Joanna Newsom - Have One On Me (RIP blogs)

I can't really speak for everyone, but it's more interesting for me when you write things like ^^^ than when you just copy/paste stories from other sites (especially when they've been posted already).

it wasn't already posted when i first started to compose my message, but i sincerely appreciate the feedback & will try to up my game

she usually comes off as really intelligent and open-minded, so it's just super weird to hear her say such reductive bullshit

lol what about her persona would give you any indication that she would be "open" to pop crap like Lady Gaga?!? her whole schtick is antithetical to that stuff

ksh clearly has a weird relationship with Newsom.

lol "Arty Spice"

I've read a lot of articles on her, and I don't recall ever reading anything where she criticizes pop music, although it's possible she has before. I'm sure part of my reaction comes from liking pop music a lot myself and being on ILX, where liking pop music is the norm, but I just find it really surprising that someone who's so smart and seemingly open-minded can be so dismissive about an entire genre of music. Of course, people are all the time, so I probably shouldn't be surprised, but I just am.

btw newsom otm imo

*dismisses entire genre of music*

xp lol i should say not in dismissing an entire genre of music (which she doesn't do in the quote ksh pulled) but specifically re: gaga

fwiw pop music fucking sucks

Her approach to image is really interesting, but you listen to the music, and you just hear glow sticks.

I'm probably painting with too broad a brush here, but I feel like her calling Gaga's music "just . . . glow sticks" is sort of dismissive of the music just because it's pop.

I have been posting here for over a fucking decade and I don't understand this pop music love bullshit

What does "just . . . glow sticks" even mean? It's a reductive "criticism" that isn't even interesting.

it means it sounds like the music you hear at a rave

i just think going there in a public forum makes you seem petty and renders your opinions in general less valuable

I don't understand this pop music love bullshit

old men enjoy pretending they're teenage girls

i just think going there in a public forum makes you seem petty and renders your opinions in general less valuable

this is OTM tho

tbf we are talking about the same person who described a beer as tasting like unicorn tears right?

I'm not surprised that she dismisses this stuff, more surprised that she felt it necessary to voice this opinion.

I hear that. but gaga sux and I would say somethin like that if someone asked.

I farted yesterday and the room smelled for like an hour

it means it sounds like the music you hear at a rave

Fair enough, but by saying Gaga's music is "just . . . glow sticks," you're being dismissive of her work without actually engaging with it at all, which is boring and says more about your own prejudices than the music itself.

It's not too far off from the people who call her own stuff "just some crazy lady singing pseudo-poetically about unicorns & making weird facial expressions while playing polyrhythms on a pedal harp."

article says she's a big fan of jay-z and kanye, so she isn't hating on all pop music

xpost -- Rolls off the tip of the tongue, that comment.

yea i totally agree with you ksh.

i fully support this and want more musicians to call each other out

esp. if it ends up in a confrontation decided by dance-off

GUY FROM WAVVES DOESN'T CARE FOR YOUNG MONEY

lololol

This whole thing is hilarious on so many levels.

lol that Joanna is somehow more grown-up music than Lady Gaga btw

i inevitably think comments like this sound like a young girl complaining about her older sister who gets all the attention

lol that Joanna is somehow more grown-up music than Lady Gaga btw

? did anyone actually say this?

yes

I don't understand this pop music love bullshit

old men enjoy pretending they're teenage girls

weirdly you were the one who said it

Also, here:

My problem isn't actually with Lady Gaga. But there's not much in her music to distinguish it from other glossy, formulaic pop. [. . .]And, meanwhile, she seems to take herself so oddly seriously, the way she talks about her music in the third person, like she's Brecht or something.

Yeah, part of her problem is with certain people's reception of Gaga's image and music, but it's also pretty clear her problem is also with Lady Gaga herself, or at least how Gaga thinks of her own image and music.

postin w/ mordy and ilxor

I don't understand this pop music love bullshit

old men enjoy pretending they're teenage girls

um, this statement makes no reference to Joanna Newsom

FYI

(I don't give two shits for the music of anyone involved in this "dispute", as I've said already)

i think that a lot of ppl who are pop fans in gen. felt like this abt gaga (including ppl who have come around) its pretty dumb to go complaining to p4k about the top forty to me, but i mean the misalignment btween rhetoric and actual music in terms of artistic aspirations has never exactly gone away w/ gaga even if its not something im that pushed abt anymore.

Another reason I bristle at that quote is because I don't see why Lady Gaga shouldn't be able to talk about her music "in the third person, like she's Brecht or something." It's part of her persona! She's a pop star! I feel like part of Newsom's problem with Gaga is that she thinks Gaga thinks of herself as a "real artist" instead of "just a pop star," while Newsom thinks Gaga clearly belongs in the latter category. The part that's really irritating is that it's also pretty evident Newsom places herself in the former category.

"i'm an artist, you're arty spice"

its pretty dumb to go complaining to p4k about the top forty to me

For what it's worth, P4k was just quoting an interview w/ her that was published in the Guardian.

whatever, i don't know that the joanna newsom thread needs to be contaminated with another discussion on lady gaga's artistry, though

but yea, the indie-kid rags on top-40 thing definitely doesn't win anybody brownie points for intelligence

I am far more interested in Newsom's reaction to Gaga here than in whether or not Gaga deserves to be called "an artist."

right, that's what i thought, i'm just trying to keep it that way :)

Newsom dissing Lady Gaga strikes me a lot like the theoryheads in my department dissing the theater/dance people for not being theoretical/intellectual enough. Like, it's more cliquey than anything about indie v. pop or anything like that. Or maybe it's just success jealousy. It's hard for me to take Newsom's claim seriously that she's a real artist and Lady Gaga isn't, tho. They're both basically pop artists.

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