i'm a big VU fan
― tylerw, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, i am too.
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't know what kind of people this makes me though.
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link
our taste is weird
― tylerw, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I like this music stuff
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I listen to metal machine music for fun
― (e_3) (Edward III), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I know yr just trolling Lorax but... well, are there any other bands that make you ask that question? do these bands have anything in common? what does that say about your own tastes?
I mean I'm a huge fan of a lot of bands (A LOT), VU are just one of them.
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't think i've ever played the whole thing. MMM. i should sometime.
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Other bands: Nick Cave, The Fall, Joy Division and Elliot Smith
― CaptainLorax, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm Elliot Smith seems like the odd man out there
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link
cuz Cave, Reed, Smith, and Curtis all share certain vocal commonalities
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Xp: Change Elliot to Tom Waits then
I guess my problem is mostly the vocals.
― CaptainLorax, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link
kinda atonal, declamatory, unconventional approach to singing/being a frontman. is this something that bothers you? Cave and Reed especially have their sweet, more conventional balladeer moments
xp
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link
I think you left out Captain Beefheart
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
fall fan holding ppl to vocal standards lol
― (e_3) (Edward III), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link
lorax: you are baffled by the same bands as I am (except Waits and the Velvet Underground)! We are like bros of confusion!
― ljagljana (kkvgz), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link
No Edward, he is baffled by The Fall. He's a King Crimson fan who holds all those bands to vocal standards, which is a little lol but in a diff way. (I do <3 Wetton and Lake's voices)
― Is it far? Is it far? Is it far? (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link
ok, I get it, he doesn't like rock n roll
― (e_3) (Edward III), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think you can explain music in a way that will make people like it, not really... but surely it should be obvious that part of these guys' appeal to other people is that they DON'T conform to typical singer standards, that they have each developed their own strange diction/vocabulary/style in order to make a tool of what would otherwise be a physical limitation.
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Vocal standards are sooo subjective. But I like to think that if you grouped people by what vocals they like and dislike and come up with some sort of spectrum with two vocal standards as opposites, the people on either end of the spectrum would have significantly different personality traits.
― CaptainLorax, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess I don't really have vocal standards. I mean I like all those guys (well, Nick Cave probably the least), but I also like a lot of conventionally pretty singers - I mean the Beach Boys are like ALL TIME gods to me. same with Mavis Staples. what does that say about me
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
i used to dig tom waits and i can't listen to him anymore. he's too waitsian. same with nick cave! i just can't listen to it. if the mercy seat came on the radio i wouldn't turn it off, but, man, i really can't take those dudes now.
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah I don't think they're bad but I rarely dig that stuff out. I'm just not in the mood mostly.
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
the tortured, drunken melodrama mood
might feel differently if some horrible tragedy befell me tbh
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link
'Too Waitsian'
Bingo! This is exactly why I can't listen to him any more either. I tried to bring the magic back about 3 years ago and it just wouldn't take.
― Is it far? Is it far? Is it far? (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link
well, it's a schtick like any other
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link
that tom waits lyrics thread on ilm might be my favorite thread of all time. sheer genius.
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link
"I tried to bring the magic back about 3 years ago and it just wouldn't take."
my last stab at it was buying those two vinyl albums that came out at the same time. blood money and alice.it was torture.
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
great record covers though.
Tom Waits & Nick Cave: I've only had one album of each and I think I've listened to both maybe once. Neither of them clicked. But I don't think I'll ever get over The Fall.
Go figure.
― The masses have spoken: more zombie Roy Orbison! (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Smith's stuff is a good deal denser than Waits or Cave imho, he's a little more inscrutable. also funnier.
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
But I like to think that if you grouped people by what vocals they like and dislike and come up with some sort of spectrum with two vocal standards as opposites, the people on either end of the spectrum would have significantly different personality traits.
On what grounds do you think this?
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Hongro's Law iirc
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Xp
Maybe I'd do multiple spectrums on different grounds tbh. Plus I would go ahead and do statistical tests on stuff besides vocals... I'm generally interested in the relationship of various music genres/traits and different aspects of personality (openness and neuroticness for example)
― CaptainLorax, Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link
100% of insane people love the beatles in my experience
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I think you have a lot of work in front of you Cap'n
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I'll be the 1st to admit it: I despise "good" singers. They tend to come across as a bit precious & pretentious. 'You were born to rock, you'll never be an opera star.' I like Waits, Cave, Smith, Reed, etc much better.
I'm deeply saddened by the tragic tale of somebody buying Alice & Blood Money in hopes they would re-ignite the Tom Waits spark. For my money they rank - oh, Last & Even-Laster-Last on the Waits list. I can't think of anything since, or even a bit before that that's not superior to those clunkers. Mule Variations is straight-up amazing. Real Gone is really interesting, emphasizing tuned percussion EVEN MORE than Tom usually does. But yeah - Alice & Blood Money stink.
― ImprovSpirit, Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
82% of jerks like the Dead
I'm totally serious tho, worked in mental health for a decade and a half. Go onto any long-term psych ward and put on a Beatles record. See what happens. It's like magic. Somebody should commission a study about it.
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
100% of chill bros love CCR
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
2% of uptight Norwegians enjoy Ice Cube
50% of insane people love Half Man Half Biscuit
― CaptainLorax, Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
100% of terminal wards will yell at you if you try to get them into Merzbow, also
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
wait what is this thread about again
― Here is a tasty coconut. Sorry for my earlier harshness. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.onlinemovieguru.com/images/movies/loaded.jpgvs. http://www.energyenhancement.org/testimonial_pics/AB_poster_big.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
tbh they're both terrible
that poster says "look closer" because if you stare at the belly button long enough it looks like the face from that one edvard munch painting btw just fyi
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I know you were kidding but I do think it's a bit interesting when some people identify a particular sort of (broadly) post-Dylan (or post-punk) non-singing as being more authentically "rock and roll", considering that people like Elvis Presley or Jerry Lee Lewis or doo-wop groups had much more vocal technique. (Not saying they sang like Jon Anderson or Greg Lake either, mind.)
― Sundar, Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
i need to get a copy of american beauty only heard it a couple of times
― i saw a necromancer at the buffalo wild wings in west st. paul (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 20 May 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link