Loaded vs. American Beauty

What kind of people are big VU fans? Seriously. I never understood the appeal. That being said Loaded is probably their best album because it has the most poppy radio type songs. Also, I don't get the appeal of much Lou Reed stuff

yeah it's all a matter of taste BUT YER TASTE IS WEIRD

i'm a big VU fan

yeah, i am too.

i don't know what kind of people this makes me though.

our taste is weird

I like this music stuff

I listen to metal machine music for fun

I know yr just trolling Lorax but... well, are there any other bands that make you ask that question? do these bands have anything in common? what does that say about your own tastes?

I mean I'm a huge fan of a lot of bands (A LOT), VU are just one of them.

i don't think i've ever played the whole thing. MMM. i should sometime.

Other bands: Nick Cave, The Fall, Joy Division and Elliot Smith

hmm Elliot Smith seems like the odd man out there

cuz Cave, Reed, Smith, and Curtis all share certain vocal commonalities

Xp: Change Elliot to Tom Waits then

I guess my problem is mostly the vocals.

kinda atonal, declamatory, unconventional approach to singing/being a frontman. is this something that bothers you? Cave and Reed especially have their sweet, more conventional balladeer moments

xp

I think you left out Captain Beefheart

fall fan holding ppl to vocal standards lol

lorax: you are baffled by the same bands as I am (except Waits and the Velvet Underground)! We are like bros of confusion!

No Edward, he is baffled by The Fall. He's a King Crimson fan who holds all those bands to vocal standards, which is a little lol but in a diff way. (I do <3 Wetton and Lake's voices)

ok, I get it, he doesn't like rock n roll

I don't think you can explain music in a way that will make people like it, not really... but surely it should be obvious that part of these guys' appeal to other people is that they DON'T conform to typical singer standards, that they have each developed their own strange diction/vocabulary/style in order to make a tool of what would otherwise be a physical limitation.

Vocal standards are sooo subjective. But I like to think that if you grouped people by what vocals they like and dislike and come up with some sort of spectrum with two vocal standards as opposites, the people on either end of the spectrum would have significantly different personality traits.

I guess I don't really have vocal standards. I mean I like all those guys (well, Nick Cave probably the least), but I also like a lot of conventionally pretty singers - I mean the Beach Boys are like ALL TIME gods to me. same with Mavis Staples. what does that say about me

i used to dig tom waits and i can't listen to him anymore. he's too waitsian. same with nick cave! i just can't listen to it. if the mercy seat came on the radio i wouldn't turn it off, but, man, i really can't take those dudes now.

yeah I don't think they're bad but I rarely dig that stuff out. I'm just not in the mood mostly.

the tortured, drunken melodrama mood

might feel differently if some horrible tragedy befell me tbh

'Too Waitsian'

Bingo! This is exactly why I can't listen to him any more either. I tried to bring the magic back about 3 years ago and it just wouldn't take.

well, it's a schtick like any other

that tom waits lyrics thread on ilm might be my favorite thread of all time. sheer genius.

"I tried to bring the magic back about 3 years ago and it just wouldn't take."

my last stab at it was buying those two vinyl albums that came out at the same time. blood money and alice.it was torture.

great record covers though.

Tom Waits & Nick Cave: I've only had one album of each and I think I've listened to both maybe once. Neither of them clicked. But I don't think I'll ever get over The Fall.

Go figure.

Smith's stuff is a good deal denser than Waits or Cave imho, he's a little more inscrutable. also funnier.

But I like to think that if you grouped people by what vocals they like and dislike and come up with some sort of spectrum with two vocal standards as opposites, the people on either end of the spectrum would have significantly different personality traits.

On what grounds do you think this?

Hongro's Law iirc

Xp

Maybe I'd do multiple spectrums on different grounds tbh. Plus I would go ahead and do statistical tests on stuff besides vocals... I'm generally interested in the relationship of various music genres/traits and different aspects of personality (openness and neuroticness for example)

100% of insane people love the beatles in my experience

I think you have a lot of work in front of you Cap'n

I'll be the 1st to admit it: I despise "good" singers. They tend to come across as a bit precious & pretentious. 'You were born to rock, you'll never be an opera star.' I like Waits, Cave, Smith, Reed, etc much better.

I'm deeply saddened by the tragic tale of somebody buying Alice & Blood Money in hopes they would re-ignite the Tom Waits spark. For my money they rank - oh, Last & Even-Laster-Last on the Waits list. I can't think of anything since, or even a bit before that that's not superior to those clunkers. Mule Variations is straight-up amazing. Real Gone is really interesting, emphasizing tuned percussion EVEN MORE than Tom usually does. But yeah - Alice & Blood Money stink.

82% of jerks like the Dead

I'm totally serious tho, worked in mental health for a decade and a half. Go onto any long-term psych ward and put on a Beatles record. See what happens. It's like magic. Somebody should commission a study about it.

100% of chill bros love CCR

2% of uptight Norwegians enjoy Ice Cube

50% of insane people love Half Man Half Biscuit

100% of terminal wards will yell at you if you try to get them into Merzbow, also

wait what is this thread about again

http://www.onlinemovieguru.com/images/movies/loaded.jpg
vs.
http://www.energyenhancement.org/testimonial_pics/AB_poster_big.jpg

tbh they're both terrible

that poster says "look closer" because if you stare at the belly button long enough it looks like the face from that one edvard munch painting btw just fyi

ok, I get it, he doesn't like rock n roll

I know you were kidding but I do think it's a bit interesting when some people identify a particular sort of (broadly) post-Dylan (or post-punk) non-singing as being more authentically "rock and roll", considering that people like Elvis Presley or Jerry Lee Lewis or doo-wop groups had much more vocal technique. (Not saying they sang like Jon Anderson or Greg Lake either, mind.)