Loaded vs. American Beauty

ew yeah - Without A Net is pretty sad, although Feel Like a Stranger and Help->Slipknot->Franklin's are great.

it's just that I make a habit of, every few years, checking out something I think I hate to see if I feel differently about it. I recommend this to all music-lovers because there are a lot of dumb reasons for not liking stuff (social cues, meaningless bias, breadth/range of experience i.e. there's stuff that you want to have heard a lot of other stuff before it'll make much sense). and your ears change, your tastes mature or grow or shift, anyway.

So tremendously OTM. This is the entire story of my last decade as a music freak.

Loaded is my favorite VU album, and I don't care much for the Dead, so...

underrated aerosmith albums has been all over the money on this thread; American Beauty is seriously fucking good. "In the Attics of My Life" could have been on Pet Sounds and that's like the eight best song on this album.

to, me if you were going to pit AB against another 1970 album, the obvious choice (besides Workingman's Dead which I don't like as much) would be After the Gold Rush.

(for instance, both contain throwaway ditties about the coming of morning)

as much as i love neil, after the goldrush has never been one of my favorite records of his. AB pretty much crushes it. i think the gilded palace of sin is maybe the only record being discussed on this thread i genuinely connect with/love more than AB.

1970 album poll would be hella difficult. Didn't Starsailor and Lick My Decals off come out that year too? Monster Movie (or was that 69)?

byrds are fantastic (tho obviously a few rough spots). Clarence White-era has some indispensable stuff. anyone wanting to be convinced should get that Royal Albert Hall show that was released a few years back.

― tylerw, Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:16 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^ this, btw, is OTM. clarence is a god.

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yeah, there's so much 1970 gold...Funhouse, Parachute, Band of Gypsies, Plastic Ono Band

Funkadelic debut too. 1970 was a great year

soundtracks wz 70...

1970 is one of my favourite years...

Fun House
After the Gold Rush
American Beauty
Workingman's Dead
Yeti
Soundtracks
Black Sabbath
Paranoid
Funkadelic
Free Your Mind and Your Ass Will Follow
Led Zep III
Lick My Decals Off
Moondance
Morrison Hotel
Let It Be
Kiln House
Starsailor (still uninitiated as far as Tim Buckley goes)

^plus the other ones Brio said

oh and Loaded duh

What in the world ever happened to became of sweet Jane

― tylerw, Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

wasn't Bitches Brew 70 too? crazy year

Look at that fucking list!!! My birth year = best rock year EVAR?

What do you mean by uninitiated re: starsailor, btw?

"I like some Byrds stuff but their catalog just seems like such a mess, its difficult to wade through"

start with the first byrds album and go from there!

or preflyte

haven't heard any Buckley...:(

lots i forgot too re: 1970

Cosmo's Factory
All Things Must Pass
Layla
James Gang Rides Again
Deep Purple in Rock
Soft Machine Third
Nico's Desertshore
first Magma album
first Third Ear Band album
Blows Against the Empire
Osmium
Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus
Lorca
Divina Comedia ou Ando Meio Desligado
The Madcap Laughs
The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other
H to He Who Am the Only One

(admittedly, past the Deep Purple I started to list albums I wanted to hear instead of actually have heard, but theyre all ones I legitimately really want to hear)
Just Another Diamond Day

Wait-- jeez-- did Buckley release Lorca, Starsailor and Blue Afternoon all in 1970? That is some anno mirabilis shit right there...

blue afternoon was released in 1970, according to wiki, though all three albums were developed simultaneously.

blue afternoon was released in1969

What a fucking cool trilogy. Each LP so distinct from the others. Shame 2/3 of it has been OOP for like 20 years.

Til the Morning Comes may be a throwaway ditty, but it really pops.

What kind of people are big VU fans? Seriously. I never understood the appeal. That being said Loaded is probably their best album because it has the most poppy radio type songs. Also, I don't get the appeal of much Lou Reed stuff

yeah it's all a matter of taste BUT YER TASTE IS WEIRD

i'm a big VU fan

yeah, i am too.

i don't know what kind of people this makes me though.

our taste is weird

I like this music stuff

I listen to metal machine music for fun

I know yr just trolling Lorax but... well, are there any other bands that make you ask that question? do these bands have anything in common? what does that say about your own tastes?

I mean I'm a huge fan of a lot of bands (A LOT), VU are just one of them.

i don't think i've ever played the whole thing. MMM. i should sometime.

Other bands: Nick Cave, The Fall, Joy Division and Elliot Smith

hmm Elliot Smith seems like the odd man out there

cuz Cave, Reed, Smith, and Curtis all share certain vocal commonalities

Xp: Change Elliot to Tom Waits then

I guess my problem is mostly the vocals.

kinda atonal, declamatory, unconventional approach to singing/being a frontman. is this something that bothers you? Cave and Reed especially have their sweet, more conventional balladeer moments

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I think you left out Captain Beefheart

fall fan holding ppl to vocal standards lol

lorax: you are baffled by the same bands as I am (except Waits and the Velvet Underground)! We are like bros of confusion!

No Edward, he is baffled by The Fall. He's a King Crimson fan who holds all those bands to vocal standards, which is a little lol but in a diff way. (I do <3 Wetton and Lake's voices)

ok, I get it, he doesn't like rock n roll

I don't think you can explain music in a way that will make people like it, not really... but surely it should be obvious that part of these guys' appeal to other people is that they DON'T conform to typical singer standards, that they have each developed their own strange diction/vocabulary/style in order to make a tool of what would otherwise be a physical limitation.

Vocal standards are sooo subjective. But I like to think that if you grouped people by what vocals they like and dislike and come up with some sort of spectrum with two vocal standards as opposites, the people on either end of the spectrum would have significantly different personality traits.

I guess I don't really have vocal standards. I mean I like all those guys (well, Nick Cave probably the least), but I also like a lot of conventionally pretty singers - I mean the Beach Boys are like ALL TIME gods to me. same with Mavis Staples. what does that say about me

i used to dig tom waits and i can't listen to him anymore. he's too waitsian. same with nick cave! i just can't listen to it. if the mercy seat came on the radio i wouldn't turn it off, but, man, i really can't take those dudes now.

yeah I don't think they're bad but I rarely dig that stuff out. I'm just not in the mood mostly.

the tortured, drunken melodrama mood

might feel differently if some horrible tragedy befell me tbh