well... these women are all batshit crazy.

omg the one where Kim records "don't be tardy for the party" and starts crying

lol v. curious.

plax (ico) I'm with you on the "stadium-rock" vibe on most of her songs. since the britney version is a demo, you don't get that over-produced, "hit-you-over-the-head-with-my-beats" shit like on Bad Romance for example. Even when she does ballads, it's hard for her to come across as soft or subtle. I love how people's general response to this on the internets has been "OMG, Britney Spears can't sing!!!" as if magically they've developed ears.

you probably shouldn't be mocking others' ability to hear if you think Rodney Jerkins makes cheap-ass Fruity Loops-sounding beats like that even as demos

yes, you're absolutely right :/

the "stadium-rock" thing is sort of her signature. it makes things sound a little different to me - throws it off just enough.

also w/r/t Bad Romance, i came to appreciate the contrast between the melody and the beat. the chorus is so beautifully romantic, but it's set against this stark, hammering beat. kind of neat.

that song is full of contradictions, but she makes it work through sheer force of will. that clip is still so watchable and I think that's where she peaked with me.

damn surm u killin it

papparazzi is the only one i can think of that is not so like buzzy all the way through, and consequently my favourite.

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― plax (ico), Monday, May 3, 2010 11:53 AM Bookmark

this is otm tho

I don't know, I don't so much hear "stadium rock" as "glam stomp" (more Sweet than KISS), but otherwise, yeah, surm OTM.

darkchild's twitter confirms that the leak is legit, but now he says there's a mixed version in existence so I'm dying to hear that

like, she's actually supposed to be getting "saved" by the music in this song (confirm/deny: gaga does belt "i'm bein' saved" at the end of Telephone, right?)

the idea of britney "being saved" with that half-gone voice of hers, processed as it is, is almost too funny to bear: she is literally being saved. by autotune.

god i'm being so mean. i love my brit. i'm actually getting a picture of her framed for my livin room tomorrow.

I think I've finally decided that my opinion of Lady Gaga is that The Fame sounds like it was written around the 3-4 hit singles, and the album tracks, while some like "Paper Gangster" stand out, just don't cut it. The Fame Monster doesn't have a bad track, and perhaps because it was an EP, it seems like the same energy and devotion that went into making The Fame's singles as tght as they were were used on each cut.

That boy is a moooooooooooooooonster

Completely agree. She's found her groove on The Fame Monster, whereas I'm hard pressed to find 5-6 great songs on her debut.

i don't even think paper gangsta was on The fame. if it were it would probably be my favorte. the "beautiful dirty rich" sound they were going for is hogwosh, but i remember liking "brown eyes." and i actually do like "eh, eh" a lot

Yeah, "Eh, Eh" is way up there for me. I need to give The Fame a few more spins to really make a faves list tho..

I had no idea that song was an international single until I saw the video on Fuse one day and I was like man I wish the U.S. got that instead of "LoveGame."

Ha, yeah, I first heard it on pop radio driving around in Bangalore and was like, woah, who is this? This is great! Was stuck in my head the entire day after hearing it once.

Whereas "Lovegame" was my friend's ringtone and I figured it was some trashy Europop thing of no interest whatsoever...when I actually found out it was Gaga it sort of delayed me in getting into her!

Paper Gangster is on The Fame, but on the Revised Edition. The original version which didn't include it wasn't released in the United States, and also had a song "Again Again" that we didn't have on ours.

Regarding "The Fame", I kinda like the rest of the album too, but I do agree that the first four tracks (i.e. the hit singles) are in a league of their own and that "The Fame Monster" is probably a more cohesive work. Which also means we have left to see her deliver an entire cohesive album as well.

But, with all the Madonna comparisions she is met with, I guess it should be added that "Madonna" is hardly a fully cohesive album either. That one is also first and foremost helped by the hits.

just heard 'bad romance' on something that wasn't a tinny TV or radio and the production is kinda massive. that low end!

But isn't today's music mixed/compressed to sound best on tinny TVs or radios (or, more like, mobile phone speakers)?

dunno, this sounds like it was made to sound awesome on awesome sound equipment

I've just decided that Alejandro > Bad Romance and may be even the best Gaga song. The bassline on the second verse alone is one of the most wonderful things in ages.

crazy

but true

Alejandro is a crappy "Life is Life" ripoff. I much prefer many other LGG songs.

Hmm, yeah there are some similarities, but by today's standards i think it would hardly qualify as a ripoff. An Ace of Base ripoff, possibly... still, nothing crappy about it.

Arguing the relative aesthetic merits of Lady Gaga singles seems almost criminally pointless, but (regardless of what you have "decided"), Alejandro is not even CLOSE to the best Lady Gaga track. It's a fact. Look it up.

I mean "Ally ally handro?" Really?

An Ace of Base ripoff, possibly... still, nothing crappy about it.

the two parts of this sentence do not go together!